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NZ; Promotional Flights With 777 200ER  
User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4858 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

If my memory serves me correctly NZ should take delivery of their first aircraft of this type within the next 30 or so days. I believe NZ1 told us that it would disappear into the hanger to be prodded and poked by all who need to become hands-on with its innards and to have the last of the sleeper seats installed.
Then I am sure it will do a series of "promotional" flights so that community notables can experience this advance in air travel at first hand.
This is a rather long way to getting to the point of this posting, which is....will NZ do some flights from WLG to accommodate their political masters and the senior bureaucrats? I can think of no technical reason why they should not. With the power that this aircraft has it should rocket off the runway at WLG with a full passenger load, no baggage and enough fuel for a 2-hour flight or better. I hope this happens and there are some good photographs to record the occasion. It would seem to me that it would be a good gesture towards easing the strained relationship between NZ and Infrasil the major owner of WLG.

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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 797 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

I agree, I would like to see NZ operate some tasman flights out of CHC/ WLG and AKL on a promotional basis.


What?
User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

I'm surprised that neither NZ nor QF are alert and working the parochial nature of New Zealand and Australia.
In Hamilton all the business people got upset when NZ stopped flying 737's to Wellington. The ATR is probably perfectly fine. But the reality is NZ had downgraded their city to a town.
I believe it would be a shrewd marketing strategy to run the biggest plane you can into smaller cities on a once a week basis substituting an existing flight.

New Zealand - NZ
Wellington 777
Hamilton 763
Dunedin 763

Australia - QF
Canberra A330
Hobart A330
Launceston 763
Newcastle 763

If you run a 763 to Dunedin on a weekend every person in Dunedin would know. All the business people would think it was great. You can cut a lot a traditional promotion like sponsoring netball teams and play to the almost insane parochial sentiment that exists amongst well off people in such cities.
In Dunedin they can't wait for the next 9 storey building to get built.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Hamilton is a town.

Why fly massive jets into a place like Hamilton that can't possibly justify it? Sure, people will go "wow" the first couple of times (or not at all), but then that becomes the norm.

When IVC was "downgraded from a 737 to an ATR72, "everyone" was apparently peeved. I flew this route often, however, and from talking to people on board, crew and locals, the boost in frequencies from 3 to 6 a day was considered far more valuable.

I suspect it's largely a media beat-up when airlines take mainline jets off routes.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Thread starter):
NZ do some flights from WLG to accommodate their political masters and the senior bureaucrats?

Personally I would be surprised if they did this (out of WLG at least). Promo flights out of AKL for staff and VIP's I see as quite likely (CHC maybe but less likely than AKL). Talking with a former Air NZ staff member, he got promo flights on the 747 and 767 when they were introduced (I haven't been around long enough. Only a Q300 promo flight so far for me).


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3106 times:
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Do any NZ insiders know if NZ is planning a New Zealand tour with ZK-OKA, like what happened when ZK-OJA arrived?

Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3105 times:
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Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):
New Zealand - NZ
Wellington 777
Hamilton 763
Dunedin 763

Australia - QF
Canberra A330
Hobart A330
Launceston 763
Newcastle 763

Can you please explain which NZ airport your talking about for QF A330 and B763


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

The best promotion in Wellington that QF had ever done was running 747sp's. I have lived most of my life in Khandallah pretty much under the flightpath to WLG. The visual impact was amazing.
I believe you want people around the country not to be ambivalent about your company.
Who are your natural shareholders, people in places like Dunedin not Australian fund managers.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5293 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
Can you please explain which NZ airport your talking about for QF A330 and B763

He wasn't, he was talking about domestic flights for QF in Australia.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?

There are several Trans Tasman flights laoded in the Schedules, starting October 10th I think it is till the 29th. ZK-OKA and OKB will run several flights between AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE mainly replacing A320's over this period.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3008 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Do any NZ insiders know if NZ is planning a New Zealand tour with ZK-OKA, like what happened when ZK-OJA arrived?

Has ZK-OKAs timetable been released yet?

I hope to be able to release details soon of a tour. Nothing is set in concrete yet. As above, OKA has several flights loaded. If you mean the delivery flight, then no, the final date and routing is not yet definite, though I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight.

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2931 times:
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NZ1 I've sent you an e-mail

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 7):
I have lived most of my life in Khandallah pretty much under the flightpath to WLG.

My work place in porirua is under the flightpath and I've seen a few very interesting aircraft, obviously flying over, including a BBJ2


User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

As a once a fortnight traveller WLG-CHC-IVC and return I MUCH prefer lots of ATR's to a few Boeings. Having to stay overnight and return to WLG on the 07.00 732 was a misery. Now I can get back on an ATR leaving at either 16.40 or 18.30

As for the 747SPs on WLG-SYD - absolutely useless to me at 3-4 a week. Similarly NZ 767's. My life was VASTLY improved when they all went to double daily 737s. I shudder to remember the old days when I couldn't do a same day round trip to SYD.


User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

'NZ1
I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight'

What ever happened to the PVG idea, and LHR thats all gone quite now,



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
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Quoting Zkojh (Reply 12):
I believe we are planning a direct Seattle -Auckland flight'

Direct delivery flight


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Yea, a little misunderstanding there I think. Any news on a second LHR or PVG?

User currently offlineRjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 86 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Remember everyone - it costs a lot of money to position wide-body ramp equipment in a port which only sees the type once (or twice?) a week. It simply is never going to happen in the cities mentioned, at least not without a major schedule upgrade (don't hold your breath).
R


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting Rjm717 (Reply 15):
Remember everyone - it costs a lot of money to position wide-body ramp equipment in a port which only sees the type once (or twice?) a week. It simply is never going to happen in the cities mentioned, at least not without a major schedule upgrade (don't hold your breath).

But that is assuming catering vans to the back of the plane, Tugs, and airbridges all of which I doubt would be necessary for a domestic flight.
You wouldn't even need to open the cargo hold just carry on luggage only for such flights. Long haul flights are really a completely different scenario complicated and naturally less realistic.
New Zealand household wealth is around NZ$300b an enormous amount of money compared to NZ's free float. To a surprising extent people invest in businesses they want to support not just on returns and playing to irrational parochial sentiments is not as stupid as you might think.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 16):
playing to irrational parochial sentiments is not as stupid as you might think.

Yes it is. Then again, didn't you have the idea of flights between Auckland and Nice a while back? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?

How on earth would you be able to make people understand that (and enforce), despite the significantly larger amount of cargo hold, passengers are only allowed carry on? Rjm717 has an excellent point about the purchasing, positioning and staffing of all that equipment.

NZ has excellent fleet/route allocation in my opinion, except for Asian flights. Clearly the 777 is much more appropriate for flights to Singapore and Hong Kong, if only to keep up with other airlines on the route. Additional freight capacity will also be important.

Perhaps though, a flypast by the 777 over the major centres of New Zealand would go down well. 2 or 3 swoops over IVC, repeated at DUD, then ZQN, land at CHC, then a swoop or two over Nelson, up to WLG for a rest and showoff to people, and the same thing repeated over the North Island. Would be good.

PS. Compare NZ's household "wealth" to its level of debt. We are not a particularly wealthy country by OECD standards and if I recall correctly, our household debt is amongst the worst in the world.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
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In October I'm flying on an NZ B772 from MEL-AKL. This is part of my long trip to SYD and MEL as has been said in another thread started by me

User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 17):
then ZQN

Better yet, how about landing the T7 at ZQN for a promotion  Smile? Now that would be a sight to behold. By the way, landing in a 733 there was perhaps the most interesting landing I've had; must be fun a cross-wind.



Flown on 707, 717, 727, 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 741 742 743 744 74SP 757 753 762 763 772 773 77W D10 DC9 M11 M80 M87
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2142 times:
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Quoting Halophila (Reply 19):
how about landing the T7 at ZQN for a promotion ? Now that would be a sight to behold.

Would only happen if heaps of the surrounding hills are cut away, so in other words never in a million years would a T7 land at ZQN


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