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United 747 On Tail At SFO  
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38445 times:

There is a United 747 on its tail here at SFO. Its over at "Super Bay" hanger. I can get out of the office to get pics, but local spotter could see it from the bay side. Apparently some pins were not in place and the plane was put into flight mode by the mechanics. Let you knwo more when I get it!

ASSFO


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38341 times:

Just saw it on the news, one in the new colours as well, doesn't look healthy!

User currently offlineQQFLYER28 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38309 times:

Quoting AS739X (Thread starter):

I just saw it on Channel 2, looks like it is rotating. Someone is going to catch hell for it.


User currently offlineGamps From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38301 times:

Just heard it on Morning News - they said it is a "strange sight".

It was a NRT bound flight which returned due to hydraulic problems yesterday. At mid-night the tail started sinking apparently - it was so slow that crews did not realize that tail is sinking. They are now placing airbags to lift it.

That is the summary of what I heard on KGO.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2357 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38189 times:

Anybody have any pics?


"Drunk drivers run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38117 times:

FRASpotter: My friend got some on his phone, but there not good quality. Some of out mechanics may go over there in a little while, but the plane may be upright by then. I'll search around.

One of our crew that just arrived from the hotel said you can see it ffrom the freeway!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38087 times:

I've seen this happen twice. Both times the body gear retracted inadvertantly due to procedures not followed.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38072 times:

Just saw it on CNN. Boy, UAL just can't catch a brake. I'm sure Jay Leno and D. Letterman will be on top of that one.

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 38028 times:

Jeebus. And it had to be in the n/c as well. Great for PR.

/// U N I T E D is R I S I N G


(gotta make the situation a little light-hearted  Wink )

Link with pics:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=3353533





[Edited 2005-08-16 15:50:48]

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 37878 times:

The tail just sinking doesn't sound right!

Accoring to some UA mechanics our supervisor talked to, the plane didn't have by-pass pin in the gear while doing a gear inspection. When the gear lever was place in the retract position the plane went into flight mode. Which make more sense and has happened before.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 37775 times:

This happens more often than you think. Usually, someone moved the CG aft. This could have been done by fuel transfer.

Maybe following the checklist is in order here?

Now they have to be very careful to right the airplane without damaging it.

BTW, this also happened recently at PDX to a Capital Cargo B-727-200F.


User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 37311 times:

Putting the gear handle up will not place the aircraft in air mode. Pulling circuit breakers or installing targets/slugs will do that. But placing an aircraft in air mode will not cause the aircraft to do anything with the gear.

What MAY have happened is that maintenance was looking for a hydraulic leak and failed to pin the gear. The handle was moved into the up position and the bodygear retracted, or began to retract. An empty B747 will tip to the tail if the body gear retracts and the front end is not ballasted.

Been there, seen that, can write the book.


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 37165 times:

I bet someone will be out on their tail after this!

User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 36753 times:

Quoting QQFLYER28 (Reply 2):
looks like it is rotating.

Yeah, but the wings are drooping down, which makes it look kind of wierd.

How much damage is usually sustained in this kind of accident?



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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 36590 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 13):
Yeah, but the wings are drooping down, which makes it look kind of wierd.

How much damage is usually sustained in this kind of accident?

If the a/c was actucally resting on the tail, probally fuselage skin, rear pressure bulkhead and internal structure damage at worst. But I believe RPB damage is taken very seriously after a crash of a 747 in Asia, due to the RPB failing.


-Dan



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 36426 times:
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Well guess it is true that UA is top heavy when it comes to upper management.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35983 times:

I hope the plane doesn't get written off because it is the only B747-400 in new colors!


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35879 times:

Does this 744 fly flight 770?
I'll be pissed if there is an equipment change on my flight next week!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35856 times:

Both times I saw this happen the APU doors were replaced and an aft drain mast. Some substructure around the APU doors was also repaired. We also inpected the maingear attach fittings.

User currently offlineOURBOEING From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35836 times:

Here is a video:

http://cbs5.com/video/?cid=130

OURBOEING


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35534 times:

Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 19):
Here is a video:

http://cbs5.com/video/?cid=130

OURBOEING

You can hear someone towards the end say that the landing gear wasn't pinned, confirming what was said earlier. They give a closeup of the aft fuselage right at the end and it doesn't look like there is too much, if any damage to the fuselage, but I'm sure they'll be checking throughly.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35443 times:

Press release on the Gate:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...cle/archive/2005/08/16/BAjet16.DTL


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 35124 times:

I have an image in my head of a cigar-chomping George Kennedy cussing out the ground crew guys for not pinning the landing gear. Big grin


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 34910 times:

AZMD11....don't be silly. This will not be a write off. The damage is not going to be that bad. Specially if it slowly went down like witness claim. This happen often like boom said!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 329 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 34138 times:

I can just hear someone shouting... 'Get Me Patroni!'

- Ron
Western DC-10-10



Western Airlines - The Only Way To Fly
25 N328KF : Not me. Were it me in that situation, I would shout, "Get me Patrón!"
26 N471WN : The plane is N196UA.....
27 Roots : I just came back from Bayfront Park. The airplane is visible from there but due to the distance and terrible heat haze, I couldn't get any worthy phot
28 Post contains links and images Roots : Here's a shot:
29 Stargoldlhr : Anyone know which a/c this is ?
30 AS739X : I just came back from over there. There is no visible damage to the back side. No ripples or anything. There is however a leak of some kind on the rig
31 Bazzaldonbond : THE AIRCRAFT IS N196UA
32 CWAFlyer : You'll be even more pissed if the flight cancels instead.
33 Superfly : True!
34 Jetter2 : When a aircraft rolls on its tail is it really that damaging to it? Once they wright it again, is alot of structural intregrity lost or something? I f
35 Ua777222 : Just got off the phone with my uncle. It appears as though this aircraft will be out of service for some time. He hasn't taken time to go and inspect
36 Jeb94 : There are inspections that are required but usually the damage isn't that severe. It'll be out of service for several days but will probably be back f
37 Philb : New B747 sub type B747-422TW Tail draggers are best!
38 ChrisNH : I'm shocked that UAL gave the media access to film that TV piece. You know, 'the media' that can't tell a 747 from a tangerine. 'The media' that no on
39 Superfly : Well it's kind of hard to hide a 747-400 laying on it's tail out in the open. People are going to ask questions and speculate. That can be more damag
40 Post contains images TFSPhoto : Heres another shot: Lew
41 B707Stu : PERFECT. An airliner after my own heart!
42 SMF757 : LOL
43 Post contains images Aussieindc : You can just see all the red faces now!!!!!
44 Post contains images AirTranTUS : In the ABC 7 video the reporter said that it was on its tail because the hydraulics in the tail section failed. Can anyone tell me how the hydraulics
45 Post contains images FlyingTexan : to the power of 3...
46 TropicBird : The story I heard is that they pinned the gear, but put the "body" gear pins in the "wrong hole" and then put the gear handle "up" to check for a hydr
47 Jumbojim747 : When the PanAm aircraft that struck the lighting pilons on takeoff landed and everyone was out the aircraft started to sink backwards and ended up on
48 Jc5280 : I have some up-close pictures that were sent to me by someone who works there. I think a mechanic took them but will send them to someone to post if s
49 Apollo13 : I dont see why since it was OVER SEATTLE at the time, why did it not just divert to KSEA?!?!? Doesnt that make more sense that flying all the f*ck way
50 UA772IAD : What do you all mean by "pinning the gear"? Is that a safety mechanism that locks the gear handle in the cockpit and prevents it from any accidental e
51 Romeokc10fe : Wasn't there a 747 lost within the last three years or so that broke up in flight over the Pacific, they said that airplane had suffered a tail strike
52 Post contains images AKelley728 : Uhh, maybe because UAL has a MAINTENANCE base at SFO?
53 Post contains links SFORunner : http://psg.com/N196UA/DSCN1718.jpg.html
54 N1120A : Anyone else notice that it was the first 744 in the new colors that fell on its a$$?
55 Post contains images Ikramerica : You'd think such a respected user who loves to correct other people would bother to read the whole thread where this is already mentioned...
56 Post contains images Trekster : Not very good. Great looking aircraft, that livery suits it well. Hope she is up and flying again soon (Flying properly, not as she is now)
57 Post contains images LorM : I read something of a similar situation in Airways or Airliners in one of the editorial sections, of a story some mx guy going up into the cockpit of
58 Air2gxs : The pins are a safety device installed in the main gear over-center mechanism (usually). They mechanically prevent the gear from retracting. They all
59 AS739X : Akelly, you see just about the whole UAL 747 fleet through SFO in a week. This is were most the non-high check mx is done. Why would you divert to Sea
60 N1120A : I did, but rather bleary eyed on the tail end of 2 long days of driving.
61 An-225 : Superfly, as far as I know, your flight 770 is still a 744. Email/call for details. Alex.
62 Post contains images Superfly : Thanks An-225. This photo made the front page of the San Francisco Examiner.
63 Trex8 : CI had an almost brand new 744F which sat on its tail due to some cg problem, it was flying again very soon but the gear weren't pulled up on that one
64 Post contains links Dan2002 : www.photobucket.com or www.imageshack.us -Dan
65 LTBEWR : At least only the a/c got hurt, not any wrench turners. It does look dumb though. Perhaps some refresher courses to the MX department about proper pro
66 Post contains images Efohdee :
67 Jtamu97 : Captain Speaking: Folks we would like to welcome you aboard flight XX non stop to Tokyo. Due to the rising cost of fuel and the airline financial situ
68 Comorin : Vr = 0 can only mean one thing - this is UA's new V/STOL service....
69 Kdeg00 : So what is the report on the final damage? Does anybody have a timeframe for repair and return to service. Flying through SFO tomorrow will it still b
70 AS739X : Kdeg: Per a friend at UAL MX is that Boeing is down to fix it. Heard nothing else! ASSFO
71 Kdeg00 : Thanks AS739X, I'll keep my eyes peeled tomorrow.
72 TropicBird : The word I heard is $6 million in damage. Body gear may be permanently damaged but wing gear are repairable with gear castings shot and fuselage suppo
73 Kaniksu : That's sad... What a beautiful plane.
74 UN_B732 : Does United still have enough 744s to carry on ops? I know they've made one trans-con a 763 with a trailing 319, but I'm not sure about the others. I
75 Squirrel83 : Sounds like its better to scrape it. Kinda excited to see what they will do with this 747. . and/or if they pull a plane out of the desert to fill it
76 SafetyDude : There was a great day picture up on Myaviation.net, but I cannot find it for the life of me. Also, some airlines have a device that is placed under th
77 Hoya : What does this mean? I mean, is this something that cannot be repaired? If so, wouldn't scrapping then be the only option? Or is it simply that the a
78 TropicBird : It means...Instead of being able to repair the actual "body" landing gear (the 747 has (2) wing & (2) body landing gear ea.) they will have to be scra
79 Hoya : Thanks TropicBird! Now it makes sense. Once again, thanks for the explanation!
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