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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10905 times:

I'm really annoyed by the media, and even people in general, about how whenever there is a crash, everyone jumps on saying that it was due to terrorism. In all cases, it most likely is *NOT* due to terrorism, but just human error, mechanical, technical problems, and what not. Anyone else find it ridiculous that when we hear about this, it always sounds like:

"A plane in *country name* today crashed with *number* people aboard. Experts have ruled out the possibility of terrorism."

Give me some real information, not that terrorism was ruled out!


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10875 times:

Quoting Aviationwiz (Thread starter):
I'm really annoyed by the media, and even people in general, about how whenever there is a crash, everyone jumps on saying that it was due to terrorism.

Who is saying this about what incident?



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10842 times:

Until the facts are reported from a full investigation many months down the road, you are right in that terrorism in some form or fashion simply like anything else to include an alien air-air kill cannot be ruled out.  Smile

User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10762 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 2):

Who is saying this about what incident?

The media in Cyprus were telling this in the first reports about the accident, midday, just because the crews of the F-16's that followed the Helios Airways B737 before its crash, reported that they saw someone with mask on, in the cockpit (probably a crew member with an oxygen mask), were the unconscious co-pilot laid. After some time and after driving people mad with stupid terrorism speculations, they contradicted their previous comments as being not-valid in the end.  Yeah sure

All this is a result of the worldwide terror, being preserved and fueled by the media all over the world if you ask me. We are afraid of our own shadows…



DEC
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10709 times:

MSNBC, CNN, Fox News...they mention the "T" word too quickly and get people all excited. A truck crashes on the freeway and one of the first things they say is, "It's undetermined if this was an act of terrorism." It's a good, old-fashioned crash for God's sake.

What next? Paris Hilton trips over her rat dog and skins her knobby knee. "We're not sure if it's an act of terrorism. The Department of Homeland Security could not be reached for comment."

Mark


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10650 times:
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Actually, the first report I heard the word was only mentioned as an unlikely cause. In this case it was CNN Interntional--I think now the reactionaries are the over-reactors and the media was the sane ones. In fact, there were more immediate comparisons right away to the Payne Stewart corporate jet crash--but then again, other than CNN, most of my sources for news were Australian.

Let me add that the US too is the only nation to experience horrific deliberate air crashes as a result of terrorism in an event that shook the nation to its core. If the media jumps the gun now and then, I will allow it--for most people, especially those working downtown in NYC--air crashes will always immediately be linked to terrorism first, everything else second.

In Sri Lanka the Tamil Tigers blew up the planes while they were empty. In the 70's, Palestinians emptied the planes then blew them up with grenades. While great images for TV, in terms of impact on humanity, they were a lot less harmful.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10557 times:

I feel the same way.

When AF358 crashed the media said that "terrorism has been ruled out" and they said the same thing today with the Helios crash.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10502 times:

I agree but the first mention I heard of terrorism in the Helios crash was here! Every time there's an accident, there are always those who devise a theory then try to get the facts to fit it - terrorism happens to be the "in" thing. OK, there could be all sorts of reasons but doesn't it make sense to start with the most likely causes?

User currently offlineXr8FordGirl From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10429 times:

"What next? Paris Hilton trips over her rat dog and skins her knobby knee. "We're not sure if it's an act of terrorism. The Department of Homeland Security could not be reached for comment."

LOL AsstchiefMark.


The whole "T" thining is rediculous now with the media claiming it's terrorism everytime there's a problem. It's like it's the new scapegoat for everything from Paris Hiltons continued existence to Tom Cruise making any more films.(which may well be true)

It's one thing to start with and remove the most likely causes and to a degree I can understand that need because it's logical but that's for the investigators to determine. It's the media that constantly scream the "T" word evertime something happens that is getting rediculous.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

The media feels like they constantly need to "reassure" us that these aircraft incidents aren't terror-related. Why? Either they think we're still "paranoid" or they're trying to keep us "paranoid" so we still keep drinking the terror paranoia Kool-Aid

Yes, terror is just a threat here as everywhere else, but there's no point in being paranoid about it. Accept it and move on.

To the media: If it wasn't terror related, then don't mention it.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

Quoting Xr8FordGirl (Reply 8):
It's the media that constantly scream the "T" word evertime something happens

And some people here - it happened with the Air France crash in Toronto, too, and then we get the claims that it's everyone's right to discuss all possibilities without anyone labelling their claims as outrageous. Ah, the internet - can't live with it, can't live without it!


User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10339 times:

Terrorism sells. As mentioned earlier, the newslady on German news channel "n24" knew for sure that a technical background could be ruled out and the only possible explanation was that someone entered the cockpit and killed the pilots. Brilliant, I would say.

But not only playing the "T"-card is what annoys me, also the constant mentioning of the absence of a terroristic background for every sack of rice that is dropped in China. I really wonder when the first weatherman will tell us that there is no evidence for a terroristic background behind our rainy summer this year...  banghead 


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Terrorism has not been ruled out as a cause of this reply.

[Edited 2005-08-15 02:55:43]

User currently offlineXr8FordGirl From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10203 times:

I always thought Englands rainy summers were suspicious  eyebrow   silly  it's a terrorist plot to disrupt the organised loafing.....*whipsers* Australia really doen't like loosing the Ashes you see*

The problem is it's getting to rediculous proportions and you know it's getting that way when they initally suggested Columbia may have been terrorist related as opposed to the really obvious foam block that came off during the launch, but suggested it was by the print media certainly. Not sure if it made it to tv but I wouldn't be surprised.

What better way to keep the western world as paranoid as possible than to constantly spread fear and the news (which is more like entertainment these days anyway) push the proaganda by screming the "T" word everytime a car craches.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10176 times:

Quoting Xr8FordGirl (Reply 13):
they initally suggested Columbia may have been terrorist related

It was mentioned in TV reports, too. I'd forgotten about that - good point!


User currently offlineSonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Like all private companies that seek to make money, U.S. media outlet (and particularly those in the U.S.) newsreaders (and writers) tend to use the term "terrorism" as a certain way to attract attention to their network.

In short - and this part really bugs me, but it's true - sensationalism sells ... period. News coverage lacks real news but is filled with useless potentiality of disaster and catastrophic events, either made up (as in the above claim of "possible terrorist threat") or tailored to sell the network to the public. Instead of showing real news about real events of the world most networks just satisfy themselves by producing "special reports" on "what you didn't know" like one of a million different ways someone can get hurt...

Pfff.... It's all rather pathetic. Those who really suffer are the regular folk that are getting too wound up by constant reminders of "potential threats".


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 904 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

The reality is that the great majority of private and commercial aircraft that are lost are lost for reasons other than terrorism. Still, those relatively few caused by terrorism have been rather spectacular events, 9/11 being the most spectacular and tragic. A terrorist act injects all kind complicating factors beyond aviation. Outrage at the perpetrators, political considerations, the stories of why they did it, how they did it, the response to terrorism, etc., etc. It's a lot bigger story, a much more significant event all around than a crash for aviation related reasons like weather, technical failure and/or human error.

Given all that, it's not surprising at all they're so quick to mention terrorism, even if it's just to dismiss it in that case.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

The reality is that the great majority of private and commercial aircraft that are lost are lost for reasons other than terrorism.

The reality is also that many of the airliner crashes that have occured have also been due to terrorism. In terms of accident causes, it is probably the single most frequent. Most other single causes of accidents have been eradicated through redundant safety mechanisms these days, so terrorism is naturally one of the first things you would look at to rule out. This is how investigations work - first you determine what *didn't* happen, then you work backwards. (Otherwise you are just following a whole bunch of false leads.) Singular causes of crashes are the easiest to rule in or out so terrorism is always among the first things mentioned.

I wouldn't say terrorism is anymore "in" with the news media these days than it ever has been. 9/11 was certainly not the first time terrorists have brought down a plane - terrorists and bombers have been blowing up planes (including over the United States) since at least the 1960's. Don't forget that just prior to 9/11, a plot was busted up that would have brought down ten airliners simultaneously around the world, just after 9/11 we had Richard Reid, and shortly after that we had two terrorist bombs simultaneously bring down a Tu-134 and a Tu-154 in Russia.

That's the unfortunate reality of the situation. If you don't want the media to focus on it, go out and convince all the terrorists in the world to knock it off and get some other hobby. I personally think it's a pretty good idea to tell the world that it *isn't* terrorism as soon as that's known, because otherwise you'll have continuous and endless speculation about whether it was or it wasn't.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9344 times:

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 17):
9/11 was certainly not the first time terrorists have brought down a plane - terrorists and bombers have been blowing up planes (including over the United States) since at least the 1960's.

No, but it was the first time where a civilian airliner was intentionally crashed into a skyscraper resulting in mass ground casulties.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9321 times:
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Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 17):
I wouldn't say terrorism is anymore "in" with the news media these days than it ever has been.

I agree. The media used to always use the 'b' word (bomb) to indicate terrorism whenever an airliner crashed. After Sept. 11, it changed simply to 'terrorism' because bombs are not the only thing terrorists can use to bring down an airliner.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

The American media (both left and right) love to hype up stories. Just as sex sells, fear sells. So for as long as people are afraid and as long as people keep paying attention to that ridiculous colour coded threat level monitor the producers at CNN, FOX and every other network are going to continue to use their favourite sentence "at this time terrorist involvement has not been ruled out."

BBC and the CBC are a little better but not by much.

YOWza



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User currently offlineWingnut135 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9102 times:

Terror is one way of group A keeping group B in control. The media, group A, does it to keep the public, group B, tuned in. If someone comes on the news stating a plane crashed in a country half way around the world, and that's it, most people would just shrug it off and change the channel. But if they throw the "T"-word in there, people will stay tuned to see what expert the network has called up and how much they can speculate from just looking at the picture on the screen. In most cases it's someone who hasn't been in the relevant field in some time, and all they do is toss out speculation bull sh*t until they forget what they were initially talking about. When AF358 crashed two of the big 3 news outlets had an expert on within minutes, and all either of them knew was that it was an airplane, and it was in a ditch off the runway in Toronto. Both of them kept spewing out bs, followed by more bs. "T"-word this, "T"-word that.

The media needs to be held accountable  liar , but then there's the First Amendment to get around. All we can do is switch off.

Wingnut



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9070 times:

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 17):
The reality is also that many of the airliner crashes that have occured have also been due to terrorism. In terms of accident causes, it is probably the single most frequent.

Are you Spacecadet or totally spaced out?

Do yourself (and us all) a favour.
First find a dictionary and look up the meaning of "many". Then look up the meaning of "frequent".

Armed with that information, go to http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/database.cgi

Spend the next few days checking out the cause of each accident listed since the start date of the database (1950).
You will need to open each accident date for a cause, so it will take you a while.

Do the math and detail how many fatal accidents there have been in the last 55 years and how many have been terrorist related (in numbers and as a percentage).

Then come back, start a new thread and apologise for typing the biggest pile of bullsh*t I've read here in a long time.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9000 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 22):
Are you Spacecadet or totally spaced out?

Do yourself (and us all) a favour.
First find a dictionary and look up the meaning of "many". Then look up the meaning of "frequent".

Armed with that information, go to http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/database.cgi

Spend the next few days checking out the cause of each accident listed since the start date of the database (1950).
You will need to open each accident date for a cause, so it will take you a while.

Do the math and detail how many fatal accidents there have been in the last 55 years and how many have been terrorist related (in numbers and as a percentage).

Then come back, start a new thread and apologise for typing the biggest pile of bullsh*t I've read here in a long time.

Now that's a world class telling off!

YOWza



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User currently offlinePflueeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

As long as "some" Arabs pose a threat to the general population as we know it, terrorism will always (and should be) top-of-mind.

25 Post contains images SATX : Priceless! What on earth are you talking about? Go back to sleep.
26 Nudelhirsch : People wonder why the media keeps terrorism a top topic? Here is the answer. I was zipping through channels, many hours after the crash, to see if the
27 Xr8FordGirl : *applauds Philb* The media will continue to trot out the "T" word for as long as it causes sensation and attracts attention and most importantly gets
28 SATX : American media sucks. I used to watch NOW but the new conservative majority over at the CPB managed to get it cut to 30minutes. I still listen to NPR
29 Mrniji : YOWza, asu usual, I agree! American Media is a piece of sh-t, but even worse that many people actually LOOK for such news! They want to have it confi
30 CV747 : You must be joking! If you take all fatal accidents, the ones caused by Terrorism are a small fraction. (NB! not all criminal acts are Terrorism. It'
31 David L : Thanks, Philb! In every single accident most possibilites didn't happen. Are you seriously suggesting an investigation should start by taking time to
32 Post contains images OHLHD : Who says it is arabs all the time? SATX: great as usually!!!!
33 Post contains images ZakHH : As long as "some" Americans need a certain level of threat to the general population as we know it, as justification for spending billions of dollars
34 YOWza : Hey Bubba/Billy-Bob/ thanks for finding the time to stop watching NASCAR and swirling Milwaukee Ice to share your pearls of wisdom with the aviation
35 Stall : Well ! Where do I start ..... I don't know. Such abyss of ignorance is really scary.
36 Soylentgreen : Airplane crashes, where there is complete destruction of the craft, are so rare, that it is only human nature today, to suspect terrorism. Quick denia
37 Freedom4all : In the post 9/11 world, how can you be annoyed that people think terrorism is involved, today it has become more and more likely, and when a plane goe
38 Post contains images Freedom4all : thats pretty funny!!
39 Post contains images JBo : What's it at now? Beige? Just because we live in a world of terror doesn't mean we have to be "filled with terror" about it. Furthermore, I know that
40 Philb : We can be annoyed because we don't all live in a state of paranoia. It isn't the thought of terrorism that causes the problem for those here who try
41 B744F : The media is supposed to report the facts, not report the unknown and make assumptions just to get the drama factor up so you people can be glued to
42 YOWza : I beleive the threat level is currently at "Eldorado Sunset" but the CIA is picking up increased "chatter" on suspicious channels so they may raise i
43 EZEIZA : We coud say the same about the other side, right? As long as "some" xxxx pose a threat , etc. (xxxx, you can fill it in with whoever the rest of the
44 Post contains images MainMAN : Don't say things like that! I've got four visitors arriving from MEL on Wednesday and if the sun isn't shining at MAN, I'm in BIG trouble! What was t
45 Freedom4all : So are you implying I'm stupid for thinking when a plane goes down, there is a "possibility" a terrorist was involved...yeah, ok. And just for your i
46 DFORCE1 : I couldn't have said it better myself! The average person's first thought will be, "I wonder if it was an act of terrorism." It is the media's job to
47 Philb : Have you considered that there are thousands of images out there in all sorts of media which detail the design construction and shape of every NYC br
48 Gipper913 : Let's see my German friend, like the level of threat some Americans used twice in the last century to spend on weapons, wars and security measures fo
49 Freedom4all : Your comparing the US to the NAZI'S? i sure hope not....the US, and the US media is nothing like nazism
50 Philb : The defence of West Germany was as much about the defence of the US and US interests as it was about defending Cologne, West Berlin or Frankfurt.[Edi
51 Freedom4all : Well said man, well said!! i really agree with you there, the anti-US tend in eroupe is really growing
52 Philb : I wasn't, actually. I was comparing massive and rapid changes in cultures. But, now you mention it, have you ever heard the shock jocks on radio in t
53 Post contains images Jacobin777 : hope your idiotic post gets deleted.... unfortunately, it seems this is the general directions of most Americans... wrong.....statistical probability
54 ZakHH : Well met, my American friend! Certainly not. However, where exactly do you nowadays spot the enemy that my country certainly was in the first half of
55 LH477 : The conspiracy theorist in me believes that all this terrorist talk is to keep us afraid all time.........Because we all know that when ever a plane d
56 Abrelosojos : The thing that annoys me now more than the "T" word is when I hear "its for your safety that you cannot do XXX" ... anyone else with me here? Recently
57 Post contains images Gipper913 : Certainly not. You have every right to express your opinion. Look, I have issues with the US policy (ies) too. It just did seem like US bashing, whic
58 Post contains images ZakHH : Well, thanks for yours, and well met indeed! I can certainly agree to most what you have just written above and respect that you do not see it all in
59 RedAirForce : "We can be annoyed because we don't all live in a state of paranoia." And we all did not see those towers burn with our own eyes....we EARNED the righ
60 Post contains images Jacobin777 : 1)I wanted to set the record straight with statistically wrong facts....2)I'm not the one out on the "attack"..nor do I make flamebit comments unless
61 Alberchico : After 9/11, even if a plane goes off a runway in a snowstorm, terrorism will be brought up.....
62 Jspitfire : In Vancouver here we had a fireworks competition not too long ago, and they had a 757 do a flyby over the beach before the show. The first thing they
63 Xr8FordGirl : "Don't say things like that! I've got four visitors arriving from MEL on Wednesday and if the sun isn't shining at MAN, I'm in BIG trouble! What was t
64 FLAIRPORT : I will tell you right now that every time the media talks about "terror threats" the first thing I say is "That's a bunch of bull...nothings going to
65 EZEIZA : No, I don't have the actual figures with me, but I'm pretty sure that between the IRA and ETA (just to name a couple), it will be a pretty close call
66 Nudelhirsch : According to an article on T-Online (citing other sources) the Al Quaida has certain steps in their program and certain targets. Phase 1 is over - spr
67 David L : So, what can we do to allay everyone's fears? Oh yes, let's mention terrorism at every opportunity, even when there's no evidence for it. Exactly. Ju
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