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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 30
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8423 times:
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I don't want to get flamed for this...

Lately I have wondered why the f/a ratio women to men is very unbalanced. I have read an airline recruitement add that specifically states "only women can apply" (Aerocalifornia) why are there not more male f/a and why some airlines appear to preferr women? Are male f/a harrassed because of their career choice?


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

I dont know but things seem better than they once were. Personally, I like to see a nice male flight attendant, especially if he is issued with a pair of too tight uniform trousers mmmmm Big grin

User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

In Mexico, airlines like Aerocalifornia and Aviacsa only let women apply, and other airlines like AeroMexico and Mexicana have quotas, which stand at around 20 or 25% for AM and 33% for MX I believe.., which means that if you're a guy, there's a lot less vacancies available for you. That is why you may have noticed that there are more gals than guys flying around, at least on mexican skies. Otherwise, if you look at the crew of a BA, LH or AF flight, you'd notice that things are much much more balanced actually.

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Well, since most of the male flight attendants I have had in recent times have been effeminate homosexuals, it's just about the same as having women.  Silly Now, having said that, I usually tend to receive better service from a gay male F/A than I do from a female F/A or a straight male F/A.

User currently offlineDrewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

We have lots of male flight attendants here in the US. I would have to say, however, that latin american and asian countries tend to prefer female flight attendants. In the US, it is considered discriminatory to hire based on gender if being of a specific gender is not a "bona fide occupational qualification."

Now, I wish there was a certain standard for attractiveness...we've got some ugly ones here in the US!

[Edited 2005-08-22 15:08:21]

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
Personally, I like to see a nice male flight attendant, especially if he is issued with a pair of too tight uniform trousers mmmmm

Oh Orion .... please!



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

Shame on those Latin American airlines restricting the number of male FA applicants. especially considering how attractive many of those latino men are and how well they would fill out the seat of their uniform trousers mmmmmm.

Arent there any anti-discrimination legislation in place in countries like mexico then? Are airlines allowed to positivley discriminate in womens favour?


User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 4):
Now, I wish there was a certain standard for attractiveness...we've got some ugly ones here in the US

Ain't that the truth...


User currently offlineCV747 From Iceland, joined Jan 2000, 170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

[Sarcasttic mode on...]

there is a very old airline joke regarding F/A and airline recruitment:

An airline had three candidates to a cabin attendant position.
the first was very friendly and service minded,
the second was a powerfull worker with lots of experiance in service,
the third spoke six languages fluently.

Which F/A did the airline recruite?

- The one with the big T***


It's only a chovinistic joke, but unfortunatelly there is lots of truth in it.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

I suspect there is an element of truth in that. Its wrong though, I mean, I like to see a pretty face, male or female, but I have often had better, more friendly service from a, lets say, less conventionally attractive FA!

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
Personally, I like to see a nice male flight attendant, especially if he is issued with a pair of too tight uniform trousers mmmmm

Me too!


User currently offlineAvalon From Australia, joined May 2005, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8083 times:

I personally prefer to see young/youngish, strongly physiqued, confident looking men as flight attendants for the paramount reason that I would be relying on them to be an effective front line in dealing with an emergency, such as a rogue passenger.

My views are coloured by an event a year or two ago here in Australia when a passenger tried to storm the cockpit of a QF flight from Melbourne to Launceston, Tasmania and bring the plane down. The guy was psychotic but lucid enough to state later that crashing the plane was his intention. He had managed to bring on board sharpened wooden items that acted like small spears or stakes.

A male f/a tackled him down to the ground like in a rugby game, but the mad guy kept trying to fight the f/a off by stabbing him repeatedly in the head with his wooden stakes. (Even if he had been unable to get into the cockpit, the guy was clearly ready to kill anyone in his way). Other passengers helped subdue him as well and he was then securely restrained. The male f/a was a well built, around 40 and clearly acted courageously. Luckily, he suffered no serious injury as a result despite several gashes to his head.

There was a female f/a involved as well who was badly cut and bruised about the face; but I believe it was the male f/a who was most - if not entirely responsible in fighting the mad guy to the ground before other passengers came to assist in disarming and restraining him.

I do not believe that a female f/a would have less courage merely because of her gender - look at women in the police & armed forces. But f/a's do not have firearms, and so strong and courageous men have more of the necessary physical force to bring to bear.

Attitude in providing service comes next and both males & females can be equally excellent, appalling or in between in my experience.

I have sometimes despaired when encountering obviously out of shape f/a's and realised that I would be relying on them in an emergency. Obviously not every emergency needs optimal physical strength from its f/a's; but I would much prefer there to be tons of it available if needed.


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8071 times:

Are there any straight male FA's? Every flight I've been on the male FAs were flamers.


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

Yes. It's just the more...colourful male F/As you remember. In fact, more F/As are straight than you might think. Furthermore, the idea that all male F/As are gay is mostly an American stereotype. For instance at my company (European), while no official survey has been taken, it's generally accepted that the majority of male flight attendants are straight. However, get to close to some of Lufty's and you'll be left with blisters!  Smile

LH423



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User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

The biggest flamer I have ever seen works for Pinnacle, a black guy, shaved head, earings, painted eyebrows. He looks like Aladdin!

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
Arent there any anti-discrimination legislation in place in countries like mexico then? Are airlines allowed to positivley discriminate in womens favour?

Well the answer to that will probably start by stating that America is far more paranoid about discrimination than any other country. No one discriminates in the women's favour. Flight attendants started out as being a female occupation. Only recently did males start appearing more often. There is no discrimination involved. Its a very graceful occupation. It's a pleasure to be served by a beautiful woman on a flight. Most men around the world understand that, so they know that they will have a lower chance of getting hired. And if they are rejected, they don't tend to think that its discriminating. America just over reacts with everything. If women get hired more often for flight attendant positions that does NOT mean the airline is discriminating!!! That's just an outrageous comment.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 12):
Are there any straight male FA's? Every flight I've been on the male FAs were flamers.

They are around but I believe gays are much more common....... Wink
Nearly every male flightattendant I know is gay......but I said nearly all....



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

Can't beat a sexy, early twenties girl - yum.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 12):
Are there any straight male FA's? Every flight I've been on the male FAs were flamers.

I know, quite a few str8 male FA's that fly for several airlines. There are more stright male FA's then people think.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Both male and female FA's are pretty similar IMO, and here in the US we have a fair number of both. Oh, and they're both equally rude to coach pax just in case anybody's curious.  Big grin


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7948 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
I have read an airline recruitement add that specifically states "only women can apply"

That would be illegal in the United States.

I remember that scene from "Catch me if you Can" where Leonardo DiCaprio's character goes to some university to "recruit" Pan Am 'stewardesses' (oops, can't use that term anymore ...). I don't know, but I would assume that this "recruiting" seminar was only open to women. Times sure have changed ... on my last AA flight from CLT to DFW, we had two male flight attendants and a female first officer. I saw no difference in (1) how the plane was flown, or (2) the service I received in the cabin.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

I do like it when a 'nice' young gentleman had to bend down to the bottom shelf of the trolley cart and I peer down and see his pertness straining against that cheap Polyester/Nylon black trousers.

I pray my Pepsi is on the bottom shelf of the cart. I take the little pleasures in life where I can!


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Quoting Aggieflyboi04 (Reply 18):
Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 12):
Are there any straight male FA's? Every flight I've been on the male FAs were flamers.

I know, quite a few str8 male FA's that fly for several airlines. There are more stright male FA's then people think.

I agree, Aggie - when I first started as an F/A I just assumed that about 80% of males would be gay - however, the actual figure is more like 20-30%.

At my airline, the ratio is 55% female to 45% male crew. Seems to work out well, although on some of our Asian routes the passengers are rather surprised when they have two females flying the plane and an all-male cabin crew!



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
I dont know but things seem better than they once were. Personally, I like to see a nice male flight attendant, especially if he is issued with a pair of too tight uniform trousers mmmmm

They all work for Alitalia  Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
Can't beat a sexy, early twenties girl - yum.

You can beat her - but you could get locked up for that sort of thing unless she likes it Big grin



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
25 Pe@rson : LMAO. Right, that earns you the 'naughty seat.'* * See the other thread.
26 Avalon : Your argument is a perfect illustration of discrimination in action.
27 Gman3 : There are plenty of straight FAs here at UA.
28 Aeroflot777 : Not really. I'm not discriminating anyone. It is known all over the world, that America over reacts to mostly everything. I live in America myself an
29 Summa767 : Not all latin american countries are the same. When in Colombia last time I observed that whereas there was a majority of female FAs, there was a siz
30 Post contains images TomFoolery : I cant believe it- a halfway decent conversation without anyone getting flammed! I figured someone would get their feelings hurt and throw a complete
31 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Orion, you need to get laid ... -A.
32 Avalon : A rejection of a man to an FA position merely because he is a man is a perfect example of gender discrimination. Anti discrimination laws generally d
33 RAMPRAT980 : I've been working part-time for a major U.S. carrier for the past seven years performing ramp duties. My full-time job was as a Detective in the NYPD,
34 AZflyer : Quite frankly, I'm shocked that this thread has remained active and has not been deleted. Feelings have nothing to do with it. While some of the comm
35 Andz : Hmmm, must be a newbie....relax and enjoy the ride. This is nothing, believe me.
36 Post contains images RedDragon : Orion, for the love of God (and our collective sanity), go and take a cold shower. On a more amusing note, I had to chuckle that someone found Cornis
37 Post contains images Mtnmanmakalu : Well, I'm one of the straight ones!! At 6 feet tall, and 200 pounds with broad shoulders, most people think I'm a Pilot when they meet me!! It also d
38 MGA : If there is something i´ve noticed is that airlines are maintaining women F/A´s on first and business... I thnk they do it becuase they know the tra
39 Post contains images AlanUK : Wow, this post has to be one the most hilarious ever. Just love the remarks by Orion and the reply by Abrojosolos and RedDragon... And just to shock A
40 AirWillie6475 : Personaly, If I was the owner of an airline company, I would only hire female F/As also they would have to be less than 30 years old. Maybe I'm old fa
41 TKRULES : Well, I have worked for TK during a summer short term, when I was a medical student. Now it's been almost 13 years now, and work as a doctor in one of
42 Abrelosojos : = Just out of curiosity, could you care to elaborate what those obvious reasons were? -A.
43 AZflyer : Needless to say, I'm being hyperbolic...but you get the gist. Thank you, TKRULES, for a little perspective.
44 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : Fair enough Orion, you got me laughing! Unfortunately the good lookin male F/A's are few and far between in my experience. Beat me to it! Please do e
45 NWAFA : PLEASE STOP WITH THE BIGOTED TERM 'FLAMER". That is just degrading to someone. Yes some gay people are more afemine than others, but then there are th
46 AlanUK : That's illegal my friend, sex+age discrimination... "Your" airline would be in the employment courts before your first plane is allowed to land!
47 Post contains images Vio : I'M SORRY... YOU CAN'T BEAT THIS... does anyone share my opinion?
48 NWAFA : Actually AirWillie6475, If you ask a premier level passenger who is flying up front all time if they would rather have a female or male F/A, the major
49 Abrelosojos : I think its time the moderators consider deleting these posts. While I have enjoyed the humor content which has made my life @ work much easier, why d
50 Vio : NWAFA, I have to say that if anyone becomes a flight attendant, they already have that special something. They're trained, friendly, etc etc... the bo
51 Gman3 : we're here..... we're queer!!! LOLOL Actually, being of homosexual persuasion had nothing to do with why I took this job. I had goals of going into op
52 AirWillie6475 : That's OK, well have equal employment oportunity.
53 Post contains images AlanUK : Yeah?! Try that: :P Yeah ok... Each to their own then!!!   [Edited 2005-08-22 20:41:36]
54 AirWillie6475 : Plus there are plenty of airlines out there that hire only women.
55 Vio : VERY TRUE... You can't argue taste! Cheers Vio
56 Trident2e : Wow, you have to pay good money on some sites to see such sights!!!
57 Acjflyer : Unfortunately this forum has turned into a battle of whether its better to have a female or gay flight attendant when it should be whether it is bette
58 Samair : I did want to be an f/a then work my way up to being a pilot ,but that puts me off the f/a part!
59 Dmt52 : I agree! I have been on this guy's flight twice!
60 Pensacolaguy : OMG-Someone sure does need a boyfriend! I would mostly think it because of all your law enforcement experience. If anyone who is attracted to the sam
61 AR385 : My intention was not for this forum to become a gay/straight comedy site, neither to offend anyone. I just wanted to know why the industry seems domin
62 IAD2BTR : I would say that it does not matter whether the f/a is gay or straight, beautiful or ugly, etc. What matters the most is whether they have the trainin
63 Post contains images Desertwolf98 : sounds good, but he needs to be getting a coke instead Dane
64 3201 : On my last flight two young blonde female passengers were talking about the "stewardess guy" on a previous flight. Uh.......
65 LUVRSW : My apologies NWAFA. I always thought of "flamer" as a funny name, not as derogatory as "fag" or "faggot" or "queer" (also used in this thread). I don
66 Post contains images Roissy87 : Hello, I've only been on 2 flights with male F/A's on duty, the airlines were LO and LH. It was a little weird, because you expect females. Although n
67 Christao17 : As a UA 1K I can tell you that what I really prefer is someone who is professional, attentive, and anticipates my needs as a customer. I really don't
68 CA228 : Can anyone shed some light on why there is a notion that male FA's tend to be gay? how did this come about?
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