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Northwest Mechanics Offer Falls Short!  
User currently offlineFLYiCRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Northwest Airlines Corp said late on Wednesday that a new offer by its mechanics' union fell short of the concessions the carrier is seeking, signaling that the sides are far apart as a strike deadline looms.

This is great....I am flying NWA tommorrow afternoon. Hope this wont affect me!!! banghead 

Heres the full link:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/050818/airlines_northwest.html?.v=1:

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User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Red Alert! Red Alert! Karl has been Scooped!!

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

The more I watch this, the more I think that AMFA just didn't get it. They approached this suing same old tactics. It's very clear that NWA intends to get every penny of the concession that they want. They didn't ask for $176 million while willing to settle for less. They really want the whole $176 million. Yet AMFA keeps offering less, hoping that NWA will accept less than the whole amount. I had been 50/50 on whether this strike/lockout would happen, but now I'm leaning towards it....

User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

When does the 30 day cooling off period end?


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User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

Friday at midnight eastern

User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting FLYiCRJ (Thread starter):
This is great....I am flying NWA tommorrow afternoon. Hope this wont affect me!!!

Just don't expect to see any NW or US 752's with winglets and you should be fine..

Strike getting closer and closer... Hmm.. Hope it doesn't happen..

Chris



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

I too hope it doesn't happen...I think today will play out one way or the other...my "gut" is telling me they will be walking.


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User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

NWAFA,

Whats the feeling among the FA's as far as crossing the picket line, should there be one?


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 7):
Whats the feeling among the FA's as far as crossing the picket line, should there be one?

From the crews I have worked with, my informal consensus would be that the F/A's are going to work as normal- They don't want to lose their jobs over somebody else's strike as the language in the contract has many grey areas.... That's just my opinion and most of those I have worked with...
Now if it was a PFAA F/A strike, it would be totally different...

mtnman



I do, I don't, whatever.......
User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Hi LUVRSW,

As Mtnmanmakalu stated, this is a very gray area. Our Contract has bad language (thanks again for nothing teamsters!) on this subject. However under the Railway Act there is protection should a Flight Attendant choose to not cross the pick lines. The company will use the Flight Attendant "CONTRACT" language here to go against the Flight Attendants that do not cross. For that reason I feel the strike vote for AMFA is going to be a NO. Only for the reason of the contract language. If our contract had better language the FA's would very much support AMFA.

Now, if this was a Flight Attendant (PFAA) strike vote for the FA's I can tell you it would be a 100% YES YES YES (or at least the very high 90's).

Does that make sense?

NWAFA



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User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

http://today.reuters.com/business/ne...s&storyID=nN18310672&imageid=&cap=

Another interesting article... Wall Street is saying "they ve never seen an airline so well prepared for an industrial action". The stock is actually up quiet a bit..


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

ZSX81

Over 100 million has been used for preparations! People on here that says everyone should just take a paycut wonder why we are saying no!! If the company spent that money on things like being more productive on contract talk more would happen!



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 9):
For that reason I feel the strike vote for AMFA is going to be a NO.

When will the results of the FA strike authorization vote be finalized? After all, the strike is less than 48 hours away!


User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

I would agree that the strike is probably 50/50. I'm not saying that management is right and the mechanics are wrong. But when you are one of the highest paid groups (#2 I think) in the industry and your company is losing money it's hard to justify your workforce and pay rates.

What concerns me the most though is this comment from MacFarlane:

"There is the potential possibility that safety is going to be compromised and someone is going to have to pay the price for Northwest's reckless behavior."

This is a scare tactic that should not be brought into the fight. Are pilots going to fly unsafe planes? NO! Would the FAA allow it? NO! But yet the media will probably carry this message and make an issue of it.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 13):
This is a scare tactic that should not be brought into the fight

I agree, that's really low, regardless of all other issues. And a very difficult thing to fix for the Company after such communication is broadcasted...

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 13):
Are pilots going to fly unsafe planes?

Jesus...

Quoting GRRTVC (Reply 13):
Would the FAA allow it?

No... and nobody should, and it is a stupid thing that somebody would use that argument in the middle of it all, I agree with you GRRR. I am appalled this kind of argument was used.



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Commavia

They may not be posted. Why should the company know if they are to bring the SCABS in or not.

GRR,

We may be NOW but for decades we were the LOWEST paid. However, being in the top right now, NWA work groups are the MOST productive (next to Southwest) in the industry. We staff all flights at FAA minimums. Internationally we work 744's with ONLY 12 and a good day 13 FAs. UA still is at 15-18. AA on 777s are 11 and 12 where on DC10s we are at 7.

You and the company need to look at much more than just the actual dollar figure here. 7 FA on a Full DC10 (298 pax) or 12 FA's on a 777 at AA that holds around the same amount of people. NWA gate agents are working ONE per gate for narrow bodies and two per gate for wide bodies. I see THREE working all the time at CO, AA. WN has two and some times three agents working at a gate.



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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3355 times:

NWAFA...

I don't disagree that NW management is using less staff for certain jobs (Please do not try to relate this to safety! Less people does not equal unsafe!) And that should to some extent be a good thing. Doing more with less.

But the thing is, if more staff/labor needs to be cut then so be it. No job should ever be guaranteed. If the company, whether it is NW, Ford, 3M, etc, needs to cut staff to stay in business then that is what should happen. If they keep every person and go under then who has a job? No one.

But you also have to look at other carriers that are making money. FL for example cross utilizes staff. Granted it is difficult if not impossible to use a mechanic to check people in but FA's help clean the plane, the CSA's at the ATO counter also take boarding passes at the gate door, and I even seen pilots help the FA's with the cabin post/pre flight cabin duties.

What it boils down to is this. Do you want a job today or a job tomorrow? If you want a job today then don't give in. Tell management to pound sand. If you want a job tomorrow, give in. This may mean the person you are working next to gets cut but that is life. It sucks yes. But if there is any hope that there is company to work for tomorrow then that is what is going to have to happen.

If AA is using more FA's on there flights then may be an application needs to be filed with AA for a position. You are not tied to NW and NW is not tied to you.

Sorry... I hope you don't take offense to that. I wasn't trying to be rude. It's just my opinion.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3345 times:

And sorry GRR I dont buy your thought. The 2nd AA puts 7 FA's on their 777 people will get in an uproar. YOU will get ticked off that you waited.

So I guess just to keep a job that I need to take a pay cut. Too bad the my mortgage isnt going to come down. My car payment (yea I could get something different) My insurances are not going to change. My medical bills are not going away. My RX's are not coming down in price. But then thats the right wing way of thinking, lets keep the corporations going and not let the working class get ahead in life!

After 15 years (and now my 2nd airline, was with Pan Am for 10 years) Im not going to start at the bottom unless I have to, and then I wont re-tred a third time!



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User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3324 times:

WALK,WALK,WALK!!! Show em' who's boss!!! and out fo work!

Give em Hell red shirts!


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3321 times:

Contrail -oops UAcosCS

Another smart addition to the string!



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User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3306 times:

Another flight attendant with nothing better to do than praise a lousy airline!

I occasionally check A.NET and you never seem to change, same rants and same BS, good to see you aren't capable of thinking outside the box.

Enjoy them(posts), however.

Contrail is back for a little while longer, time away has been nice.


User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3294 times:

NWAFA...

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I have bills too and depend on my paycheck just as much as the next person.

My point is that upper management folks, i.e. execs are not going to hurt financially whether NW (or any company for that matter) goes under. So how do you save your job?

Do you not give in? If you do that and NW agrees not to press the issue but keeps losing money and goes under, how do you pay your bills, your mortgage?

I agree that the upper folks on a individual basis are not hurting financially. But as a collective group, I have to believe that the overall management staff only makes up a small portion of the overall bigger picture then what the general labor population thinks.

GRRTVC


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3294 times:

Contrail - UAcosCS hasn't changed one bit. Over time many of us (including ANet) had hoped that you would have 1. stayed away 2. became nicer 3. both, and we can see that has not happend.

Please stop with your old drop in attack, mode that you have done for years.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3279 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 9):
this is a very gray area

No gray area at all: if you sympathy strike, you get fired. What's to guess?

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 11):
Over 100 million has been used for preparations! People on here that says everyone should just take a paycut wonder why we are saying no!! If the company spent that money on things like being more productive on contract talk more would happen!

Makes perfect sense--spend $100M now to save or avert $500M plus long term with an onerous, byzantine labor contract and a nasty militant union that has inefficient work rules.


User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3275 times:

Do you want a prize since the pea in your head figured out such a hard riddle? I came back, deal with it.

Second, on the UAL side, us folks here always hoped you would stop posting or mature a little, neither happened, SO we move forward.

Have a wonderful day, sugar!


25 NWAFA : Slider, Under the RailRoad Act there is protection in place for other union strikers. There is a change that the FA's will be TEMPORARY replaced until
26 Post contains images Av8rPHX : I wish the best for you folks at NW. As a commuter out of MSP I have got many a ride from NW and nothing but great treatment from the crews,ground sta
27 SHUPirate1 : What is NOT a grey area in your contract (I was reading it yesterday), however, is that if you all walk, NWA is contractually banned from using scabs
28 SendMEtoLAS : Is it just me, or does anyone else feel that NW's recent expansions facing direct competition with LCC's is irresponsible? I mean, come on now. Look a
29 Derik737 : I disagree. If that were the case. then we would never have had accidents related to maintenance. But if I recall, there have been a few due to impro
30 GRRTVC : Derik737, What t'd me off about the comment from MacFarlane was that I feel he is trying to make a direct connection to safety and the proposed replac
31 NorthstarBoy : i'm surprised that the pilots, who if i believe what i read, have already agreed to 300 million in cuts, aren't putting pressure on the mechanics, to
32 SHUPirate1 : Something about the pilots being asked to take ANOTHER 40% paycut might have something to do with that?
33 Aviationwiz : Or, maybe spend $100 mil. to put on the table, and avoid the strike altogether! Ever thought of that one? This airline is purely trying to bust the u
34 Post contains links and images MattRB : Yeah, I'm sure AMFA would be willing to bend over backwards at that point.. The logic that the union is using, is completely baffling. We're going to
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