DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
As it seemed to be an informative post once before here is the current list of cities a DL passenger can reach being shuttled through their dominant ATL hub. Only 209 destinations are listed as there is 2 yet to be announced (one though has been revealed). I pulled off GUC as it doesn't appear as though DL will return to this seasonal skiers destination. Also in the coming months HKY may lose their service knocking it down a notch, but 210 is still impressive and there is no sign the list will stop growing.
ABE
ABQ
ABY
AEX
AGS
ALB
AMS
ANC
APF
ATW
AUA
AUS
AVL
AVP
AZO
BCN
BDA
BDL
BGI
BHM
BNA
BOG
BOI
BOS
BQK
BRU
BTR
BUF
BUR
BWI
BZE
CAE
CAK
CCS
CDG
CHA
CHO
CHS
CLE
CLT
CMH
COS
CRP
CRW
CSG
CUN
CVG
CZM
DAB
DAY
DCA
DEN
DFW
DHN
DSM
DTW
DUB
EGE
ELP
EVV
EWR
EYW
EZE
FAY
FCO
FLL
FLO
FNT
FPO
FRA
FWA
GCM
GDL
GIG
GNV
GPT
GRR
GRU
GSO
GSP
GTR
GUA
HDN
HKY
HNL
HOU
HPN
HSV
IAD
IAH
ICT
ILM
IND
ISO
ISP
JAC
JAN
JAX
JFK
LAN
LAS
LAX
LEX
LFT
LGA
LGW
LIM
LIR
LIT
LWB
LYH
MAD
MAN
MBJ
MCI
MCN
MCO
MDT
MDW
MEI
MEM
MEX
MGM
MHT
MIA
MKE
MLB
MLI
MLU
MOB
MSP
MSY
MTY
MUC
MXP
MYR
NAS
NRT
OAK
OKC
OMA
ONT
ORD
ORF
PBI
PDX
PFN
PHF
PHL
PHX
PIA
PIT
PLS
PNS
PSP
PTY
PUJ
PVD
PWM
RDU
RIC
RNO
ROA
ROC
RSW
SAL
SAN
SAT
SAV
SBN
SCL
SDF
SDQ
SEA
SFO
SHV
SJC
SJD
SJO
SJU
SLC
SMF
SNA
SNN
SRQ
STL
STR
STT
STX
SVO
SXM
SYR
TLH
TOL
TPA
TRI
TUL
TUP
TUS
TYS
UVF
VLD
VPS
XNA
YOW
YUL
YVR
YYZ
ZRH
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6089 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
A possible BK filing might be one sign. If DL is forced into CH11 and possibly forced to accelerate aircraft retirement, I expect you will see a few routes chopped.
Nonetheless, it is an impressive list. It is truly amazing how many cities you can reach via just a single connection in ATL. If only DL had another hub like ATL, I think they would be in better financial shape. Unfortunately, DL's other two hubs are much smaller and too reliant on connecting traffic.
SLC seems to be having a small renaissance as DL is adding a lot of destinations and even a good number of mainline flights. CVG seems to be stagnating as more mainline flights are lost and some destinations cut (MDW, HOU, SWF, MLI, ICT).
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2): Or is there another one coming soon?
There is another. PVR I don't believe has been finalized.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
Wont do them much good unless they get out of the financial mess really soon, either through chapter 11 or a merger or something.
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3733 times:
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3): A possible BK filing might be one sign. If DL is forced into CH11 and possibly forced to accelerate aircraft retirement, I expect you will see a few routes chopped.
I don't expect to see any ATL routes chopped. Most routes that could potentially lose service due to aircraft retirements can be supplemented with DCI service.
The only potential cities I see are ones you mentioned (HOU and MDW) and that would simply be due to consolidation due to little presence in the markets
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4038 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
Yowzers! That is one long list!
Is it the most airports served by one airline from one hub?
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3676 times:
Quoting Richierich (Reply 7): Is it the most airports served by one airline from one hub?
Yes CO's IAH hub is second with 180 destinations.
The largest International hub in terms of destinations is AF at CDG with 145.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6636 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3650 times:
They need to add 2x EWN (New Bern, NC) if you ask me.. but otherwise.. dang impressive!
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3634 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9): Always impressive to see that list, though I still miss HAM on it , along with St. Augustine, FL.
Technically DL operates several flights a year into SGJ. However none of which are scheduled commercial operations.
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9): They need to add 2x EWN (New Bern, NC) if you ask me.. but otherwise.. dang impressive!
I am sure if you asked a lot of people they would say the same thing including EWN. I am sure the city is trying.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3605 times:
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11): Technically DL operates several flights a year into SGJ.
I wonder what the future holds for airports like those in FL. I almost took a Job at FPR (Fort Pierce), back in January, and when researching noticed they did hold a 139 airport operating certificate.
Airports with potential in FL ...
St Augustine (SGJ)
Titusville (TIX) (least likely)
Vero beach (VRB)
Fort Pierce (FPR)
Id say DL would be the most likely candidate to do these flights, but Id say Vero Beach or Fort Peirce have a decent shot as florida grows more and more. SGJ could ultimately be a premium destination allongside JAX like Naples is to RSW.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3592 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13): Airports with potential in FL ...
St Augustine (SGJ)
Titusville (TIX) (least likely)
Vero beach (VRB)
Fort Pierce (FPR)
The problem is that they are all far too close to existing airports. The airport with the most potential you forgot to list, and it is Marathon/MTH. They have an SCAD grant pending for Delta Connection or Continental Connection service.
American Eagle attempeted MIA-VRB service in the mid-1990s. It was a disaster. Lasted less than six months.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3564 times:
I agree none of these are feasible in the short term, however, with the near expoental growth occuring in the state (though we should wait to see if another bad year for hurricanes kills that) I think in the 10-15 year time frame it would be conceivable to see a commercial service airport between PBI and MLB.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): When did Delta end CVG-MDW and CVG-HOU? Those were quiet cuts.
Yeah most cuts are quiet. I believe HOU was just this month or last. MDW was this year as well. I think April, but all the months run together. It was the same time MDW went to 2 x 732 and 2 x 738 to ATL.
I can't see HOU staying a DL city for much longer given DL's alliance with CO. They are down greatly in capacity over the last year.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13): Id say DL would be the most likely candidate to do these flights, but Id say Vero Beach or Fort Peirce have a decent shot as florida grows more and more. SGJ could ultimately be a premium destination allongside JAX like Naples is to RSW.
DL will never consider serving VRB, FPR or TIX with MLB open. There just aren't enough passengers to go around and any service would further dilute ATL flights out of MLB. DL isn't losing passengers or money because they don't serve any of those airports. In fact because DL serves MLB they are gaining a lot of passengers from the Osceola, Indian River, St. Lucie, Brevard and Martin counties. I can't ever see DL going to another airport outside of MLB just because of the facilities in place there.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
DeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 634 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 4): PVR I don't believe has been finalized
You are correct, DL filed with the DOT in late July and they have not formally said that they will grant the new route, however it seems very likely that the DOT will grant and that an announcement regarding this subject will be made public soon.
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 6): I don't expect to see any ATL routes chopped. Most routes that could potentially lose service due to aircraft retirements can be supplemented with DCI service.
I agree, if you look at the aircraft that DL have to retire, they are mainly short-range with the exception of the 767-200. So those route to smaller cities in Florida and in the Southeast would be cut and moved over to OO,ASA, or another DL Connection Carrier.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2): Is that revealed destination Antigua?
But wouldn't that require a DOT filing therefore we would know about it?
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3): . CVG seems to be stagnating as more mainline flights are lost and some destinations cut (MDW, HOU, SWF, MLI, ICT).
CVG might not serve the same amount of destinations because that is not what DL is using it for. Take for example CO's CLE hub. There is a good amount of presence that with some international and long range flights available out of there, but mostly it is a RJ connector and a reliever for the airline's larger hub(s). At least that is what I think of CVG. Those are just my thoughts.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 16): Yeah most cuts are quiet. I believe HOU was just this month or last. MDW was this year as well. I think April, but all the months run together. It was the same time MDW went to 2 x 732 and 2 x 738 to ATL.
I can't see HOU staying a DL city for much longer given DL's alliance with CO. They are down greatly in capacity over the last year.
That's too bad. I way perfer flying into Hobby and Midway. When going to Houston from Miami, I often take AA via DFW to Hobby rather than non-stop to IAH, and as I commute between Miami and Chicago at least twice a month, I forge my AA miles to take ATA into Midway. Both are so much closer to the city and easier for me. Though I know I'm one of the few in perferring Hobby and Midway.
American is the only cartel carrier with a decent pressence at the airport. They just added STL-HOU, and MIA/ORD-HOU are being tossed around right now. A lot of this, though, is their "Keep Texas Politicians Happy" plan.
It wasn't that long ago (1999-2000ish) that Northwest Airlines didn't even fly to George Bush, only Hobby.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6089 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3497 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 17): But wouldn't that require a DOT filing therefore we would know about it?
CVG might not serve the same amount of destinations because that is not what DL is using it for. Take for example CO's CLE hub. There is a good amount of presence that with some international and long range flights available out of there, but mostly it is a RJ connector and a reliever for the airline's larger hub(s). At least that is what I think of CVG.
Yes, but given the weak O+D of CVG, the hub needs all of the connections it can get in order to stay alive. CLE has better O+D, so the connecting traffic isn't quite as important. However, I would tend to argue that CLE is a money loser for CO, but it's kept open purely to relieve EWR of some connecting traffic.
Notdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 915 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3476 times:
Where is Billings on the list and when does that start?
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3455 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): That's too bad. I way perfer flying into Hobby and Midway.
Had you taken DL more often it may have helped
I am only speculating though. I haven't heard or know with any certainty that anything will happen.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): Though I know I'm one of the few in perferring Hobby and Midway.
No I prefer both. MDW to Chicago though more than HOU to Houston.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3430 times:
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 16): DL will never consider serving VRB, FPR or TIX with MLB open
Keep in mind that if these is a premium to be made, Delta will be first in line, look at APF and RSW in close proximity. I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume airports like MLB and DAB will see LCC market penetration in the 5-10 year timeframe, and the premium that DL currently see's will erode somewhat (not entirely). Also keep in mind that the population will be significantly higher also. Now TIX would definately be out as far as DL is concerned, probably only unsched charters in the 20 year outlook. But id put VRB/FPR (VRB would likely be the airport that gets it, it wouldnt be both) in the highly likely category in the 10-15 year outlook.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 911 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3390 times:
Years ago, back in the 80's, when Comair first started flying their EMB's and EM2's around FL for Delta, they did run service to FPR from MCO. It didn't last but for a couple of years. They ran two or three flights a day on the EMB.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
If you look way back, TIX FPR, VRB and SGJ all used to have commercial service. One of the FBO's at TIX is actually the former Eastern Airlines terminal they used for their DC-9s.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
25 DAL767400ER: Oh yeah, the regular charter 738s. While I can't speak for Vero Beach or Fort Pierce, I can make a case for St. Augustine. I have been watching this
26 FLAIRPORT: As far as cities that could be served: Most likely...that area is growing rapidly. Maybe too close to PBI Not growing as fast, but also right between
27 MAH4546: Vero Beach is 34 miles north of Melbourne. There is absolutley no need for air service at VRB when MLB is so ridiculously close (and MCO isn't that fa
28 RL757PVD: Thats Titusville... which would be least likely VRB is 42 mi S of MLB and 75 mi N of PBI FPR is 55 mi S of MLB and 58 mi N of PBI VRB abd FPR are onl
29 MAH4546: We are both wrong. I got the right distance (it is 34 miles, not 42), you got the right direction (south). [quote=RL757PVD,reply=28]Other close air s
30 RL757PVD: What Im basing the belief on is that MLB will get decent LCC service in the next 5-10 years and the premiums will decrease making VRB more attractive
31 DeltaMIA: I still don't see an airline serving a hub in any Florida airport that doesn't already have service. I do think that service from VRB to NYC would pr
32 OttoPylit: Ok, I give up. How and why would DL operate flights into St. Augustine? Not that I'm saying it wouldn't work, I'm sure 2 or 3 RJ's a day would certai
33 RL757PVD: Ultimately it comes down to just how much the area grows in the next 10-20 years and the types of people moving there. In the 10-15 year time frame, a
34 RL757PVD: They had a few 738 charters in there for the superbowl, then probably any major golf tournaments like how they boost service to AGS, though SGJ would
35 CIDFLYER: I wish CID was on that list! I was thinking that MSP was high up there also, with about the same # of flights. Does anyone know how many cities are se
36 DeltaMIA: I don't know how familiar you are with the JAX area , but they hold a few events during the year that require division among sporting teams. One of t
37 OttoPylit: I thought most of the Super Bowl charters went to JAX or Cecil Field(VQQ). I guess having 40 something flights in JAX during the Super Bowl would hav
38 Ssides: Has DL ended its ATL-BPT service? I know they transferred it from DFW after shuttering the DFW hub (they had a contract with the airport to serve it f
39 DeltaMIA: Actually few of the charters went to JAX. JAX took all the extra flights that were added, but I know FOX used SGJ as did much of the Patriots conting
40 727LOVER: I'm very surprised no one has mentioned......PIE. No airline has ever been able to make PIE work while also serving TPA. CO, Midway1, AA all tried. B
41 Rookinla: Hi everyone...first time poster with a question. In your honest opinions, what would be the chance of Ocala (OCF) regaining commercial service? Yes I
42 MAH4546: I'm not sure. If you exclude AA's international operations, most definitley the answer is yes. If you don't, I'm not sure, but I'd guess yes. Lakelan
43 Rookinla: LAL did have service by US nonstop to MCO with 1 stop to OCF until the early 80s (not sure of the date). They also had DL (Comair) in their first wave
44 DeltaMIA: I too would say yes. I could take the time to look it up DL's part of it, but I only have AA stats for MIA. However seats and flights are totally dif
46 FLAIRPORT: you mean APF and 2 of the 3 get jet service...so why could FPR work? Yes, that area is huge from NYC, but ATL is now a staple route...if its DL, you
47 DeltaMIA: DL's presence in Florida with average departures and seats per day. CITY-DEPARTURES-SEATS APF-3-120 DAB-9-1032 EYW-8-405 FLL-77-8794 GNV-7-398 JAX-29
48 MAH4546: Delta would most likely come out on top. AA has sizeable operations at other airports, but I think Delta would beat them out by a slight margin. Smal
49 SESGDL: Could anyone tell me how many of those are mainline flights by NW from MSP? Jeremy
50 ArmitageShanks: From ATL: [Edited 2005-08-18 05:53:54]
51 DeltaMIA: 336 are mainline 144 are regional jets 79 are props Yes together there was a mutual agreement to end the service and subsidies.
52 DAL767400ER: Have to add some comments on this: Yes, Comair did actually offer up to five times weekdaily flights from MCO to Lakeland, one of those routes where y
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, along with St. Augustine, FL.
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