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Which Routes Still See 747-200s And -300s?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2408 posts, RR: 21
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

After some research, I found that the following airlines still operate 747-200s and/or -300s. Can anyone tell me on which routes they are being used?

Boeing 747-300:

Air Atlanta Icelandic
Air France
Air India
Focus Air
Japan Airlines
Japan Asia Airways
Korean Air Lines
Orient Thai Airlines
Phuket Airlines
PIA Pakistan International Airlines
Polar Air Cargo
Pullmantur Air
Saudi Arabian Airlines
Saudi Arabian Government
Surinam Airways
TAAG - Linhas Aereas de Angola Airlines
Thai Airways International
Travel City Direct

Boeing 747-200:

Aerolineas Argentinas
Air Atlanta Europe
Air Atlanta Icelandic
Air Bangladesh
Air Bridge Cargo (Freighter)
Air China (Freighter)
Air France (Pax + Freighter)
Air India
Air Plus Comet
Air Universal
Alitalia (Freighter)
All Nippon Airways
Atlas Air (Freighter)
Cargo Air Lines (Freighter)
Cathay Pacific Airways (Freighter)
Dragonair (Freighter)
El Al Israel Airlines
European Aircharter
Evergreen International Airlines
Garuda Indonesia
Iran Air
IRS Airlines
Japan Airlines
Japan Asia Airways
Kabo Air
Kalitta Air (Freighter)
Korean Air Lines (Freighter)
Logistic Air
Malaysia Airlines (Freighter)
Martinair Holland (Pax + Freighter)
MK Airlines (Freighter)
Nippon Cargo Airlines (Freighter)
Northeast Airlines
Northwest Airlines (Pax + Freighter)
Ocean Airlines (Freighter)
Orient Thai Airlines
Phuket Airlines
PIA Pakistan International Airlines
Polar Air Cargo (Freighter)
Pullmantur Air
Royal Air Maroc
Saha Airlines Services
Saudi Arabian Airlines
Southern Air Transport (Freighter)
Southern Winds
Tradewinds Airlines (Freighter)
Transaero Airlines
United Parcel Service (UPS) (Freighter)
Virgin Atlantic Airways

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34613 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7392 times:

Iberia's 747-300 is used on MIA-MAD.

User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Surinam Airways AMS - PBM 747-300 (ex KLM) pax
Martinair 747-300 cargo ex AMS (ex KLM)
Kalitta 747-200 (?) cargo ex AMS
JAL 747-200 (?) cargo ex AMS

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6618 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Iberia's 747-300 is used on MIA-MAD.

I love that flight. Wooden overhead bins!


[Edited 2005-08-16 19:42:15]

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User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Air Pullmantur B747-300: MAD-HEL

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3375 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

JL 742/743:

EG 742:

NW 742:

KE 743:

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User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

PIA operate their 743s into LHR, presumably from ISB(?)

User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Iran Air

Iran Air has weird A/C utilization...but for sure they use it on THR-LHR, THR-FRA, and I have seen pictures of leased 742's doing THR-CPH recently. I believe they also use it THR-ARN, THR-CDG, and perhaps on the China route (although I have only seen SP's)...


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7290 times:


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Gotta love JO and TG baby... old planes and hot dames! What's with this A340-500 crap TG is trying to push on us? We don't need any IFE, we just need some TTM!

*TTM = Thai Traditional Massage

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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Here's your sign...

Airline Northwest
Flight Number 1
Departure City (Airport) Los Angeles, CA (LAX)
Departure Time 08/16/2005 01:40 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Tokyo, Japan (RJAA)
Arrival Time 08/17/2005 04:37 PM
Remaining Flight Time 10:57 (scheduled)
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Scheduled

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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

TAAG (Linhas Aereas de Angola Airlines)




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User currently offlineBambicruz From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

Royal Air Maroc hasn't operated the 747-200 for a few years now.

Last time I checked RAM's last 742 was on storage at CMN.

F*** Me Im Famous!
User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

CX and Dragonair operate into MAN via DXB ex HKG

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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Orient thai 747 i believe 200 series is currently a frequent visitor at Accra (i believe it not daily). not sure who it's flying for but i believe its on behalf of LH as they have the same take off tmes and didnt notice LH at the airport.
i might be wrong

Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3164 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

HNL gets its share of 742s by JL, NW, EZ, 5X and K4. JL and QF use 743s @ HNL.

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User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

I believe AI operate the 743s to Tokyo. I think these aircraft transit BKK on their way there. 743s also used to operate to FRA until quite recently, and this service might still operate. I think the AI 742s see some service to Japan, but mostly used as a backup. I'm sure some of the AI folk will update this info in the morning when they read the link!

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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 6285 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

QF operate B743 regularly on the following:

SYD-NRT(daily), SYD-BOM(3 weekly), SYD-HNL(3 weekly) & SYD-AKL, also domestically on SYD-PER & ?MEL-PER? There are currently 5 aircraft active and one in storage, VH-EBV.


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User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Current operations by 742/3 at LHR are:

PK to Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad
CX 74F to Dubai and Hong Kong
IR to Tehran
JL 74F to Anchorage and Narita
AI 742/3 to Bombay (Very occasionally due to the recent increase in flights from LHR to India)
RB 74L to Damascus
LY to Tel Aviv

Not that many visit these days. Corrections welcome.

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

OX flies


Often but not scheduled:


UTJ operated as wet lease to Ghana Airways, that deal should be history by now.

Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1835 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

Air Atlanta's 743s (TF-ATI, TF-ATJ) operate the MAD-MIA-MAD route on behalf of Iberia (Aircraft and cockpit crews are Air Atlanta´s, while cabin crews are Iberia's).

However, Iberia has been forced to use the A346s, 744s (wet leased from Air Atlanta too) or lease a 743 from Air Pullmantur for the MIA flights since the 743s have been plagued with technical problems.

This has caused some serious disruptions and I think IB should reconsider their "business relationship" with Air Atlanta if the Icelandic company's maintenance cannot be trusted since there is a rumour saying that the 744s (TF-AMA, TF-AMB) seem to be having problems quite often too.

For the 99,9% of the customers, this is bad press for IB and not for Air Atlanta since what they see is an aircraft painted in Iberia colours, even though IB is not responsible for these aircraft's maintenance.

About IB's 747-200s, they stopped flying last May. The last 742 on IB's fleet (EC-DIB) made it's last revenue flight on May 1st on the MAD-TFN route, but was hit at TFN by a ground handling vehicle during turnaround so it wasn't able to made the return flight to MAD (which was supposed to be it's last flight anyway). Passengers were sent to MAD on a replacement aircraft while EC-DIB was repaired and later ferried back to Barajas with no pax...in a sad an undeserved final after 25 years of reliable service.

Iberia and AENA (Spanish Airports Authority) are negotiating the possibility of placing one of those 742s on permanent exhibition right next to the new Terminal 4 at Madrid-Barajas airport.

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2408 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6698 times:


thanks for the informative post.

Just slightly off-topic: can you explain to me why Iberia uses the newer, longer range 744 on MAD-TFN, but uses the 743 for longer routes such as MAD-MIA? It seems a "surprising" allocation of aircraft...

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1835 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6591 times:


To be honest, I don't know. It would also make more sense to me if it was the other way around...743s for the TFN flights and 744s for the MIA flights.

About their cabin configurations, the 743s were initially fitted with 100% Iberia interiors (F/C/Y seats, curtains, cabin dividers, etc) when they joined the fleet in late 2000/early 2001, being the the upper deck used for First Class, the first and second lower deck sections for Business Class, and the remaining sections (3,4,5) for economy. These aircraft have not and will not recieve the new seats/cabin configuration (Business/economy...no First Class anymore) that is being applied to the entire A340-300/600 fleet as they are supposed to leave the fleet soon.

The 744s feature an all-economy class lower deck and Business Class seats on the upper deck and they did not recieve any change to their cabin interiors when they joined the fleet. They feature the same seats they had when flying with their previous operator (SQ) and only seat covers with the IB cloth colors were installed. That's why you will see that these aircraft feature PTVs in economy class although in IB they only show the same program that is being shown on the main screens.

That could be a reason for the route assignment...the 743s cabins are better configured for long flights.

The 744s are mainly used on the MAD-TFN-MAD and MAD-HAV-MAD flights although they have also operated flights to MIA, SDQ and SJO when a replacement aircraft has been needed.

Both 743s (TF-ATI and TF-ATJ) were originally delivered brand new to Varig in 1988 and were registered as PP-VOB and PP-VOC.

Varig used them until early 2000 when they went to ILFC for just a few days before going to Air Atlanta.

The 744s (TF-AMA and TF-AMB) were originally delivered brand new to Singapore Airlinres in 1989 and were registered as 9V-SMC and 9V-SME.

Quoting Mozart (Reply 21):
Iberia uses the newer, longer range 744

As you can see, the 743s are only 1 year older than the 744s.

I have flown on all of them (TF-ATI, TF-ATJ, TF-AMA, TF-AMB) and if you want my opinion all of them don't look well kept on the inside, with the 743s looking worse.

That's a big contrast when compared with the A340 fleet.

What IB should do if they really need an aircraft bigger than the A346 for certain routes (forget the A380..it would be too big) is to BUY a few used 744s, put them into the hangars for a couple of months and overhaul them completely, also replacing all their interiors with new elements (777-looking interiors as those featured in the 744ER would be great) and installing the new seats that are currently being installed on the A340 fleet...just my opinion.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5549 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

QF also operate the 743 on SYD/BNE-MNL. VH-EBU is in storage rather that EBV.

User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6492 times:

Hi Smile

TG operate B747-300 every other day BKK-CPH and also on some flights BKK-ROM. They also use the B743 on domestic flights to HKT as well as Asian flights.

I have flown the TG B747-300 on the CPH-BKK run twice, lovely aircraft with a bery roomy cabin and great 34" seatpitch in Economy.


Just love flying
25 United Airline : Has QF finished upgrading their B 747-300s and 400s? If not, how many left? Will Nalanji be upgraded as well? Will QF's B 747-300s get AVOD/new busine
26 N1120A : VS no longer flies the 742 Configuration mostly, though I can see the case for using the more efficient 744 on shorter routes where they have fewer s
27 JAGflyer : PIA 743s operate the ISB/KHI-MAN-JFK route El Al 742 pax (in old colors!) operates charters such as Birthright Israel and March of the Living.
28 Mozart : What is this? Which routes does this involve?
29 FlySSC : Mozart, Air France doesn't operate anymore B747-200 PAX. The last aircraft, F-GCBJ, was retired last June. Only 8 B747F are still in service and shou
30 Karan69 : Air India operate the 743s on the BOM-DEL-BKK or BOM-DEL-HKG-KIX route, but their schedule keeps changing by the day. Their 747-200s have stopped sche
31 United Airline : Thanks for the info. But when? Also will Nalangi be upgraded? And they finished their upgrades on the entire B 747-300 and 400 fleet?
32 BSBIsland : Also LAD-GIG-LAD now becoming 2xweek with 74D Rgs
33 Marambio : Aerolíneas Argentinas is currently phasing out all its 742s. They still operate some of the EZE-MAD flights, some EZE-MIA and occasional domestic cha
34 AirAmericaC46 : I love 747 threads! PK uses 743 on ISB-BKK-HKG According to OAG, classic 747 is used on AH routes to CDG and Marseilles and also TU routes to CDG And
35 Post contains images N908AW : Saudi Airlines flew a 743 into RST the other day... but that's just a charter.
36 Soups : OX 747 flew for GH to Dusseldorf, London (i believe both Gatwick and Heathow). not sure if they flew to USA or HAM AND fco
37 Planemannyc : Dhaka (DAC) in Bangladesh gets 11 weekly 747-100,200,and -300 flights on Saudi Arabian Airlines. I believe it's 4x 741, 4x 742 and 3 x 743. Routing ar
38 LO231 : Occasionally, TLV-WAW, too. regards, LO231
39 JAGflyer : March of the Living is a trip for young people to go to Poland to see and hold a tribute to those who were killed in the Aushwitz concentration camp.
40 Lufthansa747 : OX did not operate any GH flights to the U.S. Until recently, only HS-UTK was equipped with the new-style cockpit door. They have since installed that
41 AirAmericaC46 : Thank you Soups and Lufthansa747 for the data. What type of 747 was used on the Accra-Dusseldorf-London routes?? I am correcting my previous data. I h
42 Afterburner : GA doesn't use 742 anymore for few years.
43 Post contains links and images AlitaliaMD11 : Pullmantur Air has regular scheduled flights to Cancun and one other destination and flies charters for other airlines. Currently I think they have 1
44 Kesflyer : Corsair Summer Charters ORY-ATH, ORY-HER 747-300 Pullmantur Summer Charters MAD-ATH 747-200 El Al Summer Charters TLV-ATH 747-300 Just a few I can thi
45 Post contains links and images IBERIA747 : TF-ARS is a PW-powered 743 that has been seen here in several occasions but it's not with Air Pullmantur. It has operated some flights for other airl
46 Joelatbsl : QF uses the 747-300 on one domestic flight from SYD to PER to bring it there for some international flights to Singapore. El Al's pax 747-200 has been
47 EZEIZA : Not entirely. The airline is still around, but only flying domestic flights with 2 732's (LV-YGB and LV-ZZA), but you are correct that they have susp
48 Swissgabe : Some examples: TG 743 BKK-FCO vv. KE 743 sometimes on the ICN-BKK vv. JL 743, just flew it on a BKK-NRT sector JL 743 / 742 intra Asia flights and som
49 AirxLiban : I think QF flies the 743 on SIN-BNE-SYD as well...
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