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A330 & A340 Rear Economy Seating  
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3709 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Does any airline configure their last rear rows as 1-4-1 or 1-3-1 due to the narrowing of the fuselage?

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User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

I believe its only 2-3-2 at the very rear of the passenger cabin.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Not that I know, the standard seating configuration in the last rows is usually 2-3-2.

Patrick

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

I'm interested if any airline has a slightly non standard configuration.

I'd call a QF B767 Business class cabin configured 1-2-2 as non standard, so airlines do sometimes do non standard configurations of seating.

User currently offlineN808NW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

Some MD-11s are configured 2-4-3. KLM for instance.


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User currently offlineExPedia From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

I am unaware of any carrier with other than 2-3-2 at the back. And as a sidebar, the 1-2-2 in J on a 767 is not uncommon. For instance, AC uses that config in overseas service, as did CP before AC bought them.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

So does AM. Their business class configuration in the 767ER's is 1-2-2.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

1-2-2 on a 767 would make that 1 seat awesome. I like the 1 seat in the 2-1-2 configs, but you can get bumped from both sides and you don't get a window.

I wish all 777s were configured 2-4-3 or 2-5-2. I think 3-3-3 is kinda dumb.


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User currently offlineExPedia From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

The "A" or "K" seat (the single one depending on the aircraft seating config) on an AC 767 is simply the best J seat offered by a carrier based in N. America, IMO. Sure, they don't lie flat etc. but for pure space and privacy, it can't be beat.

I flew SYD-YVR in that seat (in addition to many LHR-YYZ and LHR-YHZ flights) and always enjoyed it. Of course, a last minute equipment change can mean that your single "A" has become a double "A-B" (if they switch and use the other 767 where the single is the "K") which is a nasty surprise when you walk aboard.


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

didn't NG have both 3-3-3 and 2-5-2 across the economy cabins in the 777s?


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 9):
didn't NG have both 3-3-3 and 2-5-2 across the economy cabins in the 777s?

Actually, they've got 3-3-3 in the mid-section and 3-4-3 in the rear section of the B777...

http://www.aua.com/at/eng/extras/Pop...Fleet+Seatmap/seatmap+777-+200.htm

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User currently offlineToolman From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Nobody mentioned the A345 of SIA. Because they have an upgraded Y due to the ultralong flights the last two rows are 2-2-2.

SIA homepage don't have a cabinlayout map available so I found only this one http://seatguru.com/airlines/Singapo..._Air/Singapore_Air_Airbus_A345.php

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2916 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
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All SA 343's and 346's have a 2-2-2 configuration in the third last row from the back - due to a service panel located in the floor. From there on it is the usual 2-3-2 config.  Smile


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User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Hi all,

I am flying on a Monarch A300 next week, seat map:-

http://www.flymonarch.com/cnt/aircraft/a300.asp

As has been discussed here (although A330/340) the A300 narrows at the back and has 2-3-2 as opposed to 3-3-3

I was wondering if anyone knew or could guess at whether the 2-3-2 area would be nicer to sit in that the 3-3-3, 2 less seats wide and it looks like it would be better but the cabin narrows so would it feel a little cramped?

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7710 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Those Monarch A300s are awesome - the cabin rises up at the back and there are no cabin dividers so if you sit at the back, it's just a carpet of heads as far forward as the eye can see. Enjoy.


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

LH's A343 aircraft have a 2-3-2 layout at the back. I flew in the 2nd to last row on one from IAH-FRA 2 weeks ago, but it seems to be that way in the rest of economy class on those planes.


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
So does AM. Their business class configuration in the 767ER's is 1-2-2.



Quoting ExPedia (Reply 5):
the 1-2-2 in J on a 767 is not uncommon. For instance, AC uses that config in overseas service,

QF's B767's are also 1-2-2..... The crappy ones they use for NRT-MEL.

Can't believe they operate such crappy equipment on such a long sector!

http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/inTheAir/ourAircraft/seatMap763

User currently offlineAirtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1519 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

I remember that EK has a 2-3-2 configuration on their A340-300 for the last rows...


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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1392 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

The 744's the obvious one - on BA they taper from 3-4-3 to 2-4-2 for the last 3 rows:



User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

This is the difference - on 747s, a seat disappears next to each window, leaving the aisle boundaries unchanged, whereas on Airbus widebodies and 777s, a seat disappears from the centre section, giving an irregular aisle. Presumably the 747's fuselage tapers more at the rear than the others' (necessitating the removal of two seats from each row rather than one).

The exception to this seems to be on 3-3-3-configured 777s (possibly the most common 777 economy layout?), where the rearmost rows are 2-3-2 rather than 3-2-3 (which incidentally I believe the Il-86 and Il-96 feature).

Rich

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5540 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
Not that I know, the standard seating configuration in the last rows is usually 2-3-2.

Yes, Swiss has in the last five rows of its 332 and four rows of its 343 in 2-3-2 configuration.

Quoting N808NW (Reply 4):
Some MD-11s are configured 2-4-3. KLM for instance.

All Swissair/Swiss MD 11 were in 2-4-3. In my opinion the best configuration for an aircraft with 9 abreast (much better than 2-5-2 or the worst 3-3-3).

User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

The moral of the story is, avoid those rear seats at all costs as they are cramped and uncomfortable. I have been an unwilling occupant several times now on LH!

User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Hi all,

"The moral of the story is, avoid those rear seats at all costs as they are cramped and uncomfortable. I have been an unwilling occupant several times now on LH!"

Does it really make a huge negative difference? Surely by having fewer seats across it compensates for the reducing width of the aircraft?

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5540 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting LGW (Reply 22):
Does it really make a huge negative difference? Surely by having fewer seats across it compensates for the reducing width of the aircraft?

You are right. The seats have the same width, but you have the advantage to have less abreast.

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1392 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 21):
The moral of the story is, avoid those rear seats at all costs as they are cramped and uncomfortable.

I deliberately chose seat 51K last summer flying SEA -> LHR because you only have to get past one other person. It was great - there was even enough extra room to stuff my bag down by the side of my seat. Definitely not worse than a normal seat!

25 ExPedia: Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember the seating on the old A300s? They not only tapered (I can't remember to what seat config in the last row
26 RedDragon: This is true of all Airbus widebodies - the angled flooring providing a little more room in the rear hold underneath. I believe it's only something li
27 Post contains links and images PipoA380: Check out this thread about this strange seat on a 747! Check out the middle row. View Large View MediumPhoto © Viktor László - Budapest Aviat
28 Afay1: The seats have both less width, less pitch, limited recline, in the back on LH (A340)/SAS (A330/A340). Check seatguru.com or ask an FA if you don't be
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