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Cleveland 45 Mins Connection Time?  
User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Is 45mins a long enough connection time to transfer from a CO flight from ord onto one to newark? Any replies are greatly appreciated

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

More than enough time.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

You can do it in your sleep and still have time to drink a pint at the pub..!!

Take a looking on Continental web site for gate information. 9 times out of 10 this information dosn't change. See how close your ORD arrival gate is to your CLE departure gate.

[Edited 2005-08-14 18:15:14]


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

You've got plenty of time. I had a 35 minute connection in CLE going from MCO to SYR, and still had time to get lunch! I love flying through there.

User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Thanks everyone.Good to know that there is time for a pint!

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

Actually, the minimum connection time CO to CO in CLE is 25 minutes. That's a stretch if you come in, say at D-17 or D-28, and have to go to C-1, but that kind of gate separation is rare.

45 minutes is more than adaquate in CLE.


User currently offlineSoundsfishy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

... though no one has asked the question why you're connecting over CLE between ORD and EWR. Mileage run?  Smile

User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting Soundsfishy (Reply 6):
... though no one has asked the question why you're connecting over CLE between ORD and EWR. Mileage run?

Damn Right!!!  Wink


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

You'll have enough time to eat a Whopper Meal at Burger King in the C concourse in the 45 minutes between flights................ I did!  Smile


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Again, I'll add that 45 mins is more than enough.


There are only two airports I ever connect in that I think as low as 25-30 mins is sufficient, and they are MEM and CLE.



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User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

You will need to keep an eye on the time if your flight from ORD comes in to a pier on the D terminal. You won't have to run but just don't delay too much at any one place on the way.

Your ORD flight will be on COEX so 9 times out of 10 you can expect to come in to the D concourse.

Nonstop hub to hub flights (ie CLE-EWR) are flown only by mainline so that will definitely be somewhere on C. If your flight is in the morning, the EWR flight usually leaves from the high C gates, in the rotunda area at the end of the terminal. Late morning, you can expect somehwere in the mid terminal, usually around C-11. I've never seen the afternoon flight (312) leave from anywhere other than C-18 and the evening flight 524 will almost definitely be leaving from C-5, one of CO's only CLE 757 capable gates. I can't really speak for the later flight 624 because I only worked at CLE from 8AM to 5PM and never saw that one.

Now if you really wanted to make a milage run out of it you should have taken one of the CLE-BUF-EWR, CLE-ROC-EWR, CLE-SYR-EWR, CLE-ALB-EWR, CLE-BNA-EWR or even CLE-STL-EWR flights on Express that have about 45 mins ground time at the stopover point and later continue to Newark on the same plane. Those were always my backups in case the direct CLE-NYC flights filled up at the last minute.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Never been through CLE before, I take it? No worries. Although CLE may lack some of the glitz and popularity of other hubs it is certainly one of the most efficiant operations around. You'll have no problem in 45 minutes. It will likely take you about 10 mins to go from anywhere in the D concourse to anywhere in the C concourse with the long tunnel being the biggest obstacle. There's also plenty of food available in both should you need any. Good luck and let us know what you think!


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Is CLE a big hub????? Do they have decent operations out of CLE?? I have never been before but hear nice things!! Eric


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 12):
Is CLE a big hub????? Do they have decent operations out of CLE??

Few hubs have more RJs!  silly . Between Continental, Jetlink, and Commutair there's about 300 daily departures on weekdays. CO operates about 55 gates, I believe, counting pier spots.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 10):
I can't really speak for the later flight 624 because I only worked at CLE from 8AM to 5PM and never saw that one.

C-17. 99% of the time.  Smile

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 12):
Is CLE a big hub????? Do they have decent operations out of CLE?? I have never been before but hear nice things!! Eric

Not a big hub. More like 270 flights on a full operation day, like Monday, Thursday and Friday. About 75% are RJ's. Such is life in a midsized hub.  Smile

I'm really hoping once the apron construction around C is finished, that CO can start adding some freqencies to new destinations. I don't think you'll see a lot of new service while there is gate constraints due to the apron construction.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
CO operates about 55 gates, I believe, counting pier spots.

If I count right, there's 62 parking spaces, counting piers.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
If I count right, there's 62 parking spaces, counting piers.

It's right around there. I count 34 jetways and 27 apron spots around D and the piers.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Say, Falcon... I believe C-22 is the double-jetway... can they use that on one airplane? For example, if for some ungodly reason CO ever put a 764 or 777 in here could they put one on the L1 door and the other on the L2 door?


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 10):
Now if you really wanted to make a milage run out of it you should have taken one of the CLE-BUF-EWR, CLE-ROC-EWR, CLE-SYR-EWR, CLE-ALB-EWR, CLE-BNA-EWR or even CLE-STL-EWR flights

Isn't there even a CLE-MSN-EWR flight that he could have taken? I've been on the CLE-MSN part of it before, but I don't know if they've kept that route going...



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):
t's right around there. I count 34 jetways and 27 apron spots around D and the piers.

D17 is all RJ, with 6 spots.

D21 is Beech, with 6 spots.

D25 is Beech, with 6 spots.

D28 is RJ, with 8 spots.

Total of 26 remote parking spaces.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Say, Falcon... I believe C-22 is the double-jetway... can they use that on one airplane? For example, if for some ungodly reason CO ever put a 764 or 777 in here could they put one on the L1 door and the other on the L2 door?

No, CLE has no double jetway. C21 and C-22 go through the same two door area, but are split by railing, until they go in separate directions. C16 and C17 are the same way.

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 17):
I've been on the CLE-MSN part of it before, but I don't know if they've kept that route going...

CLE-MSN has been a good route. Usually run 3 nonstops in the summer, and two in the winter. Rumor had it COEX was going to start CLE-GRB, but never heard more about it.


User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Say, Falcon... I believe C-22 is the double-jetway... can they use that on one airplane? For example, if for some ungodly reason CO ever put a 764 or 777 in here could they put one on the L1 door and the other on the L2 door?

I don't think there are any issues with the gates being positioned like you're implying but there are no gates on the C concourse that can accommodate anything larger than a 757. This is due to location of the hydrant fuel system and the lines painted on the ramp which were not designed for a plane with such a large wingspan.

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 17):
Isn't there even a CLE-MSN-EWR flight that he could have taken? I've been on the CLE-MSN part of it before, but I don't know if they've kept that route going...

I've never checked that flight but it seems feasible. How far is MSN-EWR, I'd assume well within the XR's range at least.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Flew ABE-CLE-FWA, and return, Friday evening and today (Sunday evening). Flight out of ABE Friday night was delayed due to what was explained by the very kind captain as an APU overheat. It made my connection about 35 minutes, and I still had time to grab a quick captain and coke at the Sports Bar thing on D... needed a drink before getting on a B1900 on a night with TSRA and CB's popping everywhere.  Smile I connect through CLE on CO-Ex quite often though... probably the 2nd best connecting airport in this region of the country... second only to PIT. Of course, from a native Pittsburgher, we're better than Cleveland at everything  Wink

If you're going D to C, then you have a bit of a walk, but still plenty of time... and *some* ERJ's come in C, so you'll be fine there if so.

Since I see some CO people here I have a few questions:

ABE-CLE runs are all ERJ-135's as of now, on the schedule, but in September the last run into ABE is then an ERJ-145, which overnights to leave here first thing in the morning. However Friday evening, the 5:40 departure, which was scheduled as a 135, showed up about 15 minutes late as a 145... and the captain apologized for the lateness by saying it was because the plane was late getting in on its prior flight. The ticketing computers had planned on a 135 as always, therefore the back few rows of the 145 were empty and the crew had to take time to rearrange people to the back for W/B issues. This time waiting, along with the excessive heat, was what the captain blamed for the APU overheat which cost us maybe another 30 minutes. Was this 145 just an equipment substitution, or is Co-Ex already upgrading ABE????

The loads through ABE seem to be great, much of my company has switched flying to CO through CLE thanks to US becoming more and more of a disaster area down at PHL. It's great we got upgraded to the 145. Any hopes of us picking up IAH service on an XR??

Also today, the crew left the cockpit "doors" open on the B1900 from FWA-CLE. GREAT viewing for me in seat 2-A. Is this SOP, were they doing something wrong, is it crew choice?? Just in case it's something "illegal" I won't give my flight numbers/times, don't want to get such nice guys in trouble.

Thanks for your help!!

-Todd


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 19):

I don't think there are any issues with the gates being positioned like you're implying but there are no gates on the C concourse that can accommodate anything larger than a 757.

Actually, the jetways on most of the gates can accomodate from an ERJ to a 777, if need be. We've had DC-1-30's, A300's, 762's parked at those gates in the past. In a pinch, a 777 could be parked at C3, 5, 9, and maybe 22.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Was this 145 just an equipment substitution, or is Co-Ex already upgrading ABE????

Probably the former. Rarely will you have a 145 flight get downgraded to a 135, for obvious mega-overbooking problems, but you will see occasionally a 145 substituted for a 135.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Any hopes of us picking up IAH service on an XR??

I think, for the moment, COEX is happy enough with CLE-ABE laods to keep any IAH pax funnelling through CLE.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 19):
there are no gates on the C concourse that can accommodate anything larger than a 757.

Think that might change with the new apron layout? Makes sense to at least have one widebody rather than have to use A.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
were they doing something wrong, is it crew choice??

Crew choice. Perfectly legal on the 1900s at most carriers.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
I think, for the moment, COEX is happy enough with CLE-ABE laods to keep any IAH pax funnelling through CLE.

Or driving over to EWR for directs. I wonder how many EWR O&D pax drive over from the Lehigh Valley area looking for cheaper flights/directs to all sorts of places. I'm sure it's a relatively small number % wise, but in terms of an ERJ load, probably a good bit.

PS: Falcon84 and N766UA: Thanks for the replies!


25 OptionsCLE : That's not entirely true. Although the jetways can be raised enough to park a 777 (I'm not even sure about that but I'll give you the benefit of the
26 MasseyBrown : The ramp lines may reflect only 757 and smaller these days, but in the past widebodies were regularly scheduled into C gates by CO (A300s), NW (747s a
27 OptionsCLE : I certainly remember the good old days! I flew ORD-CLE on a UA 762 in 2000. I remember those big Rich International L1011's would park over at the ni
28 Smcmac32msn : MSN to EWR is 691.9 NM on a initial true course of 287*. I don't have time to load up the Embraer website, (I'm only on dial-up) but if somebody can
29 OptionsCLE : From the Embraer website: ERJ-145 - 1,550 nm ERJ-145XR - 2,000 nm That's easily within the range.
30 MasseyBrown : IIRC, they flew out of the first NW gate. C-4? If the resurfacing is good for 20-30 years, why limit capacity to a 5 year plan? Unless you mean these
31 GoCOgo : Indeed, I find it foolish to preclude yourself from handling widebodies when with little or no additional effort, you keep the gates currently capabl
32 Tornado82 : Where do CO's int'l flights into EWR file as alternates typically?? I know ABE gets several Express Jet ERJ's everytime EWR gets stormed in, but we co
33 OptionsCLE : Nope, you've got it. One must consider both the lines on the pavement and the hydrant fuel system when you look at gate use. With the ramp repavement
34 Post contains images GoCOgo : The HNL flight has diverted to CLE before. The HKG flight also might divert. PEK might be a little out of the way. But the IAH-Europe flights all com
35 Tornado82 : Considering that most flights into EWR were diverting for a period of the evening last night for storms.. it might happen more often than people thin
36 Mbm3 : I believe CLE has also received widebody diversions from Europe flights as well. Given the flight path dropping down from Canada and upstate New York,
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