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User currently offlineUnitedchicago From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

So...if the UA deal goes through. Who do you think American and Delta will go after?

-Continental (not good for either delta or aa because they're heavy in texas...but heavy east presence)
-TWA (not worth it)
-AmericaWest (an old ua target)
-Northwest (good for aa because of pacific)
-Alaska (who knows)

What makes me nervous is AA uping the stakes for US Airways or most of all - going after NorthWest because of the pacific.

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User currently offlineHARTSFIELD From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

I think American Airlines, and Northwest should merge, and Delta, and Continental merge.

User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

My prediction is AA/NW/ALK and CAL/DAL/AWA. Both of these mergers would create airlines larger than UA/US.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Delta and CO will never happen, there is a lot of bad blood between these two. A few years ago Delta wanted to 'merge' with CO but it was nixed when CO found out that Delta just wanted to take over CO for the planes and not much else.

User currently offlineAirNondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

First, what I would eliminate...

AA/AS not, American recently bought reno air who shared a similar but smaller route system to Alaska. It would not make sense for AA to buy Alaska when they haven't exactly expanded or even made the best of reno's old routes.

DL/CO not likely, I have heard the bad blood line from many and can't see their routes fitting well at all (imagine the fight over the predominant hub, DFW vs. IAH, and CVG vs. CLE).

Now, what would work...

CO/NW/AS good fit, they already canvas the country with their on/off codeshares, with not too many conflicts. Just check out their map http://www.continental.com/tis/

NW would be a good match for either AA or DL. In such a deal DL or AA would gain Asia, while NW would get a signifcant eastern / southern / and beyond presence.

And finally, DL & AS seem like a good fit. Delta would gain great north-south presence on the west to match their similar service on the east. One obstacle, DL would have a tough time convicing Alaska's loyal customers that absorbing their airline is for the better.

Now with whom to invest?...

~mtc


User currently offlineEuroschu From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Should be interesting --- the ultimate mergers will be:

UAL/USelessAir
DL/CO
NWA/AWA/ALK
AA/Remanants

Let's see how this puppy barks. AA is the definite loser in any merger scenerio.

I laugh & cry at all of this... but in the end there will be 3 majors ...

United
Delta
American

All the rest will be "bye.bye". Split them as you will ...

Stupid move by UAL (H-E-L-L-O unions). DL will be the winner. AA is really screwed. (BA????) After this fiasco --- say goodbye to AA/BA.

Star
AF/DL/AM/Korean/Thai/AZ
AA/Qualifier
BA/KLM/MAS & nothing else. H-E-L-L-O Air India





User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

H-E-L-L-O? Art thou high?


Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1665 times:

Don't rule out Delta-American. Their fleets are nearly identical (both of 738, 757, 767, 777, MD-80), and their locations would benefit each other. Delta in the east, where AA is weak, and AA out west, where DL is weak. These two airlines could nicely complement each other.

Jeff


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 1655 times:

TWA needs someone to buy them out with the financial problems they are having.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 1643 times:
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DL-AA wouldn't ever happen - there is way too much rivalry there. The only reason that UAL-US is happening is that they had a deal before and United is in a spendhappy mood these days.

It's true that DL-AA would be easy from a fleet perspective, but look at what would result:

Hubs: CVG, ATL, SLC, LAX (sorta), ORD, MIA, JFK, but the real problem is DFW: talk about a fortress hub now... UAL-US aren't doing this (having a merger with a common hub). Can you say antitrust? AA is already in it deep with Vanguard at DFW. The only way this could happen is with major divestiture at DFW, which could kill the deal in and of itself. Plus, there's still little penetration (except the shuttle) in the Northeast.

Int'l: AA strong to Europe/Latin America, DL strong to Europe/Latin America. Still no vision for Asia, where the growth will be.

That combo, while formidable domestically, wouldn't really do anything else. US-UAL (which is a strong airline taking over a relatively weak one) accomplishes more.


User currently offlineTexairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

I think NW and AA is the best possibility escpecially considering
Europe with BA and KL. This would tend to favor a NW and AA marriage to
battle against Mega-United and Star?

Possible issues I think if AA and NW were to hypothetically happen:

NW would be known as AA (+, gets rid of recent bad press and removes
regional title)

AA would have access to Asia (+)

AA would have a partial Airbus fleet (+ or -, depends on your view, mine
would be a negative, but its only A320 family)

AA would have a Memphis hub (+)

AA would have 3 northern hubs (-, Winter would SUCK in Minneapolis,
Chicago, and Detroit)

AA/NW and BA/KL would consolidate (+, if you're Oneworld)


User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Delta has been eyeing up expansion in PHX for some time, so don't be suprised if America West in combination with another carrier will be a move. Possible hub relocation of SLC after the olympics? Good possiblity!! SLC is known for very high fuel and tax costs!! The yields arn't there!!

User currently offlineOflove13 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

I read in the Paper today that NW was interested in CO. and i was talking to someone with TWA and he said they are rummors of TWA and AW merging but who know they are Rummors...

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

I see DL and CO combining. It almost happened a couple of years ago but the deal fell through. I think DL management learned a lot from that missed opportunity and will not let CO slip through their fingers again. I don't think NW and AA will link--NW seems like too big a pill for AA to swallow. Maybe AA will acquire TW or America West. I think NW will acquire Alaska AIrlines.

User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

NW and AA would be perfect,
AA would have more of a northern hub, NW would have a southern hub,
NW is strong in asia, AA strong in latin america,europe,weak in asia NW,weak in europe,Latin america
some fleet commonalities(727,dc-9 series,757,dc-10)
and for NW, it would delete the bad record and troubles that they had.



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineRWally From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 555 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

According to Bloomberg, AMR might fight back in Washington. It also said that it would be good for AMR to buy Northwest, America West, or Alaska. Mentioned also is Delta trying for Continental or America West.

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