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Why No Service To Europe From Lga  
User currently offlineEWRlovr From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

Has anyone ever wondered why their isn't any service to europe from lga? especially since airlines like continental and eos use or will use the 757 to places like stockholm, london and places like that. lga has 757s all the time but none go to europe. why is that? and wouldn't that be great to fly to places like london from laguardia? thanks for your responses!!!

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions

User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

Because JFK is 8 miles away?

No idea.. LGA is a delay heaven, that could be one of the reasons maybe?



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User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions

Oh yeah, they also have a curfew until OCT

no flights can operate from 0001 until 0600L



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User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Does LGA even have Immigration? As the traffic is from the US (domestic) and from Canada (pre-immigration) it isn't really needed.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Four responses and the main reason hasn't been cited yet: perimter restrictions. LGA can't have flights outside of a 1,500mi radius with the exception of flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver. In addition, LGA is an international airport, but has no customs/immigration, so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.


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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Lots of reasons:
weight restrictions
curfew
perimeter rule (although I'm not sure if that technically covers flights outside the US)
no capacity for additional flights (airlines would have to shift domestic flying to JFK or EWR to free up space at LGA)

Single biggest reason, though, is the lack of customs & immigration facilities and the fact that - at least in the Central Terminal - there's nowhere to put one, and with the extensive facilities of JFK only 12.6 miles away (according to Mapblast), there's no reason to modify LGA for transcons.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Runways too short in addition to the number of other reasons why is shouldn't and couldn't be done.


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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.

The same reason why you don't see LGA-Mexico, LGA-Central America, LGA-South America etc.

In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland. That's as far as a European service could happen.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting KEno (Reply 8):
In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland.

Only customs pre-clears in Ireland; you still have to go through immigration in the US, but you can skip past customs.



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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Only customs pre-clears in Ireland; you still have to go through immigration in the US, but you can skip past customs.

Actually it is the other way around. You preclear immigration in SNN or DUB, but you still have to go through customs upon arrival in the US.


User currently offlineScamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Who flies LGA-AUA? -----filler----


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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
Who flies LGA-AUA? -----filler----

US, on Saturdays nonstop.

Mike


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

The perimiter rule is the main one today so to target LGA for regional air traffic and longer range to JFK and EWR. All 3 are under the PA of NY/NJ jurisdiction. Ironically in the earlierest days of LGA, at the Marine Ocean Terminal now used by the Delta Shuttle services, was where Pan Am operated their flying boat services to Europe, the Carribbean and South America until the outbreak of WWII. When Idlewild/JFK airport was opened in the late 1940's/early 1950's, and flying boat services were no longer offered, almost all international and long distance flights were then transferred to there (and some to EWR).

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

A Continental MD80 went off the end of the runway as well. I've flown the DL L10 out of LGA bound for ATL--quite the interesting take-off. Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15):
Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.

Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

Whoever said anything about 777?



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 16):
Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?

You're right--I stand corrected; it must not be an operational reason. Actually LGA's runways are 5ft longer at that. COs OGG-EWR run is roughly about 1500 to 2000 miles longer than LGA-LGW/CDG. Well forget what I was talking about.
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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

CO flies OGG-EWR? That is startling-- I was just thinking of OGG to ORD?, DFW and IAH.

User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

Quoting Scamp (Reply 11):
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.

By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5331 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 19):
CO flies OGG-EWR? That is startling-- I was just thinking of OGG to ORD?, DFW and IAH.

Oops--I meant HNL-EWR--OGG-to ORD is the longest at about 4100 miles--a little bit longer than a LGA-LON run. Hour 8 of work is starting to get to me.

[Edited 2005-08-22 22:22:47]


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User currently offlineScamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 20):
By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...

You are absolutely correct, fully loaded and fully fueled 757s and widebodies depart on 7000 foot long runways for 3000-plus mile journeys every hot summer day, all day long, without so much as a quiver. What was I thinking?



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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

That's what LGA needs, more flights...

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