FlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2 Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
I propose an airline that functions on the model of Virgin Atlantic, except on the Pacific. The idea of this carrier is to have direct service from all over the East Coast to Asia. We'd use EWR as our East coast hub, linking directly to Continental for code-share and continuing flights within the USA. We'd use DEN as our West Coast hub, linking to United for other continuing flights.
Using the 777-200LR we fly all the way from DEN/EWR to our Asian hub, which I think should be Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City). The US Armed Forces built a gigantic base at Tan Son Nhut, plenty big enough for the 777. There'd be no congestion. Landing fees should also be pretty low, as should the cost of living. Saigon is also sufficiently well-located that we could have NG 737 service to the rest of Asia, including Seoul and Japan AND india.
We'd have very low costs and a high level of service.
What do you guys think? It's only fifteen hours to Saigon direct from EWR. We could really cut travel time down around Asia. Plus Saigon makes for a healthy trans-Asia market as well.
Avion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
There is only one problem. You wont be allowed to carry passengers from Saigon to Asian Cities unless your airline is majority vietnamese owned. Only passengers that continue on your 777 to DEN/EWR will be allowed to board your 737s.
FlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
Hmmm... good point on both the vietnamese majority and the capital factor. I submit that
1) The new airline would be so efficient, since it only uses the most fuel-efficient and business-sense minded of Boeing aircraft, that it would be a lucrative investment. How did Virgin start up? With investor confidence.
2) Can't you get around the Vietnamese nationalism with a few bribes to officials? For Christ's sake this is a carrier larger than Vietnam airlines starting up right in Saigon.
And maybe it would be a good idea to set up an airline hub using reclaimed land offshore in the South China Sea, which is really shallow. That way you also remove congestion from Asian airports, but you could make an island into a very nice vacation (and business) area free from terrestrial laws and most taxation.
Heck, you could even get the U.S and Philippine governments to pay for the land reclamation the same way the Civil Reserve Air Fleet works: in case of war in the Spratly Islands, the island is now a U.S base. It'd be cool. Either that or people invest for the property, the property where incorporated businesses only need to pay for maintenance. Vacationers would love it- all these beaches and none of those Third World problems or corruption. My airline just serves this new country.
How much reclamation would be neccesary? Not much: all that is needed is enough to make Diego Garcia.
John Walton From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
I would be interesting in helping with the new airline, i cant help much financially, but hell if you're planning to lease the aircraft that aint really a problem. I agree 100% that if you've got investor confidence, the airline will succeed. Perhaps the routing ideas need tweaking slightly, and providing you plan to employ knowledgable people and treat staff well, we agree on principle. Whilst yoour new island idea is feasible, perhaps a good idea would we to start the other routes up first and then after careful consideration of funds etc. Make a decision.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
I too would be interested in helping with this airline. I can not do it finacially, but I would love to help create routes, and the whole system network. You should focus your airline on domestic flights too. Pan Am 1 got killed off because of a weak domestic system, so you should have a good US route structure, as well as international.
Would you be interested in having flights from Asia to Europe? That would create a lot of $$$$ to do a flight from HKG-LGW-JFK-HKG...It would be another around the world flight!
FlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
I hope you guys understand that I was just embarking on an informal study last year. I had just got on this board and was investigating the most radical ideas I had for starting up a new carrier. That was also around the time that the 777LR series got announced and thus that got me thinking.
Bottom line: I wanted you guys to help me with my pipe dream. I have a notebook where I keep all of these ideas written down. I expressly apologize for creating the illusion that I was mobilizing capital and making deals.