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The Last Days Of Western Pacific (proposed Livery)  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Here is a scan of a Western Pacific Airlines ticket jacket and timetable from their last days, before they shut down. It shows a change of color scheme, logo, and livery from their original. The colors are a-la Northwest.

To my knowledge, no actual planes were painted in this "new" livery.

Or were there?

My questions are:

Why was this change proposed if the fleet was all LogoJet?

Was the LogoJet program about to be cancelled?

What was the first plane scheduled to be painted in this livery had they not shutdown?

The date on the timetable shows "effective June 29, 1997". WestPac did not actually cease ops until February 1998, allowing more than ample time to repaint a plane or 5. Look at ol' number "962" and how many times THAT plane had its livery changed. Why weren't any planes repainted?

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User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Why did they cease ops?

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Well they filed for BK in or around October 1997. They were unable to extend their re-org plan and were forced to shutdown and liquidate.

WestPac had a great business plan initially, but early on, managed to botch it. They served too many cities with too few planes. Except for the large West Coast cities (LAX, SAN, PHX, LAS), and the hub of COS, most cities only had one flight a day. They then hatched a scheme to merge with Frontier (I'll see if I can dig that up to scan and post), which Frontier backed out of at the last minute. Finally, WestPac abandoned their COS hub and moved it to DEN. The existing hubs of United and Frontier finished them off.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 1):
Why did they cease ops?

They thought that moving from COS to DEN would allow for greater expansion oppurtunities. Instead, it just gave F9 and UA the excuse they needed to eat poor WesPac alive.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Here is a scan of the Frontier timetable that showed the proposed merger.





User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
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Their planes used to be flying billboards. One of the first flying billboards I believe. The executives came to ASU (Arizona State) to speak to students in the management classes before their demise, then less than a year later they filed for bankruptcy protection.

However, I did not think that a hub could work in Colorado Springs, and even after the move to Denver, they slowly wilted away like a flower in a cupboard.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

First thing I thought of when I saw that WP plane, was Southwest's Triple Crown One......


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Ok..since no one is able to answer my quetsions, then what do you think of the "new" livery?

User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
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I'd never seen that livery before, thanks for showing us all the scan. I have to say though, it looks really dull. Reminds me a bit of the Braniff "Reebok" livery but with less color.

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

If memory serves, seems like Westpac had some of those DEN East side A gates that Frontier could surely use today. Obviously merging with Westpac would not have been worth it, as both carriers would probably be gone today. Perhaps when UAL finally discloses their reorg. plan, they will either use all of their gates efficiently or let some go back to the city.

User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

I've seen that livery somewhere before...I think it looks awesome!  bouncy 


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User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Would that be kinda hot during the summer?


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Can someone please forward that picture to the "fantasy airliners" page and make a "real" looking picture of it?

User currently offlineFilton216 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

If I can remember didn't Western Pacific sign a deal with FOX and have The simpsons over it?


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Could this have put them toward bK?

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

I doubt it. The Simpsons plane was their second plane in the LogoJet family (it never appeared in any "plain" WestPac livery), and so existed pretty much the whole time they were in business. Besides, FOX and the other sponsors were paying WestPac. Not the other way around. So I doubt that had anything to do with it.

User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 14):
The Simpsons plane was their second plane in the LogoJet family (

In addition to the "Simpsons" plane they also had a "Sam's Town" logo jet for the casinos, no sure if it was advertising the Vegas or Riverboat casinos that Sam's Town operated at the time.


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3863 times:
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I had heard from other West Pac employees on this site that the Billboard scheme had not "worked out" and was not "Financially beneficial" but do not remember any other sources and yes, they both said the plan was to be phased out.

I wonder if the grey on the scan was to be grey on the aircraft. Really different for the times. I've not seen that before.



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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
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I don't recall any planes in those colors, but all of the signage for WestPac at DEN (for the year or so that they existed there) was using the grey-and-red scheme.

What killed them, IMHO, was their initial decision to split the COS hub between DEN and COS. By the time they moved all ops to DEN, it was too late no matter what they did.

As I've posted here before, my Mom was actually on a WestPac flight EWR-DEN the morning that they announced they were ceasing ops. I dropped her off at EWR and heard about the shutdown on the way home later on. Her flight took off and went back to DEN with passengers onboard, and they announced enroute that no connecting flights would be departing from DEN. Upon arrival, it was basically a mess: no one to marshall the plane in, no one to deal with the bags, and no one to answer questions. She ended up getting back to PDX on a United flight a few days later and spent some time with family instead, no big deal at all.


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