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Swissair Airbus A340  
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Does anyone know if Swissair has ordered the A340? If so, this aircraft
will be a replacement for the MD-11's in its fleet?



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User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Yes, SR has ordered Airbus 340. They will get 11 A340-600. First delivery in 2002. Until 2006 all MD-11 will be replaced by Airbus widebodys!
SR3496


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Swissair has ordered the A 340-600. It will get the first units in 2002 (let's hope so). The first order was 9 but I think they allready ordered more. I don't know how many options they have. They have and want to replace the 19 MD 11. Perhaps they change some options into the A 340-500. Swissair is one of the first customers of the -600.

User currently offlineAirbus_a340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

I think its an excellent choice that they chose the A340. Do you think they would have replaced them with 777's in stead of thew A340's if they didnt make that decision.
Im glad they picked the A340
trev*



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

I don't know it they would have choosen the 777. But Swissair's decision was logical. At the moment they have pilots who fly the A 320 family (319/320/321) and the A 330-200. In the future they want to have pilots (it is not yet a final decision) who either can fly the 320 and 330 or the 330 and 340.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Aren't those MD-11s going to Fed Ex?

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

Yes, all MD 11 are allready sold to Fed Ex.

User currently offlineMorecy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Airways magazine July 99 issue featured Swissair; under J. Katz they decided to switch to an all-Airbus fleet for economic and common crew management reasons... (not political reasons for all those conspiracy theorists out there). Anyway, with that in mind, it's pretty clear the 777 was never in the running.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

I hope the new A340-500/600 with RR Trents closes the gap between it and the new GE90 777X. The earlier A340-200/300 was underpowered with those CFM56s, should have had the GE CF6 or P&W 2000 used on the 757 and Russian IL-96M. I know in the development of the A340, it was to have had a Superfan version of the IAE V2500. Because of technical risks the Superfan project was cancelled and Airbus had no choice but to use the CFM56.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

About Swissair and Boeing: keep in mind, that Swissair never was a big Boeing customer. Apart from the 2 B742 and 5 743 I don't recall a Boeing aircraft in Swissair's fleet.

As for the numbers: officially Swissair has 9 A346 on order. This is according to Swissair website. An american leasing company (ILFC or GECAS?) has announced some wees ago, that the will lease 3 A346 to Swissair. So far I don't have any confirmation, if those are new A346, or 3 out of the original order for 9 A346.

So far, now swap to A345 was published or rumoured. I don't know any currently operated or planned city pairs out of ZRH, which would need an A345 instead of the A346.

The MD-11 are already sold to FedEx, as already stated here.

Hope it helps

Gerardo
http://fly.to/zrh



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

From the respective websites:

Swissair originally placed an order for 9 A340-600s, with 11 options. That order was subsequently sold to Flightlease, the leasing arm of the Qualifier Group. Of course, the aircraft will still go to SR, they just won't be own (directly) by them.

Recently, Swissair entered into terms to lease an additional 2 A346s from ILFC.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Where did you read, that those 2 A346 from ILFC were additional? I missed this piece of information so far.

Gerardo



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User currently offlineRichie From Switzerland, joined Dec 1999, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months ago) and read 1349 times:

Just to add some info:

it was not only crew commonality and economics making Swissair choose the A346, but also performance. ZRH can become critical for heavy airplanes on a hot summer day, as you have to outclimb some hills rather close to the airport (hills, but still too hard for any flying object!). So on a critical engine failure, the 777 could NOT make a take-off on RWY16 (mainly used) without being seriously range limited. This emans, no nonstop SIN flights. The other thing is, when you have a contaminated Runway. Also there, the Airbus is much more performing than the 777.


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 months ago) and read 1338 times:

To Richie: Which hills do you mean? The only hills which I recall are those between Kloten and Zurich-Oerlikon, and they are pretty far away, aren't they?

Gerardo



dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

I have the same question as Gerardo has. Runway 16 is 3700 m long and there are no hills after it. I think any modern aircraft can take of there with full load.

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