SunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3950 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2577 times:
If my memory serves me correctly NZ should take delivery of their first aircraft of this type within the next 30 or so days. I believe NZ1 told us that it would disappear into the hanger to be prodded and poked by all who need to become hands-on with its innards and to have the last of the sleeper seats installed.
Then I am sure it will do a series of "promotional" flights so that community notables can experience this advance in air travel at first hand.
This is a rather long way to getting to the point of this posting, which is....will NZ do some flights from WLG to accommodate their political masters and the senior bureaucrats? I can think of no technical reason why they should not. With the power that this aircraft has it should rocket off the runway at WLG with a full passenger load, no baggage and enough fuel for a 2-hour flight or better. I hope this happens and there are some good photographs to record the occasion. It would seem to me that it would be a good gesture towards easing the strained relationship between NZ and Infrasil the major owner of WLG.
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2435 times:
I'm surprised that neither NZ nor QF are alert and working the parochial nature of New Zealand and Australia.
In Hamilton all the business people got upset when NZ stopped flying 737's to Wellington. The ATR is probably perfectly fine. But the reality is NZ had downgraded their city to a town.
I believe it would be a shrewd marketing strategy to run the biggest plane you can into smaller cities on a once a week basis substituting an existing flight.
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If you run a 763 to Dunedin on a weekend every person in Dunedin would know. All the business people would think it was great. You can cut a lot a traditional promotion like sponsoring netball teams and play to the almost insane parochial sentiment that exists amongst well off people in such cities.
In Dunedin they can't wait for the next 9 storey building to get built.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Hamilton is a town.
Why fly massive jets into a place like Hamilton that can't possibly justify it? Sure, people will go "wow" the first couple of times (or not at all), but then that becomes the norm.
When IVC was "downgraded from a 737 to an ATR72, "everyone" was apparently peeved. I flew this route often, however, and from talking to people on board, crew and locals, the boost in frequencies from 3 to 6 a day was considered far more valuable.
I suspect it's largely a media beat-up when airlines take mainline jets off routes.
Personally I would be surprised if they did this (out of WLG at least). Promo flights out of AKL for staff and VIP's I see as quite likely (CHC maybe but less likely than AKL). Talking with a former Air NZ staff member, he got promo flights on the 747 and 767 when they were introduced (I haven't been around long enough. Only a Q300 promo flight so far for me).
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2190 times:
The best promotion in Wellington that QF had ever done was running 747sp's. I have lived most of my life in Khandallah pretty much under the flightpath to WLG. The visual impact was amazing.
I believe you want people around the country not to be ambivalent about your company.
Who are your natural shareholders, people in places like Dunedin not Australian fund managers.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 6): Can you please explain which NZ airport your talking about for QF A330 and B763
He wasn't, he was talking about domestic flights for QF in Australia.
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5): Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?
There are several Trans Tasman flights laoded in the Schedules, starting October 10th I think it is till the 29th. ZK-OKA and OKB will run several flights between AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE mainly replacing A320's over this period.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 5): Do any NZ insiders know if NZ is planning a New Zealand tour with ZK-OKA, like what happened when ZK-OJA arrived?
Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?
I hope to be able to release details soon of a tour. Nothing is set in concrete yet. As above, OKA has several flights loaded. If you mean the delivery flight, then no, the final date and routing is not yet definite, though I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight.
Rongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2048 times:
As a once a fortnight traveller WLG-CHC-IVC and return I MUCH prefer lots of ATR's to a few Boeings. Having to stay overnight and return to WLG on the 07.00 732 was a misery. Now I can get back on an ATR leaving at either 16.40 or 18.30
As for the 747SPs on WLG-SYD - absolutely useless to me at 3-4 a week. Similarly NZ 767's. My life was VASTLY improved when they all went to double daily 737s. I shudder to remember the old days when I couldn't do a same day round trip to SYD.
Rjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 77 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
Remember everyone - it costs a lot of money to position wide-body ramp equipment in a port which only sees the type once (or twice?) a week. It simply is never going to happen in the cities mentioned, at least not without a major schedule upgrade (don't hold your breath).
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting Rjm717 (Reply 15): Remember everyone - it costs a lot of money to position wide-body ramp equipment in a port which only sees the type once (or twice?) a week. It simply is never going to happen in the cities mentioned, at least not without a major schedule upgrade (don't hold your breath).
But that is assuming catering vans to the back of the plane, Tugs, and airbridges all of which I doubt would be necessary for a domestic flight.
You wouldn't even need to open the cargo hold just carry on luggage only for such flights. Long haul flights are really a completely different scenario complicated and naturally less realistic.
New Zealand household wealth is around NZ$300b an enormous amount of money compared to NZ's free float. To a surprising extent people invest in businesses they want to support not just on returns and playing to irrational parochial sentiments is not as stupid as you might think.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1400 times:
Quoting RichardJF (Reply 16): playing to irrational parochial sentiments is not as stupid as you might think.
Yes it is. Then again, didn't you have the idea of flights between Auckland and Nice a while back? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?
How on earth would you be able to make people understand that (and enforce), despite the significantly larger amount of cargo hold, passengers are only allowed carry on? Rjm717 has an excellent point about the purchasing, positioning and staffing of all that equipment.
NZ has excellent fleet/route allocation in my opinion, except for Asian flights. Clearly the 777 is much more appropriate for flights to Singapore and Hong Kong, if only to keep up with other airlines on the route. Additional freight capacity will also be important.
Perhaps though, a flypast by the 777 over the major centres of New Zealand would go down well. 2 or 3 swoops over IVC, repeated at DUD, then ZQN, land at CHC, then a swoop or two over Nelson, up to WLG for a rest and showoff to people, and the same thing repeated over the North Island. Would be good.
PS. Compare NZ's household "wealth" to its level of debt. We are not a particularly wealthy country by OECD standards and if I recall correctly, our household debt is amongst the worst in the world.
Better yet, how about landing the T7 at ZQN for a promotion ? Now that would be a sight to behold. By the way, landing in a 733 there was perhaps the most interesting landing I've had; must be fun a cross-wind.