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User currently offlineERAUMcDlover From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

I'm moving from MCI to DAB to begin college in a couple weeks and i was wondering if anyone knew the best way to ship my belongings. Would it be a good idea to ship them on delta, the flight is serviced with a MD-88 and a couple CRJ's per day. i'm on the 88 from MCI to ATL, and another 88 from ATL-DAB, i probably have enough to fill an LD2 and i have no clue how i should go about inquiring about this matter, no matter how much i know about aviation and planes etc. any help is appreciated greatly.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Delta Dash. But you need an account, you can't just walk up to the ticket counter for security reasons and ship something.

http://www.delta.com/business_progra...ucts_services/delta_dash/index.jsp



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Looks like the answer might be that they can do it for you, how much the cost will be, only they can answer.
http://www.delta.com/business_progra...vices/domestic_shipments/index.jsp

Edit:
Drat, beaten to it!!  Smile

[Edited 2005-08-14 03:51:42]


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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Unless money is no object, I'd sure start looking for another alternative. Shipping that amount of cargo on a regularly scheduled passenger flight is not going to be cheap. A freight forwarding service or moving service, perhaps?

But an LD2's worth of stuff is going to cost no matter what you do.

Good luck.



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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

how about UPS ground? why would you spend that kind of money?

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 4):
how about UPS ground? why would you spend that kind of money?

You should consider that. It doesn't take that long at all (few days at most) and is MUCH cheaper.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 4):
how about UPS ground?

That's a good point. UPS SonicAir is the best route less than 24 hours round the world mechanism, which could use these coveted DL flights that ERAUMcDlover mentions.

https://www.sonicair.ups.com/ups/

[Edited 2005-08-14 04:41:51]


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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4219 times:
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Quoting B4real (Reply 6):



Quoting B4real (Reply 6):
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 4):
how about UPS ground?

That's a good point. UPS SonicAir is the best route less than 24 hours round the world mechanism, which could use these coveted DL flights that ERAUMcDlover mentions.

https://www.sonicair.ups.com/ups/

Any way you go about it, if you're going to ship it freight in some way (other than a "package service" like UPS or Fedex) you're going to want to first box everything. Pack it VERY well, with sufficient packing materials to protect against a good shock.

Then pile all the boxes on a wooden shipping pallet. Wrap the WHOLE THING several times over in plastic shrink wrap, then strap the whole mess onto the pallet from both directions, securely.

Now pick the air-freight forwarder of your choice, take the pallet to them, and off it goes.

You can ship 2-300 lbs air-freight (2-3 day delivery) for around $180.

- litz

(who's done this many times with video games and pinball machines)


User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Cheapest would be DHL or Fedex Ground. UPS is always the most expensive carrier versus DHL/Fedex, and they're usually slower too (1 extra day for ground operations to most locations than DHL or Fedex for example).

I once checked rates under Delta Connection's cargo service, to my surprise they offered fairly cheap rates (It wouldent be worth it if your sending small parcels - But I checked large packages like 80+ pounds and the rates were pretty cheap)

The only thing is...keep in mind you'll have to drop it off at the airport, and pick it up at the airport (thats if you choose an airline for shipping). I suppose this wont be a problem if you're going there anyways, though I thought i'd mention it if you planned on sending it before you depart MCI or arrive in DAB.

Direct link to Deltas rate quote system:

http://etraccargo.interlink-data.com...booking/onlinebooking/rateinq.aspx

Since Continental also flys to DAB (along with MCI)...you might also want to check into them too:

http://www.cocargo.com/cocargo/

Get Continental Container rates ( or bulk shipment rates) here:

http://www.cocargo.com/cocargo/tariffs/Domestic%20Rates.pdf

I compared rates with these companies from Kansas City, MO to Daytona Beach, FL.

I used: 1 Package, 80 Pounds, 30x30x30, Contents " Baggage "

Just used it as an estimate.

Continental "EH" Container Bulk Rate = $70.00
Continental "E" Container Bulk Rate = $118.00
Continental "LD3" Container Bulk Rate = $450.00
Continental "LD7" Container Bulk Rate = $1345.00

Delta's Dash Same Day Service = $137.63

Fedex Standard Overnight = $425.75
Fedex Ground = (About) $80.00

For what its worth though...i'd spend the extra cash and ship it via air. Its *Much* safer that it sits in the belly of an aircraft untouched by humans for most of its journey...then passing through several conveyer belts at numerous hubs across the country.

Your best option, even though i'm not sure how much your taking with you, is probably:

#1 - Continentals " Bulk E Container ". If you can fit everything into this: then there you go. As to how they'll fit that onto any of their planes in MCI/DAB (ERJ's, 737s, etc.) I have no idea (maybe contract with Kitty Hawk/UPS/Fedex, etc. to carry containers?), but...well, I guess somehow they do it since they offer the service.

#2 - Delta's Dash Service if the E container is too small or you need multiple parcels that, in the end, wont all completely fit into the container.

I was so close to being in the same boat you are right now. I'm going to college in 3 weeks, and was accepted at ERAU and planned on going there (I live in Michigan) this fall...and already checked shipping rates long ago (hence i'm familiar with the above). Though I changed my mind at the last minute and i'm staying in Michigan (going to Eastern-Michigan University) so one of the things I no longer have to worry about is trying to ship all of my items down to DAB.

Good luck, let us know how it goes  Wink



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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 7):
Now pick the air-freight forwarder of your choice, take the pallet to them, and off it goes.

You can ship 2-300 lbs air-freight (2-3 day delivery) for around $180.

Thats another good idea - though theres a couple problems. How would a college student haul a pallet to a freight forwarder, as he probably doesnt have a large enough vehicle (I suppose he could rent a U-Haul truck, but that costs extra money)...but then he doesnt have a fork-lift to lift the pallet...lol.

Some freight companies do offer pickup service I believe.

Another thing that sucks though is that... if its "Air-Freight" (2-3 days), it typically doesnt travel by air. Usually it'll be 70-80% ground, then a small portion by air. Since this is MCI-DAB, i'd be willing to bet it'd be 3 days, all ground. Companies call it "air-freight" but love to cut corners and ship it by ground as long as it gets there the day its supposed to (Very good example = UPS). It drives me nuts when they do that. Its like paying for First Class and get stuck with Coach. You pay for air but its shipped ground. UPS/DHL do that quite often, UPS more than anyone though. Fedex Express, rarely (probably because their ground operations are completely seperated from Express).

[Edited 2005-08-14 11:01:06]


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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

I wouldn't bother with the express parcel carriers, grab the yellow pages and contact a freight forwarder, they will collect and deliver.


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User currently offlineERAUMcDlover From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

thanks for all the great posts. i'm going to get this all finalized tomorrow. that "E" container looks just about the right size. man, thats crazy you could've been going to school with me, and stayed in Michigan, its hard leaving home, i give you that. i can get pallets though, i work for the largest food distributor in the midwest, Associated Wholesale Grocers, all i do all day long is drive around with pallets and fill grocery orders, so pallets ironically are not a problem. i do not have a vehicle big enough, or a forklift at my house though....but i'm going to look into that e container. so you guys think that that would be brought to DAB from MCI, and then what, use the airport shuttle to go across to the ERAU campus, seriously.....that could work....


DL, what a classy lady....Mad Dogs...a classy plane.....USA...just the best all around
User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

You've got to be kidding. Go to Penske, UHaul, whatever and rent a truck and drive it there. You're not moving overseas.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

When i was in college, and i was as poor as dirt, i shipping my stuff via Grayhound Bus Lines. MUCH less expansive than by air.


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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Quoting ERAUMcDlover (Reply 11):
thanks for all the great posts. i'm going to get this all finalized tomorrow. that "E" container looks just about the right size. man, thats crazy you could've been going to school with me, and stayed in Michigan, its hard leaving home, i give you that. i can get pallets though, i work for the largest food distributor in the midwest, Associated Wholesale Grocers, all i do all day long is drive around with pallets and fill grocery orders, so pallets ironically are not a problem. i do not have a vehicle big enough, or a forklift at my house though....but i'm going to look into that e container. so you guys think that that would be brought to DAB from MCI, and then what, use the airport shuttle to go across to the ERAU campus, seriously.....that could work....

lol yeah that is kind of weird. But hey...theres probably many many students who are looking into the same thing right now, they just dont know of airliners.net  Wink

It'll be very hard leaving home for me since I like it so much. 99.9% of all of my family members live in Michigan, except one who lives in California. I'd be the sole lone rider down in Florida far far away from anyone I know. Now that i'm staying in Michigan i'm a measely 2hours max away from everyone (except the relative in California of course) which is a big plus. Those were just some of the reasons why I switched from ERAU to Emich.

The cool thing about the "E" container is that at least you wont have to haul this massive crate/pallet/container everywhere. You pack a lot of small/medium/large packages (Lets say you had 12 boxes, each was 18x18x18 for example) then just take them to the airport and the airline will place them in the "E" container. Once it gets to DAB, no problem, they'll unload it and you wont have to take this massive load at first. You can just grab whatever you can (if you have car for instance) and stick it in the back seat and trunk. Haul it back to your dorm room, unload, then go back to DAB, collect the rest and you're all set.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 12):
You've got to be kidding. Go to Penske, UHaul, whatever and rent a truck and drive it there. You're not moving overseas.

If that was me...I wouldent want to drive across the country at age 18, especially riding in a huge U-Haul that probably 99.9% of 18 year olds have never driven anything of such size. Then there are plenty of other costs involved. Renting the truck, hotel stays, gas prices, and so on, in the end it'd probably be the same price as the Continental E container or Delta's Dash. Plus he already booked airline tickets from MCI-DAB so that option is already impossible.



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User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Don't bother with the airlines, they are not allowed to not accept any freight from "walk-in" customers off the street. You or your company need to be listed as "known shippers" by the TSA. (unless your shipment is less than 16 oz) Of course if any one out there just walked into an airline's freight office (as an unknown shipper) and were allowed to ship, I'd like to hear about it. (so I can pass it on to the TSA!!)

Freight forwarders are subject to the same rules unless they are not shipping on a passenger airline.

In addition to the fedex/ups type companies, I'd also check out the rates offered by some of the moving companies. I don't know if they're rates would be reasonable, but it's worth checking out.


User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Warsawa,

I noticed that the photo under "Continental's Bulk E container" is actually a Delta LD-2 container. The LD-2 was originally developed for the thinner cargo pit of the 767 (thinner when compared to the 747/DC10). It also can ride on a 777.

An E container is a large cardboard box measuring roughly 36x24x24. The airlines generally don't provide them. The E and it's smaller brother, the EH, are used mostly for perishable shipments.

Also, the ULD (Unit Load Devices) rates you quoted are kind of misleading. A shipper would pay the same ULD rate for his LD2 if the contents weighed 100 LBS or 2,500 LBS (about the max weight of an LD2). The shipper is buying the container space on the flight, regardless of weight. The LD7, while seemingly expensive, can be very cost effective when loaded to the max of about 10,000 LBS. These rates are also for "shipper loaded" containers. If the airline loads a container for you, the bulk rate applies (more $$). Of course not all routes can support these containers, you'd need a widebody aircraft or a truck service.

The big question is...Why am I talking shop on my day off???


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6119 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Go to your local airport cargo office and see if any of the airlines have any cardboard E or EH containers left by consignees. These are both managable sizes. They will be a little beat up, but still useable.


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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4011 times:
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On the freight-forwarders front, note that most freight that goes long distance across the US actually travels by *train*, not truck ... they load up those cargo containers, put 'em on a mixed-container train, and off they go.

Usually the conveyor-belt sorting only happens at the beginning and end of the trip (unless you're talking ups/fedex packages).

And conveyors are never used for pallets - those are still sorted by people driving forklifts.

- litz


User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Just do what I do and ship it Via USPS, FEDEX, or UPS.

-Adam


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3964 times:
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I shipped a cat once on Delta Dash without an account. My mom was watching my brother's cat while he was serving overseas. When he returned, he was not able to find work in his field in Arizona, and instead moved to Boston. He asked for his cat back, so I put the cat into a carrier and went to the airport. They made me buy a new carrier, but they were more than willing to ship it.


Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
You should consider that. It doesn't take that long at all (few days at most) and is MUCH cheaper.

And half of your boxes will be destroyed, seriously everytime something came into the store that I used to work at when UPS came, half of the boxes would be destroyed and soaking wet.

As for me, what little I cant take, im shipping to UND (which i founda much better and much cheaper option the ERAU, and I get more education in other things) anyway, im shipping Via. Northwest Cargo.



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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Quoting DouglasDC8 (Reply 16):
I noticed that the photo under "Continental's Bulk E container" is actually a Delta LD-2 container.

Hmm ok...I searched on Googles Images under "Airline E Container" and thats what came up. I used a few other different keywords for an E container and an ANA container came up (same size as the Delta one).

Quoting DouglasDC8 (Reply 16):
Also, the ULD (Unit Load Devices) rates you quoted are kind of misleading.

Just posting some examples from the pdf document

Quoting Litz (Reply 18):
And conveyors are never used for pallets - those are still sorted by people driving forklifts.

lol thats pretty obvious, that'd be one hell of a huge conveyor belt (and thick too), though I was referring to UPS/DHL/Fedex etc.

Well ERAUMcDlover...still plenty of options and many good suggestions in this thread  Wink



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offlineSquad55 From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Burnsie28

UPS delivers millions of pkgs daily.. They rarely get smashed by our employees. You have to look at the shipper pkging the box. All boxes in the UPS system should have tape on all sides of the package. Do you see shippers doing this? No, usually it's one strip on the top of the box for a 40lbs box, and then the shipper is surprised the box failed. When is the last time anyone looked at box crush tests??

There is no UPS AIR SERVICE. Nowhere in the UPS service guide does it say that EXPRESS, EXPED. pkgs flow via AIR only. Yes in the U.S. there is a combination of air and ground movements, but this is one of the reasons why we've been in business for 98 years (aug 28th). We know efficiency.


User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

HZ737400,

Live animal shipments are exempt from the "known shipper" rule. That's why people off the street can ship animals.

Warszawa,

I hope my comments didn't come across as mean spirited, they were not ment to be.


25 ERAUMcDlover : i've been waiting and waiting to get onto airliners.net, and then i decided that if i was moving, then i should tap this resource which i spend so muc
26 SATX : I was just imagining pallets tumbling down a giant conveyor. Too funny! Enter the animatronic bomb-cat.
27 Post contains images Warszawa : Sonic Air Same Day Flight / Next Day Air / Next Day Air Saver / 2nd Day Air Well, thats why when I ship air, I use Fedex Express. I ship probably 1-6
28 Post contains images Warszawa : Sorry about the huge post above (and a couple other large posts) - When i'm interested in a topic I kind of get caught up in the moment...ehh
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