Mason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1 Posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2079 times:
OK-every time I have flown Southwest, the aircraft has been completly full-not one empty seat! I have probably been on 13+/- flights with them. If they don't have plans to add the 737-800/900, they should. I bet Southwest could operate 767s domestically, as still make a profit with 80% load factors! It would look funny to see the Southwest scheme in anything but a 737, though.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Getting bigger planes is not Southwest's strategy. If they want to increase capacity, they just add another frequency to the desired airport. Plus they save on all the servicing and training costs. And its also better for travelers
Oozabooza From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1911 times:
I think the fact that they fly the same type of aircraft is the secret to their success. Everybody who works the plane knows their job inside and out making the turn-arounds unusually fast. Rather than change type of aircraft, I would like to see them add more flights to their existing routes.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1903 times:
I don't think you'll see -800s or -900s in SWA's fleet anytime soon, as they'd require a 4th F/A onboard. The -700 seems to be the best blend of performance, size, and cost.
The 767s would be too radical a departure from the SWA business model (increased costs of a 2nd aircraft type) and be about as likely to be acquired as Yak-40s. 767s would look pretty nice, I'd have to agree...
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
Southwest's strategy is built around a single fleet type. They could order the
737-800 or the 737-900 and I wouldn't be surprised if they do. With close to
300 737's in their fleet though, they could just add more flights where there
is demand. I don't think you will ever see a jet in Southwest colors other than
Southwest did operate a few 727-200's in the early 70's when it was first
allowed to fly outside of Texas. The planes were, I believe, leased from
Southwest operates the 737-200, 737-300, 737-500, and 737-700.
SWA737-500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
The 727s were leased for a very short time during the on-season when -300s were on order. They were leased for Braniff, and PeoplExpress. They also leased 737-200s.
They will never operate anything besides the 737. They will never order 737-600s or 737-900s, I can see a 20% chance of buying 737-800s, but chances are that they would have done so already.
Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
If Southwest ever moved to the 757/767 they would have to make a huge investment in infastructure to support these aircraft;
New engineering facilities
Training of Engineers, Pilots, Cabin Crews, Ground staff
New infastruture such as ground support equipment
Expensive modifications to gates that only handle 737s
Plus, the company would lose some economy of scale and some crewing flexibility etc
It seems that since SWA fly out of secondary airports, adding extra frequency is the way to go. I'd say the 737-800 could be needed in the future for high density flights into the likes of LAX and DAL where frequencies are already high and the airports fairly congested, but I don't really know enough about Southwest to make a judgement;
Rotate777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
If Southwest aquires larger aircrafts, then they won't be able to turn the aircraft around in 15 minutes like they are known for.
A 767 in Southwest colors? That would look kind of awkward. How about the A321 or 320/319 in Southwest colors? That would look interesting.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1766 times:
Is there any reason why WN wouldn't order the -600? It is, after all in the same size brackett (more or less) as the -500.
While I agree with the reasoning behind no -8's or -9's, can anyone show a good reason for not ordering -600's?
SWA737-500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
SWA launched the 737-5H4 with an order for 38 aircraft, but found them unsuitable for their high-density short-hop flights, so they sold 13 aircraft. Their current -500 fleet equals 25, with are mainly used on the longer west coast flights (e.g. flight 887, SEA-SLC-LAS-OAK is usually a -500). Since their original order in 1989, they have not ordered any more, and chances are that they will not order the -600.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4571 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
Southwest is going to order 767's? Never! You know very well that Southwest is never going to buy anything but 737's. I don't even know if they will ever order other NG variants besides the 700. They might order 600's or 800's, or both, but that seems unlikely to happen. If they ever need a large aircraft, they would go for the 900, and for the moment they don't need those.
Oh by the way, do they still have 200's? I'm not sure. They may all be gone by now. Southwest has 300's, 500's and 700's definitely.
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1954 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
Besides the Southwest 727's, they also very briefly operated a leased Muse Air DC-9, although I don't believe it ever was painted in WN colors. If you count TranStar, they have flown MD-80's. Here's an interesting tid-bit, in the early 90's Southwest considerd the A320. They were so interested that Herb Keheller and other management officials actually made a trip to Toulouse. Oh what could have been.
Mason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (15 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1636 times:
There can only be so many aircraft in the air at the same time, so eventually, WN will need larger aircraft. I think they should serve HNL, their -700s are definitely up to it! Plus it would drive down the high prices to Hawaii. What do you think?
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (15 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1632 times:
What is the max capacity a/c WN would operate? I have no doubt they will eventually switch to an all-737NG fleet, given their history with the 737 series. It also seems likely they would operate larger-capacity 737 models, though never anything so large as a 767! As for WN to Honolulu...sounds great. They'd certainly offer the cheapest fare to and from!