AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 30 Posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8423 times:
I don't want to get flamed for this...
Lately I have wondered why the f/a ratio women to men is very unbalanced. I have read an airline recruitement add that specifically states "only women can apply" (Aerocalifornia) why are there not more male f/a and why some airlines appear to preferr women? Are male f/a harrassed because of their career choice?
SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8393 times:
In Mexico, airlines like Aerocalifornia and Aviacsa only let women apply, and other airlines like AeroMexico and Mexicana have quotas, which stand at around 20 or 25% for AM and 33% for MX I believe.., which means that if you're a guy, there's a lot less vacancies available for you. That is why you may have noticed that there are more gals than guys flying around, at least on mexican skies. Otherwise, if you look at the crew of a BA, LH or AF flight, you'd notice that things are much much more balanced actually.
Brokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8380 times:
Well, since most of the male flight attendants I have had in recent times have been effeminate homosexuals, it's just about the same as having women. Now, having said that, I usually tend to receive better service from a gay male F/A than I do from a female F/A or a straight male F/A.
Drewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8351 times:
We have lots of male flight attendants here in the US. I would have to say, however, that latin american and asian countries tend to prefer female flight attendants. In the US, it is considered discriminatory to hire based on gender if being of a specific gender is not a "bona fide occupational qualification."
Now, I wish there was a certain standard for attractiveness...we've got some ugly ones here in the US!
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8346 times:
Shame on those Latin American airlines restricting the number of male FA applicants. especially considering how attractive many of those latino men are and how well they would fill out the seat of their uniform trousers mmmmmm.
Arent there any anti-discrimination legislation in place in countries like mexico then? Are airlines allowed to positivley discriminate in womens favour?
CV747 From Iceland, joined Jan 2000, 170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8229 times:
[Sarcasttic mode on...]
there is a very old airline joke regarding F/A and airline recruitment:
An airline had three candidates to a cabin attendant position.
the first was very friendly and service minded,
the second was a powerfull worker with lots of experiance in service,
the third spoke six languages fluently.
Which F/A did the airline recruite?
- The one with the big T***
It's only a chovinistic joke, but unfortunatelly there is lots of truth in it.
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8207 times:
I suspect there is an element of truth in that. Its wrong though, I mean, I like to see a pretty face, male or female, but I have often had better, more friendly service from a, lets say, less conventionally attractive FA!
Avalon From Australia, joined May 2005, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8083 times:
I personally prefer to see young/youngish, strongly physiqued, confident looking men as flight attendants for the paramount reason that I would be relying on them to be an effective front line in dealing with an emergency, such as a rogue passenger.
My views are coloured by an event a year or two ago here in Australia when a passenger tried to storm the cockpit of a QF flight from Melbourne to Launceston, Tasmania and bring the plane down. The guy was psychotic but lucid enough to state later that crashing the plane was his intention. He had managed to bring on board sharpened wooden items that acted like small spears or stakes.
A male f/a tackled him down to the ground like in a rugby game, but the mad guy kept trying to fight the f/a off by stabbing him repeatedly in the head with his wooden stakes. (Even if he had been unable to get into the cockpit, the guy was clearly ready to kill anyone in his way). Other passengers helped subdue him as well and he was then securely restrained. The male f/a was a well built, around 40 and clearly acted courageously. Luckily, he suffered no serious injury as a result despite several gashes to his head.
There was a female f/a involved as well who was badly cut and bruised about the face; but I believe it was the male f/a who was most - if not entirely responsible in fighting the mad guy to the ground before other passengers came to assist in disarming and restraining him.
I do not believe that a female f/a would have less courage merely because of her gender - look at women in the police & armed forces. But f/a's do not have firearms, and so strong and courageous men have more of the necessary physical force to bring to bear.
Attitude in providing service comes next and both males & females can be equally excellent, appalling or in between in my experience.
I have sometimes despaired when encountering obviously out of shape f/a's and realised that I would be relying on them in an emergency. Obviously not every emergency needs optimal physical strength from its f/a's; but I would much prefer there to be tons of it available if needed.
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8034 times:
Yes. It's just the more...colourful male F/As you remember. In fact, more F/As are straight than you might think. Furthermore, the idea that all male F/As are gay is mostly an American stereotype. For instance at my company (European), while no official survey has been taken, it's generally accepted that the majority of male flight attendants are straight. However, get to close to some of Lufty's and you'll be left with blisters!
« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8023 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6): Arent there any anti-discrimination legislation in place in countries like mexico then? Are airlines allowed to positivley discriminate in womens favour?
Well the answer to that will probably start by stating that America is far more paranoid about discrimination than any other country. No one discriminates in the women's favour. Flight attendants started out as being a female occupation. Only recently did males start appearing more often. There is no discrimination involved. Its a very graceful occupation. It's a pleasure to be served by a beautiful woman on a flight. Most men around the world understand that, so they know that they will have a lower chance of getting hired. And if they are rejected, they don't tend to think that its discriminating. America just over reacts with everything. If women get hired more often for flight attendant positions that does NOT mean the airline is discriminating!!! That's just an outrageous comment.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7948 times:
Quoting AR385 (Thread starter): I have read an airline recruitement add that specifically states "only women can apply"
That would be illegal in the United States.
I remember that scene from "Catch me if you Can" where Leonardo DiCaprio's character goes to some university to "recruit" Pan Am 'stewardesses' (oops, can't use that term anymore ...). I don't know, but I would assume that this "recruiting" seminar was only open to women. Times sure have changed ... on my last AA flight from CLT to DFW, we had two male flight attendants and a female first officer. I saw no difference in (1) how the plane was flown, or (2) the service I received in the cabin.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7937 times:
Quoting Aggieflyboi04 (Reply 18): Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 12):
Are there any straight male FA's? Every flight I've been on the male FAs were flamers.
I know, quite a few str8 male FA's that fly for several airlines. There are more stright male FA's then people think.
I agree, Aggie - when I first started as an F/A I just assumed that about 80% of males would be gay - however, the actual figure is more like 20-30%.
At my airline, the ratio is 55% female to 45% male crew. Seems to work out well, although on some of our Asian routes the passengers are rather surprised when they have two females flying the plane and an all-male cabin crew!
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7927 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1): I dont know but things seem better than they once were. Personally, I like to see a nice male flight attendant, especially if he is issued with a pair of too tight uniform trousers mmmmm