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Worst Strikes In Aviation History  
User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

Looking back at what happened 10 days ago at LHR with BA (with more to come probably?) and currently with NW I wonder….

What is the worst aviation related strike you can remember?

I don’t remember anything really big with the exception of small industrial action affecting AF in the early 90’s when it nearly collapsed.

Sometimes we see some strikes at AZ but they are pretty small.

Any others?

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Eastern Airlines. Unfortunately, the only one who walked away with anything was Frank Lorenzo, who made millions selling his stake.


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Eastern was by far the worst, because it killed the airline.

As far as magnitude is concerned, it wasn't big, but the AA pilot sickout a few years ago was pretty bad, primarily because it was (1) illegal and (2) so unexpected.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

but the AA pilot sickout a few years ago was pretty bad

Wasn't that the one involving Reno Air?

Lorenzo was hardly a saint. But to absolve the Unions of any blame would be equally wrong. When you're willing to kill your employer (and put yourself on the street) just to prove a point, that's not standing up for yourself, that's just plain egotistical stupidity. 100% of the demise of Eastern should NOT be laid squarely at the feet of ol' Franky. The Unions were just as much to blame as he was.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Thread starter):
don’t remember anything really big with the exception of small industrial action affecting AF in the early 90’s when it nearly collapsed.

AF suffered a very hard strike from the pilots in June 1998 during about 2 weeks, just before the World Soccer Cup competition in France.

BA suffered similar strikes to the one this summer last summer and the year before ...

Quoting ARGinLON (Thread starter):
Sometimes we see some strikes at AZ but they are pretty small.

"pretty small" strikes every two weeks hurt too !


User currently offlineMygind66 From Spain, joined May 2004, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

There was one involving traffic controllers in the States during Reagan's presidential time. As I remember it was hard too..

Enrique


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

In the 60s, some of the airline strikes lasted MONTHS! But, also, a ruling dictated that if one carrier strikes, the other carriers must share in the gained proceeds due to the strike! So, in on odd anomaly, when Mohawk Airlines was on strike, they actually posted a profit!!


Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

I would think that the worst strike in aviation history was during the Nixon years when, after a prohibited strike by the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PACTO), Reagan fired more than 11,500 air traffic controllers, jailed strike leaders and ultimately abolished the union, paving the way for a crackdown on organised labour.

Just my 0.02c



MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

AC has had its share of labour pains. In 1998, AC was well on its way to a fifth straight year of profitability when ACPA (Air Canada Pilots Association) shut down the airline for ten days costing over $300M and ending up costing a profit for AC.


The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.
User currently offlineAnsettB727 From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

The pliots' strike in Australia in, I think, late 1989. Commercial flights were replaced with military transporters for some time! Can someone elaborate more? I was too young!  Smile

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16939 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
I would think that the worst strike in aviation history was during the Nixon years when, after a prohibited strike by the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PACTO), Reagan fired more than 11,500 air traffic controllers, jailed strike leaders and ultimately abolished the union, paving the way for a crackdown on organised labour.

That was actually probably the "best" strike.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

The PATCO thing of 81 was big, but in airline strikes, the dinosaurs remember the IAM strike of August(or was it July) of 1966.
Northwest, TWA, National, Eastern and United were TOTALLY shut down for a couple of weeks. LBJ finally stepped to move the talks along and lo' and behold, an agreement was reached. Actually, the strike was affecting the transportation of troops and supplies to VietNam. MATS could only do so much.
Remember, old timers????
Safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

I remember NATIONAL would go on extended strikes for months at a time during the 70s. What union represented the NA workers?

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

I would argue that the June 1985 UA pilot's strike is up there, but not #1. There was a lot of bitterness during that strike, and the effects of which (between pilots vs. the other groups) have lingered to this day.

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Thread starter):
Looking back at what happened 10 days ago at LHR with BA (with more to come probably?)

I PRAY TO GOD there are no more strikes. This one was bad enough to deal with at work. I HATE GG. They blame BA, and now the unions that were saying its wrong, are now saying if u victimize the staff that left on the illegel strike, we will strike. AHHHHHHHHHH


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16939 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 14):
are now saying if u victimize the staff that left on the illegel strike, we will strike

Fire them all then. This is ridiculous.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 3):
Lorenzo was hardly a saint. But to absolve the Unions of any blame would be equally wrong. When you're willing to kill your employer (and put yourself on the street) just to prove a point, that's not standing up for yourself, that's just plain egotistical stupidity. 100% of the demise of Eastern should NOT be laid squarely at the feet of ol' Franky. The Unions were just as much to blame as he was.

Rare agreement with MattD, but he is correct. Lorenzo would not have even been on the property if were not for the IAM. Does anone know the name of the **ckhead that headed Eastern's pilot union?

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 6):
But, also, a ruling dictated that if one carrier strikes, the other carriers must share in the gained proceeds due to the strike!

No wonder National used to always strike!!!  Silly



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
Does anone know the name of the **ckhead that headed Eastern's pilot union?

Wasn't it actualy Charlie Bryan, the head of the mechanics union that eventualy lead the strike that ended it all for Eastern?


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

I simply love this bit. Keep in mind it was written in 1989, during one of the Eastern strikes (not the one that killed it, but close)

By Sam Marcy (March 30, 1989)
March 20--The strike of the Eastern Airlines workers is bound to exercise a truly profound influence on the entire course of the U.S. labor movement.

No strike in recent years has taken on such a momentous character as this one. By its scope and breadth, it has attracted the attention of millions upon millions of workers throughout the country, as well as abroad.

When, following Jesse Jackson's lead, Gov. Mario Cuomo of New York said that the eyes of the country are upon the workers of Eastern, he was not exaggerating one bit. It now remains for the labor movement to prepare itself in every way possible to widen and deepen the course of the struggle.

No one knows how long it will take, but there is a sense that a significant victory may at last be at hand if an aroused labor movement stands firm and strong, uninhibited by the wiles of the Bush administration and the courts.

The link to the whole thing is here:

http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam89/1989html/s890330.htm

Gee... how did that work out for ya?

Unions will never learn, they have nothing to sell. Facing a labor crisis, companies will always either adjust and if they can't, they will simply close up shop and start over. Who gets left behind? the line worker, we was never able to save, cannot relocate and with no prospects. Unions are the cancer of this country and the sooner they are put out of business the better everyone will be.


User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 11):
The PATCO thing of 81 was big, but in airline strikes, the dinosaurs remember the IAM strike of August(or was it July) of 1966.
Northwest, TWA, National, Eastern and United were TOTALLY shut down for a couple of weeks. LBJ finally stepped to move the talks along and lo' and behold, an agreement was reached. Actually, the strike was affecting the transportation of troops and supplies to VietNam. MATS could only do so much.
Remember, old timers????

Sure do...as a kid I remember the TV news guys at DAY about stranded travellers. Seems I emember the railroads were then overwhelmed with travellers and could not accomodate the demand.

Yes, LBJ called the union guys and the airline bargaining agents into the Oval office..whadda know..in about 30 min. they had an agreement! IIRC no one was happy about it, but they didn't dare bxxch to the WH or the press.

So JUST FYI>>Democratic administrations have intervened also in labor disputes. (also JFK and the steel workers, & FDR and the United Mine Workers).


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
I would think that the worst strike in aviation history was during the Nixon years when, after a prohibited strike by the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PACTO), Reagan fired more than 11,500 air traffic controllers, jailed strike leaders and ultimately abolished the union, paving the way for a crackdown on organised labour.

Better check your historical facts. First of all, the PATCO shutdown was in 1981, which would have been in the Reagan years, not the Nixon years. Second, Reagan fired them all in retalliation to a illegal strike (under about 3 or 4 different laws). PATCO thought they could get away with it because Carter had ignored the laws. PATCO's chief demand was a 32 hour work week.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 20):
the PATCO shutdown was in 1981, which would have been in the Reagan years, not the Nixon years.


My error and apologies. I meant the Reagan years, Nixon was a typo.

 embarrassed 



MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 17):
Wasn't it actualy Charlie Bryan, the head of the mechanics union that eventualy lead the strike that ended it all for Eastern?

Yes, but it wouldn't have been as destructive if the pilots hadn't joined in.

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 18):
I simply love this bit. Keep in mind it was written in 1989, during one of the Eastern strikes (not the one that killed it, but close)

Ummmm...yeah, that's THE strike that killed it.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineBluemeatball From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

I remember te 1966 strike. It was a thrill for me as a kid but I'm sure it was a pain for business travelers. We needed to get from Charleston, WV (CRW) to Ponce, PR (PSE) which usually meant UA to ATL and EA to SJU and CB to PSE. This time it was Lake Central Nord 262 from Crw to Clarksburg, WV (CKB), to Morgantown (MGW), where both engines were shut down for refueling, to Wheeling and finally to PIT. Next was an Allegheny F27 to EWR; two days in NY staying at the Hotel Lexington visiting the city; then a PA 727-21 to STT; a Caribair (CB) 640 to SJU and finally a CB 440 to PSE.
EWR was a ghosttown with EA and UA down.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Thanks for horror story Mark(Bluemeatball). Or was it an adventure? LOL
It rattled my memory of a few others involving people trying to get from point A to point B with half the airline system shut down that summer.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
25 B744F : The better who will be? Shareholders? Management? Yes, the general welfare of the people? Absolutely not. The only cancer of this country is this obs
26 Arcano : Are you talking about the one in feb99? I remember it vividly; I took the first flight SCL-MIA that took off after the strike, and as you can imagine
27 ExFATboy : But all too often that comes at the expense of other's standards of living. Let's say people went out and made a concerted effort to support unionize
28 Ordpark : isitsafenow - I was but a mere child when the IAM shut down the five carriers in 1966. (alright, I was 15) but I do remember driving past EWR and seei
29 Post contains links and images Soyuzavia : The 1989 Australian pilots dispute would be probably the worst that I know of, as it paralysed an entire country, even though technically it was not a
30 LegendDC9 : That's hardly a cancer... do you expect people to pay more just so someone else can have a better life? gimme a break. You wouldn't do that and neith
31 Halophila : Oh yes, that was a fun one. I remember all the C-130's flying between Sydney and Canberra (where I used to live). I believe many of the pilots moved
32 Jetdeltamsy : Terrible strikes. Eastern's strike in 1989. Granddaddy of all strikes. It killed the company. TWA's strike in the late 80's where Icahn fired the flig
33 Hailstone : CX pilot sick-out in may / june 1999 for over two weeks if memory serves well
34 Post contains images MxCtrlr : National Airlines wildcat walkout of the mechanics (IAM) in 1969. Lasted 18 months and was a bloody and violent strike (people's houses firebombed, ca
35 MCOtoATL : Let me spread some light non the air traffic controllers strike of 1981. First, PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Oranization) was one of th
36 FI642 : The reason carriers posted a profit during strikes was the Mutual Aid Pact. Carriers contributed to it, so when NW or whomever went on strike, the car
37 Gipper913 : Hard, but very beneficial in that Reagan used it as an opportunity to crack down on illegal strike actions. So, like MaverickM11 said above, it was o
38 United787 : Are you talking about the AA strike in early 1997 that lasted about a month if I recall correctly. I actually benefited greatly from that because I p
39 Isitsafenow : F1642..... Delta bailed in the early 70's before de-reg. With the signing of de-reg, the mutual aid pact was terminated. You are correct. NW used the
40 727LOVER : You mean a MINUTE....1 freakin' minute before Clinton pulled the plug.
41 Srbmod : The effects of the Eastern Airlines strike are still felt to this day in the Atlanta area. Some of Delta's problems can be traced back to Eastern. For
42 Skyhawk : In response to Reply #12-in 1973 the mechanics for National went on strike for 4 months, I am not sure who they were represented by. In 1974 the Fligh
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