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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2473 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

I have a question on VIP B727. Many of these birds have extra fuel-tanks! what about ETOPS?? Etops stands for "extended twin engine", but the B727 has got 3 engines! So, doesn't the rule apply for B727- or in other way: can a B727 with extra fuel tanks operate non-stop from the USA to europe straight overwater??

Thanx for any infos

ChriX

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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Since the whole point of ETOPS is based on the risks associated with operating on a single engine (should the only other engine on a twin fail) then it's probably irrelevant.

User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

ETOPS are for twins only, and only those used for hire.
Privately owned twin engined aircraft are exempt.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

All of the above have it correct plus the fact that standard B727-100s were used on regular trans Atlantic charter flights in the 1960s, Wardair being the first followed by TIA, ONA and American Flyers Airline.

Refuelling points were any of Shannon, Gander, Prestwick or Sonde Stromfjord


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Airlift were also active across the Atlantic with 727-100s and, without digging out my old logs, I'm not sure if they didn't operate the ONA flights.

User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

ETOPS does apply to 727-100 but not ADV or 200.

Its due to the huge fuel flow issues if number 3 goes out.

I plan many VIP 727 across the pond and we have to consider ETOPS for our
100 version.

So to answer the next part....yes then can get across non-stop.

We do KLGB to EINN or KWER to MAINLAND EUROPE several times each month.

West Coast to mainland Europe can be done subject to winds, But not very often.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

BBJII,

That's interesting in the light of the 1960s experiences with very full charter 727s when ETOPS had never been thought of.

Many of us thought it was a bit of a walk on the wild side, especially the late Spring/early Autumn flights on Wardair via Stromfjord.

Is your ETOPS compliance voluntary or mandatory and how does that affect twin ops where the aircraft isn't owned by the user - for instance Net Jets flights?


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Most of those birds in VIP configuration are operated private, so as ETOPS is a rule, applied to commercial flights......

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 3):
B727-100s were used on regular trans Atlantic charter flights in the 1960s

Reeve Aleutian was flying to the Russian far east in their 727-100's before they went under.

Again, not a twin, not an issue.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4884 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
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IIRC the highest TO weight 727-200As were with Sterling who used them for charters from scandinavia etc to canaries etc.

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