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SW & SeaTac - Help Me Understand Airport Charges!  
User currently offlineNwray From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm having trouble understanding why the SeaTac fees are such an issue to SW. If airports charge per passenger to each airline equally, then isn't the charge simply a pass-thru to passengers and all airlines on an equal footing? Where does the relatively higher SeaTac per passenger charge limit the ability of SW to grow in Seattle, as I believe SW has claimed? What am I missing here? Thanks.

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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

This might help:

http://www.seatac.org/downloads/seatac/Tariff.pdf

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Quoting Nwray (Thread starter):
What am I missing here?

The cost at SEA compared with the costs at other airports...

See this article (a pretty good one) at:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...technology/2002425021_gates07.html


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

My problem with SW's proposal is that it doesn't include the rest of the infrastrucutre. They're pretty much going to expect us taxpayers to pick that up. Forget them, I say. The plan for SeaTac is overbudget, just like any other airport expansion project post 9/11. Live with it, it's going to provide the region with it's best option in terms of people movement and traffic, when finished.

Honestly, the complaining is ridiculous. Everyone pays the same fees, and while it may be more expensive, they have control over thier costs...it's called AIRFARE. Jeez.

(Sorry, that was more rant-y than inform-y, but this whole SW really irks me. It's a shabby proposal designed to line their own pockets, not help out anyone in this region.)



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
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Quoting Lemurs (Reply 3):
(Sorry, that was more rant-y than inform-y, but this whole SW really irks me. It's a shabby proposal designed to line their own pockets, not help out anyone in this region.)



Quoting Nwray (Thread starter):
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm having trouble understanding why the SeaTac fees are such an issue to SW.

SW = Air Namibia. WN = Southwest


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User currently offlineNwray From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Thanks for the responses. But, one more time. If WNs costs of operation of flights into SEA are some percentage lower than its competitors, and if SEA airport charges are equal among all airlines, then WNs ticket prices to SEA should always be less than others...whether the airport fees are $5 per passenger or $15.

Or, is it that all airlines are eating some portion of the relatively large SeaTac fees, and that goes against WNs business model?

Does WN really think lowering its airport passenger fees by moving to Boeing Field will encourage more people to fly to Seattle?


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

It may not encourage more people to flying to Seattle (traffic will increase regardless) but it will increase their profit margin. I would like to see them move to BFI just to give us something to talk about on the forum--since I'm not in Seattle I don't have too much compassion LOL.


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User currently offlineAirportGal From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
It may not encourage more people to flying to Seattle (traffic will increase regardless) but it will increase their profit margin. I would like to see them move to BFI just to give us something to talk about on the forum--since I'm not in Seattle I don't have too much compassion LOL.

I'd rather see BFI than PAE.... NIMBY! LOL!

actually, it would be cool to have them up in Everett.... 20 minute drive to the airport rather than 55, plus plane watching all day! (ok - 737 watching all day!  Smile )


User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Since the fees are evenly distributed between all the carriers at SEA, should WN leave for BFI, the fees that are presently being paid by WN at SEA will be transfered evenly to all the other carriers serving the airport.

Likely, a result of a move would be a competative advantage due to higher operating expenses the other airlines would incure when the fees are redistributed, and later added to ticket prices of anyone leaving out of SEA.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Canoecarrier (Reply 8):
Since the fees are evenly distributed between all the carriers at SEA, should WN leave for BFI, the fees that are presently being paid by WN at SEA will be transfered evenly to all the other carriers serving the airport.

Likely, a result of a move would be a competative advantage due to higher operating expenses the other airlines would incure when the fees are redistributed, and later added to ticket prices of anyone leaving out of SEA.

Which is why Alaska has requested to move as well along with Southwest correct?
Alex



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User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Which is why Alaska has requested to move as well along with Southwest correct?

Someone with better information about AS's financial situation might have a better take on this than I, but I think AS is bluffing. If I heard correctly, WN has proposed building their own terminal at BFI, which I doubt AS can do right now. And, exactly who would AS get to work the ground handling of their flights out of there? They outsourced the ramp in SEA, but I have questions whether or not they could lay out the cash right now to either A, build a terminal, or B have the materials in place to do security and ground handling of aircraft.



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