EWRlovr From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
Has anyone ever wondered why their isn't any service to europe from lga? especially since airlines like continental and eos use or will use the 757 to places like stockholm, london and places like that. lga has 757s all the time but none go to europe. why is that? and wouldn't that be great to fly to places like london from laguardia? thanks for your responses!!!
Crogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3745 times:
Because JFK is 8 miles away?
No idea.. LGA is a delay heaven, that could be one of the reasons maybe?
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Crogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 1): Dosent LGA have big weight restrictions
Oh yeah, they also have a curfew until OCT
no flights can operate from 0001 until 0600L
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3708 times:
Four responses and the main reason hasn't been cited yet: perimter restrictions. LGA can't have flights outside of a 1,500mi radius with the exception of flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver. In addition, LGA is an international airport, but has no customs/immigration, so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
Lots of reasons:
weight restrictions
curfew
perimeter rule (although I'm not sure if that technically covers flights outside the US)
no capacity for additional flights (airlines would have to shift domestic flying to JFK or EWR to free up space at LGA)
Single biggest reason, though, is the lack of customs & immigration facilities and the fact that - at least in the Central Terminal - there's nowhere to put one, and with the extensive facilities of JFK only 12.6 miles away (according to Mapblast), there's no reason to modify LGA for transcons.
KEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1841 posts, RR: 31 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3620 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): so all international flights must come from pre-clearing destinations, like Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Aruba, Bermuda, Nassau, and Freeport - all of which have LaGuardia service.
The same reason why you don't see LGA-Mexico, LGA-Central America, LGA-South America etc.
In theory it's possible for an airline to serve Dublin & Shannon because of the custom/immigration pre-clearance in Ireland. That's as far as a European service could happen.
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Scamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3396 times:
Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5770 posts, RR: 20 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3395 times:
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3354 times:
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12365 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3273 times:
The perimiter rule is the main one today so to target LGA for regional air traffic and longer range to JFK and EWR. All 3 are under the PA of NY/NJ jurisdiction. Ironically in the earlierest days of LGA, at the Marine Ocean Terminal now used by the Delta Shuttle services, was where Pan Am operated their flying boat services to Europe, the Carribbean and South America until the outbreak of WWII. When Idlewild/JFK airport was opened in the late 1940's/early 1950's, and flying boat services were no longer offered, almost all international and long distance flights were then transferred to there (and some to EWR).
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
Quoting Scamp (Reply 11): Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.
A Continental MD80 went off the end of the runway as well. I've flown the DL L10 out of LGA bound for ATL--quite the interesting take-off. Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6478 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15): Regardless--the short runways would severely restrict any flight bound for mainland Europe. A 757 could possibly hit the British Isles without penalty.
Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
Quoting Scamp (Reply 11): Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.
Whoever said anything about 777?
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Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3184 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 16): Aren't there still several longer-than-that flights off of OGG's 7000-ft runway?
You're right--I stand corrected; it must not be an operational reason. Actually LGA's runways are 5ft longer at that. COs OGG-EWR run is roughly about 1500 to 2000 miles longer than LGA-LGW/CDG. Well forget what I was talking about.
Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3133 times:
Quoting Scamp (Reply 11): Delta, at one time, had L-1011 service to LGA, but you wouldn't find my butt on one. Just off the end of the primary runway is an awfully deep body of water. Ask the surviving passengers of US Air flight 5050 in September, 1998 when their 737 ended up in Bowery Bay when the pilot aborted take-off. That one killed two. Something tells me that several hundred people on a 777 bound for Europe might not fare as well.
By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...
Scamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 20): By that statement we can surmise then that you would never fly a 757 out of DCA or SNA than, correct? Or a 767-300/400 out of LGA? Seems to me that the widebodies did and do pretty well at LGA; especially since the runways are over 7000' long. In fact the accidents I recall in recent memory were all narrowbodies, including one as small as an F-28. For someone who worked for an airline, I am surprised you would say something like that...
You are absolutely correct, fully loaded and fully fueled 757s and widebodies depart on 7000 foot long runways for 3000-plus mile journeys every hot summer day, all day long, without so much as a quiver. What was I thinking?
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