Planenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
As mentioned in another thread. QF will begin 3x weekly nonstop service SYD-SFO.
The media push has started this weekend with several colour ads in Bay Area newspapers (SF Chronicle, Contra Costa Times, San Jose Mercury News) announcing the service as well as the introductory fare of USD798 round-trip.
Radio adds will begin this week as well, and a presentation and sales meeting for area travel sgents will be held this week in San Francisco.
The adds are seriously trying to convey that QF's service to SYD will be like none other currently available out of SFO (eg, United): extra legroom, personnnel seat back entertainment, three choices of inflight meals, etc., and onward connections to New Zealand, Bali, and other South East Asian destinations.
QF servied SFO previously, I beleive in the 80's. I remember seeing their counter in the old international terminal which was shared with BA. Does anyone remember their schedule and frequency back them. I assume services were with 747. Was the flight nonstop or via LAX, HNL?
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3491 times:
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The adds are seriously trying to convey that QF's service to SYD will be like none other currently available out of SFO (eg, United) But QFs service will never be able to beat NZs SFO service with nice new cabins, newer aircraft on services from SFO. I know NZ don't operate SFO-SYD but I'm meaning this and onward connections to New Zealand
This new route will totally make SFO spotters a dream come true, having QF aircraft in SFO. Wonder if this new service could become daily in a few years
B787 From Australia, joined May 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3433 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 1): The adds are seriously trying to convey that QF's service to SYD will be like none other currently available out of SFO (eg, United) But QFs service will never be able to beat NZs SFO service with nice new cabins, newer aircraft on services from SFO.
True, but the thing about nice new aircraft is they don't stay nice and new for long.
Also, as much as I love NZ, they really are just catching up with everyone else. Granted they will offer what sounds like a 'better' product with 34" pitch in economy, premium economy and video on demand. The NZ option for AUS - SFO flights will really only be an option to MEL and BNE originating passengers, and these can fly direct to LAX on QF and UA and connect to wherever from there. It appears that QF has put a dent in NZs plans here, but that was to be expected.
All I say is good luck to QF and NZ. I want them to both do well.
Qantasflyer From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4): QF's 744ER's are newer than yours are. Our B772s will be newer
There I think that is enough child comments
NZ will never be better than QF, QF has a far greater preseence and reputation and soon will boot NZ with its A380s so NZ is not really doing anything so special, and it is you retaliating endlessly with these childish comments! Build a bridge...
Qantasflyer That's the spirit. The Spirit of Australia!
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3247 times:
Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter): QF servied SFO previously, I beleive in the 80's. I remember seeing their counter in the old international terminal which was shared with BA. Does anyone remember their schedule and frequency back them. I assume services were with 747. Was the flight nonstop or via LAX, HNL?
QF servered SFO from 1954 to at least 1983. The route was SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-NYC-LHR. Services started with Lockheed Connies, then B707-138, B707-338 giving way to B742 & 767 aircraft. NAN was started to be dropped in the 70s and was gone some years later. AFAIK service was never non stop.(Perhaps right at the end?).
Frequency to SFO was daily by the 1970s
SFO was also QFs North American business office for many years.
Razza74 From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3212 times:
It is great to see that QF is returning to SFO
Kevin Costner once said in some trashy film "build it and they will come", this in my opinion is what QF needs to do, don't just take the cream (LHR and LAX) but identify future growth markets and develope them.
But one has to ask the question is it premptive against SQ entering the Pacific market?
Yes I know the Australian Govt has said no for the moment, but QF has increased BNE - LAX They are restarting services to SFO and eventually to YVR so ineffect they are covering the main markets to and from Oz across the Pacific . . good business sense but a pain for competion
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3114 times:
Quote: I think when they ceased services last time, the routing was SYD-HNL-SFO.
My last QF SYD-SFO flight was in early '88 and indeed via HNL.
An aside... at that time QF were short of A/C and were chartering planes from Tower and Martinair amongst others... but to avoid the bad PR at home these planes rarely came closer than NAN. QF flights would shuttle pax out of the country, once "out of sight" they would change planes. I have photos of our "companion" Tower/QF flight flying almost along side about an hour West of HNL.
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
Avalon From Australia, joined May 2005, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
I hope the route is such a success that we see direct QF MEL-SFO in the not too distant future. QF are increasing their direct MEL-LAX flights from one a day to about 10 a week and the A380 will fly to LAX from MEL as well, so there is growing demand from MEL, even with ANZ and UA flying to the US from here as well.
Quoting B787 (Reply 3): The NZ option for AUS - SFO flights will really only be an option to MEL and BNE originating passengers
This is true, although I would much rather take an international QF flight to SYD and change there for the direct flight to SFO than travel to either LAX or anywhere in NZ - sorry, but I just prefer QF to ANZ and UA.
Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter): The adds are seriously trying to convey that QF's service to SYD will be like none other currently available out of SFO (eg, United): extra legroom, personnnel seat back entertainment,
Don't UA have seat back entertainment in their transpacific 744s for economy passengers at all? When the A380s begin flying the route, UA will look really shabby in comparison. I am not gloating over this because even though I would not fly with them, I would not like to see UA exit the route either.
Trolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
Legroom in which cabin? NZ will win in the J class stakes. Down back its all a bit blurred. NZ has the best pemium economy, then UA has it's economy plus, followed by UA/QF/NZ all much of a muchness at 31-32" for standard steerage. (NZ is only keeping 34" pitch on its 744's) QF and UA have a true F class though.
Which service is "better" will come down to personal preference. Glad to see QF expanding.
BTW has QF introduced 3 meal choices, when ever I've flown down back it always been 2 choices?
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
SFO would appear problematic for QF and you can see why they wouldn't have done it before. San Francisco as a gateway to the US is bound to be much more popular than Los Angeles and it will become the first option for many Australians. with such a simple high profit scenario 5 747's per day up into one city against UA and NZ (prior to upgrade) with if i'm right similar airfares to the kangaroo route any change might be popular with A.net aussies but may not be with the QF CFO.
IADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2723 times:
I went to Australia in 1987 and flew SFO-SYD-SFO nonstop and the service was fabulous. In either February or March, 2006 I am going back to SYD. I was going to layover in CA a few days before flying out. I really wasnt too keen on LA, so I am delighted to hear QF is returning to SFO. Does anybody know the exact date the service will start? This is indeed wonderful news. Good news would be even better if, by chance, they have a sale on business class. I might even be tempted to really splurge.
Halophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
I look forward to travelling QF home to Oz at the end of the year. Hopefully the fares will be reasonable after Dec 15 and before Jan 15, so that I don't have to travel FJ again (usually for me $100 - 200 cheaper than QF or NZ). Not that I dislike NAN or the FJ service, but that 4 - 5 h layover at 5 am is difficult.
Not that related, but didn't QF serve LA from CNS in the early '90's (via HNL)?
Why? Sure I love the 777 too, but don't you think you should wait to see how the particular airline has configured their aircraft first????? I must say though, the idea of boarding or de-planning with 550+ pax does not excite me much.