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Cypriot Plane Crash  
User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 48458 times:

According to Sky News,a Cypriot aircraft with 121 pax is in trouble over Greece.

No other details as yet.

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User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 48446 times:

Apparently it has crashed north of Athens with 110 pax on board.

Still nothing on the net news sites yet.


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3622 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 48341 times:

Apparently it was a Helios aircraft flight to Larnaka and crashed near Oropos. The news report that the pilot (the captain?) died shortly before the crash!

User currently offlineHARLEYF150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 48328 times:

It is believed to be a Helios 737 reports indicate the pilot had collapsed

User currently offlineBSU747 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 48276 times:

Some info here

http://www.africasia.com/services/ne...ast&item=050814092214.klte5x74.php

Cypriot plane with 121 on board crashes in Greece
A Cypriot airliner with 121 people on board from Larnaca, Cyprus, crashed Sunday on a mountain on the Euboea peninsula, northeast of Athens, a traffic controller at Athens international airport told

Just before the crash, an airport official said the plane appeared to be flying pilotless.

"The airport lost all contact with the plane which should have landed in the late morning, and two air force planes sent up in reconaissance found it flying above the Euboea peninsula, but they saw the pilots doubled up in the cabin," Iannis Pantazaratos said.

"We do not know how the plane is flying. It is being escorted by the military planes and the airport is in a state of emergency," said Pantazaratos, traffic control chief at Athens airport.

The Helios airlines plane was reported to be carrying 115 passengers and six crew.



Flying may not be all plain sailing, but the fun of it is worth the price.
User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 48111 times:

Reuters is saying the same, very vague just now though. Surely if the pilot did collapse the other one would take over? Lets hope for a similar outcome to the recent incidents, ie many people surviving.

Gaz



Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47899 times:

It was reported that the pilots are death and no body is in the cockpit. The aircraft is surrounded by air force jets who can look into the cockpit and the 737 is flying near Athens at the moment. God bless to them, hopefully the cabin crew has the code to access the cockpit.


Fly easyJet
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47765 times:

The a/c obviously crashed into a mountain. That does not sound like many survivors...  Sad

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47732 times:

Horrible news!  Sad

How very sad, any news on survivors yet?



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47729 times:
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AP is reporting 115 passengers.

MSNBC/AP: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8944885/

-Charlie


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47661 times:

Yeah, has been reported that the aircraft is crashed into a mountain while escorted from F-16 fighters.


Fly easyJet
User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47624 times:

Sounds like a cabin decompression...the crew was just not quick enough to don their oxygen masks, or one of them was not wearing it.

Chances are the rest on board were knocked out as well.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47597 times:

Seems like it was on a Larnaca-Athens-Prague flight. According to Helios's schedules that flight would be operated with 5B-DBY, their only B737-300.


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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47580 times:
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Any idea if this was a -300 or -800?

-Charlie


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47520 times:

115 Pax, 6 Crew  

RIP to all of them..

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:00:32]

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47483 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 10):
Yeah, has been reported that the aircraft is crashed into a mountain while escorted from F-16 fighters.

That must be one of the worst things that a fighter pilot can get to see these days - escorting an aircraft only to see if fly towards a mountain with nothing you can do... awful.

This month is turning into a very bad one for aviation.

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47474 times:

Helios Airways

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4150312.stm


User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47440 times:

way too many air disasters the last few weeks

User currently offlineAviator9H From Malta, joined Dec 2003, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 47432 times:

5B-DBY (cn 29099/2982) Boeing 737-31S Helios Airways

Crashed North of Athens with 121 pax on board. Just checked, could possibly be Flight HCY522 inblound from Larnaca.

Registration: 5B-DBY



Roberto Benetti from MLA / LMML
User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 47375 times:

Was it 737-300 or 737-800. If later it would be first fatal accident of NG. Till now superb safety record. Hope for some survivals. God bless victims and their families


just fly - it is nice
User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 47229 times:

Oh dear, Not looking good  Sad

Sad sad news to wake up to..

Kaz


User currently offlineKovi17 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 47065 times:

 Sad lets hope for the best, even though it doesnt sound too promising of a good outcome.


We dont worry about small things like that...
User currently offlineA330Fan From Ireland, joined Aug 2005, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 46971 times:

SkyNews are quoting a Greek army chief-of-staff as saying that a hijacking "could not be ruled out".

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1192166,00.html

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:07:31]


We need a place to kick it. Don't be selfish, Anton! No one else's parents are dead!
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 46814 times:

German news station n24 just reported about the incident.

Eyewitnesses (including the F16 pilots) reported that the a/c smashed into the mountain with full speed. Debris are spread widely over the crash site.

The pilot obviously reported problems with the aircondition after takeoff in Larnaca, but the problem was considered to be rather harmless.

And then the news lady applied for the Pulitzer price when she declared that a technical failure can be excluded, and the only explanation is that hijackers entered the cockpit and shot the pilots down...   

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:09:00]

[Edited 2005-08-14 12:12:32]

User currently offlineAviator9H From Malta, joined Dec 2003, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 46606 times:

It was ex. D-ADBQ Boeing 737-31S Deutsche BA
cn 29099/2982



Roberto Benetti from MLA / LMML
25 Post contains images Drinkstrolley : Sky news now saying that a fighter alongside could not see the captain and the co-pilot was "slumped forward in his seat". Doesn't sound too clever.
26 JoeCattoli : RIP to all them... they don't exclude a terrorism act because the news says that one pilot was dead and the copilot was crushed on itself. They don't
27 DABZF : BBC News says that they had reported problems in the air conditioning system. Have they run out of air??? Scary!!!
28 A340Spotter : AirNZ, While it is certainly a tragedy with the loss of the 121 reported lives, the reality is that this website, and the forum that you and I are res
29 Aleksandar : Well, if the problems with airconditioning were noticed why the plane didn't return to Larnaca this morning?
30 FJWH : Please explain A340spotter
31 Post contains links AvroArrow : For what its worth, the CNN link to the story: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/14/greece.crash/index.html Absolutely horrible.
32 Post contains images GSPITNL : BBC America is reporting that there is unconfirmed reports that there could be foul play involved. Most sad situation unfolding. May all the soals res
33 Scorpio : Terrible news again. Let's hope there are survivors, though if reports of the plane smashing into a mountain are correct, I'm afraid there's not much
34 OV735 : Could it be that a failure of air conditioning and ventilation would wipe out the pilots? Create a lack of oxygen or something? The oxygen masks woul
35 Philb : Reports of "air conditioning problems" are rather odd given the crew obviously became incapacitated. Had there been a real problem the crew would imme
36 Trident : Sounds very similar to Payne Stewrat's Learjet crash a few years ago. Very similar circumstances
37 4xRuv : Unless they failed. The same way 4 out of the 8 slides of the AF in YYZ failed...
38 GSPITNL : However in this case, things just don't add up. As previous posts have stated, the crew and pax would have had the option for oxygen masks which if t
39 Agrodemm : Greek media report that the a/c was performing a scheduled flight from Larnaca (LCA) to AThens Eleftherios Venizelos. Soon after dparture the pilot re
40 Dogfighter2111 : If there were problems with the Oxygen, then if there was no oxygen getting fed through to the cabin then maybe there was no oxygen getting fed throu
41 Aleksandar : Exactly! Even if there were problems with ventilation, at that stage of flight, plane was not at cruising altitude.
42 Grimey : Thats very spooky, freaks me out a bit. I was thinking the same. Grimey
43 Philb : You can't compare the circumstances or the technologies involved. The air conditioning and the emergency oxygen are different systems and the cockpit
44 Rossyboy : From watching the Greek news, they made it very clear that the two pilots were either unconscious or, more likely, dead from depressurisation. The new
45 Dogfighter2111 : What would be better though:? Being Unconcious but being burned to death while you were unconcious or Being Concious and if you surived the crash, yo
46 Ruirui : This could be terrorism of a new kind. Gas from a spurious Oxygen Cylinder - released within the cabin. Suicide terrorism of a new kind. Perhaps not f
47 Post contains images EZYAirbus : Very sad indeed, I regularly see this aircraft at LTN, my sister was on this aircraft only 2 weeks ago, going to Cyprus for a holiday Glenn
48 4xRuv : Why not, the emergency oxygen system can not fail? The same way emergency slides can fail, so can emergency oxygen masks
49 Thebigjd : Just heard on Sky News that a Greek TV station is reporting that one of the passengers on the plane sent a text message to his cousin saying it was "a
50 Dogfighter2111 : Like what happened in Airport 1977? Thanks Mike
51 4xRuv : A CNN report claims 80 children onboard
52 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Sky news showing pictures, its not looking good.
53 Grimey : I see your point, but I'm not the only one who would like to be unconcious while going to my death. It would be good to be concious during the crash
54 Agrodemm : In a greek forum it was written that recently this a/c on a flight to Luton had again problems with its airconditioning.
55 Aleksandar : Just heard that one of the passengers sent SMS saying that temperature on board has dropped signifacantly. It seems that we can rule terrorist attack
56 Post contains images Kovi17 : im lookin at some video right now, it looks absolutly horrible, my prayers are with the families
57 Andz : Sky now showing visuals of the crash site. Looks to be spread over a large area as one would expect. The text message reportedly said the pilots were
58 BY738 : If the cabin was so cold and people were turning blue, the aircraft should have landed very quickly, way before the pilots became compromised.
59 Dogfighter2111 : Well, An AA B757 crashed into a Mountainside West of Cali. It was a similar incident to this one and had very few survivors but everyone was Concious
60 ANstar : If they were low enough to crash into a mountain, surely they were low enough to have breathable oxygen? It the flight was Larnaca-Athens-Prague, woul
61 Post contains links L410Turbolet : ZU522 is a scheduled flight LCA-ATH-PRG (Mo, Th, Fr, Su) http://www.csl.cz/en/frames.htm
62 IBERIA747 : Eh? where's the similarity? There were no problems affecting that flight and it crashed due to pilot's error/negligence. Everyone on board was perfec
63 Danny : RIP to all the victims. The crash itself is very suspicious. Even with presurisation and oxygen failure the pilots would make emergency descent and de
64 Andz : Maybe the mountain just happened to be what it descended into, after all were unconscious. Sky also saying it crashed 400 metres from an inhabited ar
65 Thebigjd : I was thinking the same thing but maybe the problem occurred very quickly. But then again one of the passengers managed to type a text message and th
66 Dogfighter2111 : Both aircraft crashed into a Mountain... Isn't that an obvious similarity!!! Thanks Mike
67 OO-AOG : According to my system, flight plan of HCY522 was filed for FL340. Another terrible tragedy, my sympathies to those affected.
68 Philb : WOW, back to Planet Zog we go. No basis here in fact. How would the output from one cylinder have the volume and potency to overcome the volume of ai
69 A330Fan : Something here just doesn't add up. Depressurisation is a well rehearsed event that flight crews are trained to deal with. Surely depressurisation is
70 Post contains images Airbuzz : The news are even more sad...
71 ZRH : I apologize for my ignorance, but I have been "out of the world" for two weeks and did not read any news or watch TV nor had internet access. What ot
72 IBERIA747 : Oh wow...if that's your opinion then you'll have to write a list of "similar" accidents. The cause of this accident doesn't have anything to do with
73 Post contains links Airbuzz : http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/06/sicily.plane/index.html
74 Post contains links Treg : http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2264819/
75 Pilot kaz : I think Alfonso was referring to the cause of the crash, That the AA757 crashed to due navigation / pilot error and this crash seem to be due to cabi
76 777236ER : Amazing, people are already speculating with extreme certainty on systems failures and terrorism! Time of useful conciousness at altitude is measured
77 Dogfighter2111 : The way your saying it, is as though i said it was a direct link. I don't see why i should get into an Argument about it when something so bad has ha
78 Dogfighter2111 : Thanks for pointing out, i wasn't reffering to it that way. Thanks Mike
79 LCH : Strange indeed! These days, passengers usually won't see the pilots during the flight, except for when they visit the lavatory. If the passenger sent
80 EZYAirbus : Didnt you know half of anet users are Air Accident Experts?? Well they like to think they are. It pisses me off the way people start to speculate and
81 BmiBaby737 : Apperently it's a 737-800 now acording to bbc24. R.I.P the victims. Jimmi
82 Bofredrik : Why not land? It is MANY airports on the route LCA-ATH that can take a 737...
83 TFSPhoto : Another Sad day for Aviation.. My thoughts are with the families and friends of the people onboard. Lew
84 OV735 : How cold would it be at 34 000 feet? Around -30 degrees? This would be survivable for at least some amount of time, even if you are wearing clothes ap
85 Thebigjd : If I was the pilot the last thing I'd do during a depressurisation (I'm assuming that it was a depressurisation) would be to leave the cockpit to bri
86 Alessandro : Some grim stats, the last 6 crashes with +100 dead has been Boeings and 5 of them been 737s.
87 GLAGAZ : SkyNews saying it could have been a slow leak in the oxygen tanks which would explain why the gas masks wouldn't be dropped. This would lead to Hypohe
88 A340Spotter : ZRH, The Tuninter ATR72, the Air France A340, the Norwegian? Sik-76 (14 pax IIRC), plus the Saudi MD-90 at CAI (sketchy details, no fatalities, plane
89 David L : Are we going to lash with out a terrorism theory every time there's an accident? I can't help thinking that thought may have crossed their minds if th
90 LCH : Well, nothing's certain, and we might never know for sure, but it might indicate that. It could of course just be word-of-mouth/hearsay etc. I really
91 Thebigjd : Sorry EZYAirbus but this is a place where members discuss topics on various aviation topics. Unfortunately today an aircraft has crashed, which is ob
92 ZakHH : Keep it low, mate. Most of us are just discussing the facts that appear on various media. And there is airline staff, aircraft engineers etc. among t
93 4xRuv : I think this SMS thing is a rumor... How can someone send an SMS from FL340????? Over the Mediterranean? Seems a bit odd ....
94 Pe@rson : Facts and the media go together like dirty and clean.
95 EZYAirbus : And no one wants to see arses you like you
96 LTBEWR : First of all, our condolences to the families and frends of the souls on board. I appears all were killed, the a/c is in fragments with only parts of
97 LCH : Yeah, when I think about it, it does sound a bit odd. Anyone with knowledge of GSM systems here? Can a normal GSM phone reach a base station on the g
98 QuestAir : I think that the investigation into this is going to be harder than most due to the extraordinary circumstances. If the story regarding the air condit
99 ZakHH : Accepted. Replace "facts" with "news". But there is at least some news that I would accept as "most probably facts". Still, you are certainly correct
100 David L : Well, yeah, but let's not lose the plot. Some of the speculation we see here within minutes of an accident reminds me of the stories you hear about m
101 Klaus : According to N24, that same aircraft has had a pressurization malfunction in flight before; In that earlier case they had managed to make a successful
102 Thebigjd : what is your problem? leave the site if we are annoying you. go to a site where they teach you all about grammer...."wants to see arses you like you"
103 Alessandro : LCH, not necessary to it was a GSM, satelite-telephones can be used to send SMS. I have a combo phone myself GSM/Globalstar (globalstar is a company t
104 GBan : The SMS will most certainly not be sent from that altitude. But if it is in the "send" queue of the phone and the phone is on it will be sent as soon
105 Lhrmaccoll : Umm, the phones are driven by satellites orbiting the earth, not just the ground stations..... Alex
106 N79969 : Philsquares, At what point does the crew do an emergency descent to 10,000 ft? What is the triggering event or sign?
107 Vfw614 : What was the STA at ATH ? German media (cnn affiliate n-tv) report that the aircraft crashed because of fuel starvation while flying on autopilot afte
108 LCH : Umm, but if the transmitter in the phone is not powerful enough to reach the ground, it wouldn't be able to reach a satellite either, now would it? T
109 Post contains images Bully707 : My thoughts and prayers are with the ones who lost their relatives in that horrible crash!!!! Bernd
110 Myt332 : A bit of a coincidence but flying over Greece last year, around Mykonos, I noticed my phone was still on. We were at FL360 and I got no reception at a
111 Post contains images Aleksandar : Well, the crash happened close to airport, so I doubt the plane was at FL340 at the time passenger sent a message so I guess it's possible. Come on g
112 Miikka : GSM phones cannot communicate with satellites, you need satellite phone to do that. As already pointed, it could be possible that message would be in
113 United905 : What a sad time sympathy to ao all.One thing it said on sky news that the text said that the pilot had turned blue.With security the way it is surely
114 ChrisZRH : definately not a good month for aviation 3 total losses so far! AF340, the ATR in italy and now this will certainly not help for some good aviation st
115 VivaGunners : Sad news, another crash! how bad... RIP to all the victims.
116 Bully707 : We discussed the crash over here at the office. And one of my collegues mentioned the possibility that the fact that the pilot was out of the cockpit
117 JoeCattoli : And this was one of the latest 733s too, first flown at the end of 1997. I hope it is only a coincidence... because if it is not... Just few days ago
118 Post contains links Alessandro : Furthermore, read the top review here http://www.carsurvey.org/air/airline_Helios+Airways.html Water from the aircon, crew onboard know about it and i
119 GARPD : Maybe because the 737 is the most numerous aicraft of any western type and many many airlines use them, some reputable, others pretty dodgy.
120 Alessandro : GARPD, surely, but still not very flattering...
121 Aleksandar : For anyone, watch CNN International because they are taking programme from Greek TV and there are already some strange news. The mentioned contaminate
122 GARPD : No its not, but there is no hidden reasons for it either, before people start suggesting such.
123 VC-10 : The water would be condensation and the only thing they could do would be to ask the pax to stop breathing!
124 Aleksandar : Also, Greek TV mentioned that no representative of Helios Airways was available to journalist and cannot be found in Athens. Should the airline give s
125 S.P.A.S. : Some info to add... If climbing on a 737 without pressurization, at 10000ft you get a cabin pressure warning. At 14500ft masks will drop. But those ar
126 L410Turbolet : I think it's somewhere around -50 deg. C, at least that's what the pilots usually say. A queue to be sent? There is queue of SMS messages waiting to
127 PA110 : That's not unusual. Happens all the time in warm humid climates. Humidity in the air condenses when the aircraft airconditioning system is switched o
128 EC135 : What are the facts we are thinking to know? - reported failure of air conditioning - low temperature in flight - blue faces - Pilot not in the cockpit
129 Jush : Dude are you out of your mind? If you crash with lets say 500 km/h into a mountain whether you are concious or not you're likely to be dead, so what
130 BY738 : Blue face is more likely to be a sign of hypoxia/cyanosis rather than freezing temperature where your face is likely to go pale and white.
131 EMBQA : Possible scenario? Very unlikely... The flight crew are the only one's on a plane with actual oxygen supplied through a tank. The passengers get their
132 LY7E7 : Could be CDMA.
133 Georgiabill : My condolences to the victims and their families. I believe it is much to early to speculate on a cause.
134 AIHTOURS : My sympathies go towards all involved in this terrible crash. Rest In Peace to all onboard the Aircraft. Ryan[Edited 2005-08-14 15:41:00]
135 VC-10 : Correct. All Pack systems have a system that prevents water freezing in the ducting by by-passing bleed air around refridgeration pack and putting it
136 Post contains links and images L410Turbolet : the answer: View Large View MediumPhoto © AirNikon satellite phones in every seat
137 OB1783P : That is not necessarily a sign of major neglect. I had the same thing happen to me in Business Class on SQ on a very humid day. Thank you for introdu
138 Post contains images AIHTOURS : A very sad witness report I have found on the Sky News Website:   One witness said: "I saw many bodies scattered around, all of them wearing oxygen m
139 Post contains links Oregon : Hi all, my first post.. Would air conditioning problems not also have affect on the recirculation of air on board, slowly rising the Carbon dioxide (C
140 EC135 : If the oxygen-system for the pilots (with O2 from tanks) and the oxygen-system for the passengers (with O2 from generators) are two completely differe
141 Aleksandar : So, are we talking about possible poisoning? If so, then it is even scarier. Similar thing was mentioned on CNN/Greek TV when among possible causes f
142 EMBQA : I think you'll find the reason behind the crash to be centered around the Flight Crew O2 system and their incapacitation as a result. The crew O2 was
143 Post contains images Alessandro : OB surely, but right now everyone just guessing, no more solid facts than that the plane crashed and it seem like everyone onboard died...
144 Post contains images Udo : Calm down. We are all shocked after another tragic accident and our thoughts are with victims and all people affected - but this is an aviation forum
145 Post contains images Fkruiver :
146 Morvious : Scary. My thoughts are with the reletives off the victims. R.I.P.
147 Bhmbaglock : I agree. The two most likely suspects are medical or welder's O2. Medical is very pure but has a large moisture content which quickly turns to ice in
148 RJ111 : May the passengers and crew rest in peace.
149 OPNLguy : At this point, with the limited information we have (and that with inherent inaccuracies via the media), your suggestion seems plausible. When I read
150 Sanjet : It was reported that the fighter pilots saw the oxygen masks lowered in the cockpit. Can nobody have at least tried to take controls and give it a try
151 Pilot21 : Almost all the reports above have mentioned AC problems, as a possible factor, please remember that at cruising altitude the air being circulated arou
152 Doona : Quite right there. I'm sure that the families and friends of those who died, and of course Helios' managment, will all let out a sigh of relief at th
153 Morvious : Someone mentioned this earlier. I dont know if a planes has this.. Seems logic though.
154 Post contains images RayChuang : According to what I read online, the plane that crashed had a history of cabin pressurization problems recently. That tells me somebody at Helios Airw
155 Gearup : Maybe, but the 737 is the most numerous airliner in service. When the AF concorde went down, it was the only fatal crash of the type but compared to
156 VC-10 : No, it's cooled. Air Cond air is bled off the engines at about 200 Deg C and passes through a refrigeration pack to cool it to about 5 degs C then ai
157 Phollingsworth : This is the reason that 14 CFR Part 121.333 (c)(3) exists. (c)(2) specifies that the mask be doneable in less than 5 seconds with one hand. All while
158 Alessandro : Gearup, 120 write-offs/6000built=0,02 so the average B737 are 98% safe? I agree on the Concorde hard to do good statistics on an airplane/helo built i
159 Morvious : could be. Or the copilot noticed that the pilot didn't make it, he started the descend to a lower alt for normal breathing, and passes away to. Man,
160 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Well obviously you have to take the total number of flight hours of the 737 into account, not just the number of airframes. Considering how many plan
161 Kaputt : CNN just stated that the in-flight recorders have been recovered.
162 Post contains images DeltaWings : Just calm down everyone. You are all over reacting to my statement of before. I didnt mean that I am happy or anything link that.I was just mentionin
163 A388 : Very sad news. My thoughts and prayers go out to all families involved. R.I.P. I hope the cause will be identified soon so similar incidents can be av
164 Starlionblue : Well, it's actually more like -50 Celsius. While this is survivable with proper gear, with normal clothes you can't make it for long. If it's a slow
165 RichM : It is quite normal for someone who is interested in aviation, to enquire as to what type of aircraft it was. Just because they ask such questions, do
166 Post contains links CBPhoto : http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...814/ap_on_re_eu/greece_plane_crash Reporting No survivors, all 121 perished. Very Sad indeed. RIP, and lets hop
167 Post contains links and images RICARIZA : My respects to the families. God bless them all. A freaky coincidence, this picture appears as one of the Top of the last 24 hours: View Large View M
168 PRAirbus : WEIRD! Too weird...it's a shame perhaps preventable loss of life. What a shame.
169 SpeckSpot : It is a very tragic event indeed; our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims. In the past it has been suggested that for some emerg
170 Chrisjdurber : holsy shit, sorry for the language, just heard from my mum and dad they missed te flight due to a taxi delay, god rest all of them, horrible way to go
171 Post contains links Checo77 : According to Czech news www.novinky.cz the flight was flying to PRG from Cyprus with a stop in Athens. They also told that people freezed to death bef
172 AirNZ : To Udo and DeltaWings (replies 147 and 165) I apologise if I said something out of context, and perhaps 'disgusted' was not the appropriate word, but
173 Post contains images Tomys : What a tragedy It had to be terrible experience in those last seconds/minutes. I am really interested in real chain of events which caused this accide
174 PRGLY : Sorry for outrageous question in reply 19. Carrying of pax is in my duty as you can see from my job description. Question was ment just for making in
175 B707Stu : A very sad day indeed. For the superstitious, this is obviously the third counting AF, the Italian aircraft and now this. To think at least some passe
176 Alitalia744 : Allessandro - this isn't the time to bring up A vs. B shit. Stop. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone on board and their loved ones.
177 Ramerinianair : May their memories be eternal and the bodies rest in peace. Hopefully this is an isolated incident and we will hear the official reports soon. SR
178 Tomys : Kieran Daly, editor of Air Transport Intelligence.
179 Samair : I flew on the day of the air france crash and today which I found rather a coincidence, but can I also add that I was on a 737-300 this morning and t
180 Tomys : I completely admit it might be inappropriate question but what is usualy written on information borders in a such tragic cases?
181 Douglas7Seas : May God bless them and be with thier families.
182 Backfire : It's normally something subtle, like "cancelled" or "delayed" although I've seen cases where the information board reads something more blatant, such
183 N754AN : This is very sad news. Our thoughts are with all those who lost their lives in yet another air accident. Chris.
184 PDXtriple7 : I'm somewhat too lazy to read all of the posts, but sounds like they were freezing according to the text message from a passenger, which would make se
185 Psa53 : I was awakening by my alarm-clock at PST 8:30,when CBS news reported the story. I send my prayers,for strength, to family members who lost love ones.
186 Philb : From my trips in B737-300s cockpit and the safety briefings given, the crew masks DO NOT drop down but have to be taken from easy access stowage. The
187 ME AVN FAN : the sad point about AIR disasters is that the chance of any individual to survive a fatal accident is minimal. While you in case of a sea-disaster ha
188 Neilking : Good evening all. This is my first day as a member of this forum and, naturally, the first thoughts are to the families of the deceased. I do however
189 Tomys : SkyNews reports aircraft was flying without contact with ATC for 44 minutes. Stupid Czech TV stations shows one woman on PRG airport scary because she
190 Tomys : Well, further to this story I need to tell that woman that if I am expecting somebody I will find out flight number first...
191 BY738 : Interesting that Helios timetable has 737-300 listed for the route. Wonder why there was a change. With such a small fleet and busy schedule you would
192 Alessandro : Alitalia, it´s not AvsB, but how B has preformed recently. Anyway, this plane seem to have a "history", 3 passenger was injured due to pressure fell
193 Alitalia744 : Yes, a few Boeing's have crashed. So what? It's not Boeing's peformance, it's the airlines... grow up. or should I remind you about flt. 587? either
194 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0805/14/news.shtml
195 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1124023725.html
196 Alessandro : So what? Tell the people lost loved ones on Boeings. There been a crash in Afghanistan by a Boeing, so what? Do you have anything to contribute to inf
197 GoldenArgosy : To everyone on the aircraft may you rest in peace and may peace be with the families and friends of those who lost someone. I look forward to the week
198 GARPD : With all due respect, all you have contributed is flame bait. It seems to my noobie eyes that you're trying to make out Boeings are unsafe.[Edited 20
199 Post contains images TACAA320 : May the 121 souls on aboard rest in peace.
200 ME AVN FAN : - some people in these authorities will asked such "intelligent" questions as I would like "what can cause a drop in pressure in the cabin ? ", or "w
201 Alessandro : GARPD, really, with all due respect you haven´t read my post properly. So what´s your conclusion of the last 6 crashes with Boeings claiming more th
202 Alitalia744 : What I have to contribute is thoughts and prayers and feelings for those who lost their life, just as I would had it been an Airbus. What I am not co
203 Samuraike : I hope this was the last one,august seems to be a very bad month for aviation.My thoughts are with the victims and their family's.Rest in peace to the
204 GARPD : A series of unfortunate events. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. The is no pattern, no meaning, zip, niente, nix, naught. Any attempt like yours t
205 Halophila : Please excuse my ignorance of airline procedures, I am not involved in the airline industry. My question is whether emergency O2 cylinder pressure (fo
206 Post contains links Wassch71 : ASN has a preliminary report on the accident. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050814-0 I join everybody in expressing sadness and
207 Post contains images Mexicana757 : May those people rest in peace and prayers for the family members. Sad to see this happen. So what aircraft was it, a 737-300 or 800? Because I see ev
208 Vfw614 : German media report the following: - aircraft "circled" for a considerable length of time before crashing. Thus once again my question, what was the s
209 KabAir : Quoting Alessandro: "So what´s your conclusion of the last 6 crashes with Boeings claiming more than +100 lives?" ___________________ Well, Alessandr
210 Neilking : FAO ME AVN FAN I agree with everything you say!
211 Glidepath73 : I feel really sorry for the victims and their families. I'm paralyzed, since this is a really, really, bad and horrible, accident. I almost can't take
212 Post contains images Frequentflyer : Neil: welcome to the club! Sad day indeed with this crash, 121 lost their lives, including 1/3 of kids... The passenger might have been dead at the t
213 Alberchico : I have just heard about this tragety. It sounds eerily familiar to the LearJet35 that killed the famous golfer a few years back. also because of a cab
214 Trintocan : This is very tragic indeed. I saw it on the news this afternoon. 121 dead - a major tragedy for Cyprus, Greece and the Czech Republic. May all who die
215 Ushermittwoch : Kinda late for that now, isn't it? Anyway, sad to hear this but I guess it was bound to happen some day soon. The EU will have to step up and do some
216 BA Pilot : Halophila, Checking the quantity of the O2 bottles is part of the aircraft daily inspection, also part of the pilots check on first flight of the day.
217 Post contains links Sabena332 : Please continue in the following thread: Helios 737 Cntd. -New Information- (by UAL747DEN Aug 14 2005 in Civil Aviation) Patrick
218 Post contains links DeC : this message has been moved to Helios 737 Cntd. -New Information- (by UAL747DEN Aug 14 2005 in Civil Aviation)[Edited 2005-08-14 23:20:26]
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