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GOL And Copa Code-share  
User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Just been announced, GOL and COPA will start a code share as for August 24th.
GOL pax will have connection options trough Tocumen Airport in Panama
1st part of the share will be connect pax from GIG and GRU to Tocumen and then to the rest of the Americas.

As GOL does not have a FF program, probably FF miles won´t be credited.

Can anybody add something to add?
How about Copa and CO code share, how will this be with GOL now?


Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
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User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Thread starter):
1st part of the share will be connect pax from GIG and GRU to Tocumen and then to the rest of the Americas.

Since GOL's presence in GRU and GIG is nowhere near strong as in CGH I don't think this codeshare agreement is not going to generate that many conection options...

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Here is a link to the story:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aaOo4LoRCP6A&refer=latin_america

Quoting Neo (Reply 1):
Since GOL's presence in GRU and GIG is nowhere near strong as in CGH I don't think this codeshare agreement is not going to generate that many conection options...

Better than nothing!

MGA



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2778 times:

This sounds to me like another step toward GOL being made an associate member of Skyteam. They have already been reportedly in talks with AF about codesharing as well. I think we may soon hear of GOL adopting one of the Skyteam FF programs (AF or CO I would expect) and joining on an associate basis.

User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2761 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
have already been reportedly in talks with AF about codesharing as well

Haven't they also been in talks with Delta?



LooneyToon
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 4):
Haven't they also been in talks with Delta?

Likely, but I have not seen anything authoritatve on that matter.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting Neo (Reply 1):
Since GOL's presence in GRU and GIG is nowhere near strong as in CGH I don't think this codeshare agreement is not going to generate that many conection options...

True, but GOL has some really nice looking (at least from the outside) Buses with a B737 nose section painted on it's sides which shuttles back and forth between CGH and GRU.

Not ideal, but you work with what you got.

Cheers,
PPVRA



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting MGA (Reply 2):
Better than nothing!

Correct. The intention of the codeshare, at its first stage, is to provide CM's pax in GRU with connections to/from GIG. At a second stage other connections will be developed.

Rgs,


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
GRU with connections to/from GIG. At a second stage other connections will be developed.

actually is not only GIG, is the destinations served from GRU, and that includes GIG.
And what about CM and CO, will G3 have a piece of that?



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Interesting.
Rightnow GOL's GRU-GIG-GRU flights are the one most preffered connections for CM GRU flights (except the 0430h departure). I could foresee GOL's CNF, BSB, SSA, POA, CWB flights connecting with CM @ GRU in the near future.
I don't know the exact details of the Panama-Brazil aviaton agreement, but I do know that now CM only is allowed to fly to GRU, GIG and MAO; As for Brazilan airlines, in this case GOL, I don't know if they're allowed to fly from other brazilian airports than the ones mentioned above to PTY. GOL is flying within Southamerica so it wouldn't be so strange if in the near future they fly from a major Brazilian airport to PTY to feed CM hub.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 9):
GOL is flying within Southamerica so it wouldn't be so strange if in the near future they fly from a major Brazilian airport to PTY to feed CM hub

You can be sure that this is behind GOL's strategy to link up with CM.

Rgs,


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 9):
GOL is flying within Southamerica so it wouldn't be so strange if in the near future they fly from a major Brazilian airport to PTY to feed CM hub.

I guess that´s what their doing, "hubing"@GRU and CM sending the pax to PTY and then trough their system.

what are the timetables of CM Brasilian flights?
Also, does CM fly to EZE?

The way I see it, good for both.



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11):
Also, does CM fly to EZE?

Yes they do. I believe that flight is the longest 737 scheduled flight in the world.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 11):
what are the timetables of CM Brasilian flights?

PTY 1100 > GRU 2000
PTY 1930 > GRU 0430
GRU 0430 > PTY 0930
GRU 1300 > PTY 1800
Their EZE flights have the same schedule.
Because the way CM hub is set and the flyingtimes to GRU/EZE when they 1st started to fly to those destinations their B737-700 had to stay parked 16 hours in the airports.
If CM would think of flying to GIG, SSA and POA they'll encounter the same problem trying to fit those flights to their hub hours; however destinations like BSB, BEL, FOR and maybe CNF, CWB could have flights departing PTY 1930-2000h, arriving 0900-0930h next day.
There're talks in Panama that before CM flies to GIG they're to fly to MAO 2-3 times per week with E190. Unless CM have a good reliable partner in Brazil (like GOL) those MAO flight can't be used as back up to their GRU and offer good domestic connections in Brazil out of MAO (BEL, BSB?)



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 13):
PTY 1100 > GRU 2000 GRU 1300 > PTY 1800

those flitghs have good connections timing.
I saw on CM website that they do flight to EZE, thx ayway

About the other Brasilian connections, I´m not so in favor of that.
I think it´s better for CM to have GRU and MAO and maybe another destination, and then leave the dirty work for GOL to do it.
But then, it all depends on how yelds are on the fligths to Brasil, specially places like FOR, REC and GIG.



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
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Erik,

There's a lot of room for Copa in Rio and other cities. They are nowadays one of the two best ways to get in California for example (better than AA, UA, CO, DL and only RG is ahead with their non stop GIG-GRU-LAX).
Also, some islands in the caribean could be reached by Copa network, in a way better than connections thru MIA.
But they have to improve their product to US before that, and only on that time we can see Copa improving their south network.

Rgds
Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
But they have to improve their product to US before that, and only on that time we can see Copa improving their south network.

The CO - CM ownership arrangement goes far, but If CM is to offer a good product, CM MUST fly themselves to Northamerican destinations like YYZ, YUL, SFO/OAK, LAS, PHX, DFW, IAH, SAT, MSY, ORD, DTW, IAD/BWI, BOS/PVD, ATL, RDU, 3-4 new destinations in Florida and 2-3 new destinations in México; They just can't let all their connecting traffic to the major Northamerican cites via IAH and EWR.
WHILE they grow in the North, an increase in their southamerican, Caribbean network (Guyana, Suriname, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay and quite a number of cities in Brazil - with GOL?, Argentina, Perú and Venezuela) should be underway.
They've to keep growing evenly on both Northamerica/Caribbean and Central/Southamerica.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 16):
WHILE they grow in the North, an increase in their southamerican, Caribbean network (Guyana, Suriname, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay and quite a number of cities in Brazil - with GOL?, Argentina, Perú and Venezuela) should be underway.
They've to keep growing evenly on both Northamerica/Caribbean and Central/Southamerica

Agree, but only if they can offer connections for Brazilians for example. We all know Brazil x Panama market is really little and Copa sells conections. Gol could improve and makes easier Brazilians can use Copa (specially thru agents), and they focus on partnerships (they are negotiating with AF and DL to connect pax to/from GIG for other cities) but it demands also connections from Panama.

Rgds
Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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