N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8035 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5416 times:
Well, given that most of their work is done in the wee hours of the morning and late at night, air traffic isn't a problem. Even daytime flights aren't a big deal. Keep in mind also that most of the buinesses and shipping companies are in bigger cities. For example, much more is going to be shipped out of Cleveland than Akron and everything in Akron is easily truckable to CLE.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16555 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5390 times:
Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter): I would assume that they would want an airport with not much traffic (both air and ground). Especially since they all operate day flights too for 2nd day packages.
First of all they want to be close to where their clients/packages are located, get the packages in the air and into their networks as quickly as possible.
Second they operate their peak hours of operations during the evening/early morning hours when congestion at airports like EWR, PHL etc is minimal. Most major airports have very few flights after 8 or 9 PM, just when the Fed Ex, UPS, ABX ramp up begins.
UPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 869 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5144 times:
You have to factor in Pickup times, Later pickups are a selling point. With the airport being in a metro area this also allows for earlier delivery times. You have to have sufficient time to get the loads trucked to and from the airport within the time allowed. Most metro areas have an airport close, so an out of the way airport might not allow for the later pick up time or earlier delivery time. This is way UPS has a flight out of LAX and a hub in ONT. Traffic is a concern but not to the extent of ground accessibility for later pickup and earlier delivery. It was brought up that traffic tends to fall off around the time the sort takes place. This is true. Then you have landing fees and environmental concerns. A good example would be PIE for UPS. PIE is centrally located between Clearwater/ ST Pete. and Tampa markets. PIE has very little traffic and UPS operates 3 flights a day out of there. Fed Ex uses TPA. DHL uses both airports. I think Astar goes into PIE and ABX goes into TPA on behalf of DHL.
An example of a secondary airport that would not work would be SFB. To get loads to and from SFB from Orlando area would take at least an hour. With the unpredictable traffic along I-4 it would probably take longer. MCO is located a lot closer to the Orlando market which allows for the later pick up and earlier delivery times needed for the customer. Sure SFB might be cheaper but when the customer pays for an 8:30 am delivery with a money back guarantee, you better have a network that will get the package there by 8:30am.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3915 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5104 times:
Manchester (NH) sees two DC-10s and one A310 each and every day from FedEx, and two A300-600s and a 757 from UPS. There's nowhere near this kind of lift down at PVD, so you're right about that airport. Regardless of the airports in question, those that allow late night and early morning operations will be the ones the freight haulers will gravitate to. FedEx has a nice operation at MHT...plenty of room to park a few widebodies simultaneously.
An interesting side note is that the FedEx A310 that comes in from Indianapolis each evening continues down to Boston...a distance of 50 miles. We're wondering whether they even retract the gear
DHLSAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 136 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter): .....ON A SIDE NOTE, does anyone know why many DHL station (origin/destination) codes are for small airports that they don't/can't even use?
Simply for routing in cities with multiple stations or to know which belt to go down. Like in San Diego we had SAN and CLD. Doesn't matter anymore since DHL has gone to Airborne's routing system. We have 3 stations in San Diego.
Tsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4883 times:
DHL does a lot of business with IAC's (indirect air carriers)/freight forwarders, as well as route shipments with other carriers...so they keep their operations as major airports...e.g. JFK, where these companies are most likely to be located.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1869 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4758 times:
Tsnamm said it for DHL but it is true for the otehrs. Large amount of express shipments make a part of their trip in the bellies of passenger airlines, when it is not economical to fly their own aircraft.
They also work with freight agents, to carry traditional freight when the express doesn't take all the space on board their aircraft.
As a result, you have to be at large airports.
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N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6319 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4658 times:
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 15): FedEx's sorting center for the western suburbs of Chicago is in Hillside, which is a 10 to 15 minute drive from the cargo entrance at ORD.
Yep, and Airborne/DHL's sorting center is in Franklin Park, and basically butts up against, but is not part of, ORD property. UPS also has a large operation in Hodgkins, which is about 15 miles away from ORD. It's actually closer to MDW.
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AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1961 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4650 times:
You also have to remember that not all FexEx packages travel on FedEx metal. Packages from smaller towns arrive in airliner belly cargo and are transfered to FedEx planes for their flight to Memphis. Also, some packages are routed directly between cities on scheduled airline flights. This makes it more convenient to be at a major airport. Also, at other than a half dozen or so airports, the runways are not so overcrowded that express cargo planes are delayed by congestion at the time they usually depart in the evening.
UPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 799 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4581 times:
The UPS facility at RFD is most certainly for overnight packages. The packages that fly through RFD are those that come from the region. RFD is a regional air hub for UPS like PHL, CAE, DFW and ONT. If you have a package going from DSM - MSP it will probably go through RFD instead of SDF, the main all-points hub.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4461 times:
IND is a huge Fedex Hub!! I work there on the "night Shift" and we send that Manchester, New hampshire flight there then its off to Boston then back to IND!!! For another go around. I jumpseated on that flight!! Eric
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This is a HUGE issue for most carriers! I know FedEx has been looking at locations all over the eastern seaboard for expanding hub operations, especially at GSO. But, many of those airports have strict noise regulations that would be smashed by the 11pm-5am operating hours of the company...during the one time frame that most people complain about. The larger airports offer locations that have already been time-tested for heavy traffic and therefore have fewer regulations.
Also, as several others have already said, the larger airports are usually within very close proximity to the vital roadways of a city. A remote field might be larger and suitable for the operations, but it may require much more time to transport the cargo out to feeder sites. Time being the one thing these carriers can't compromise.
However, FedEx, and I can only speak for them, has been actively looking at other locations, especially on the coasts, for another permanent hub operation, much like IND. The local economy would surely benefit from it, but would also put up the strongest fight against it. But, with FedEx still growing like it is, another airport with less congestion in the airspace would reduce a lot of time for the massive influx of flights that it has every night.
Man...I seem to be discussing FedEx a lot tonight! Maybe I should change my screen name.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3915 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4433 times:
Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 21): IND is a huge Fedex Hub!! I work there on the "night Shift" and we send that Manchester, New hampshire flight there then its off to Boston then back to IND!!! For another go around. I jumpseated on that flight!! Eric
Dude! Inquiring minds want to know: did they even retract the gear on that A310 when it flew from Manchester down to Boston? What was the flying time...like nine minutes?? LOL
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
Fedex is adding 12 more gates south of the existing gates for additional aircraft on the night shift!!! Fedex likes IND. MEM is land locked and they say that IND will get all the extra traffic.. They want IND to be the biggest some day. It is the 2nd largest hub for Fedex in the world right now. Eric
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25 BrowntailWhale: Hate to break the bad news to you Tornado82, but DHL is pulling out of ABE completely in a few weeks. A buddy of mine that flies for ABX flew a DC8 i
26 Blackearth: I think your statements have already been addressed: RE: Fed Ex Expansion. (by MEMbase Aug 13 2005 in Civil Aviation)
27 BOSPMV: as mentioned, location to the city. In the case of BOS, they would be idiots if they went into PVD which is 50 miles south of BOS, add in the fact th
28 Tornado82: Dang... now that we're back to sleeping-with-windows-open weather I won't get to hear that 3am flight anymore. Most people would b*tch, but music to
29 Warszawa: There is no airline in the USA hauling Fedex Express packages - nor does Fedex use any airline to haul fedex packages. Which therefore means...no fed
30 PanHAM: Wonder that nobody mentioned that UPS uses Boeing Field in SEA and Ellington Field in HOU. Another exception from the rule is Mather Field in Sacramen
31 Warszawa: UPS uses IAH, not EFD or HOU. Thats true, Fedex serves these airports (UPS serves SMF, though they also serve SJC and OAK), though they're not using
32 BrowntailWhale: Then how do you explain away the Gemini MD-11 that's on the FedEx ramp in MEM every night?