TWFirst From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Apr 2000, 5895 posts, RR: 47 Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
There's a current thread here discussing jetBlue's plans to build a new terminal behind the historic Saarinen terminal. Terminal 5 is outdated and can't be used as is for a number of reasons.
JFKviaPHX From United States, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1700 times:
When did they bus passengers to T5? I don't remember seeing that while working over there.
In order for T5 to be used and be efficient they needed to do a lot of work to it, inside and out. There were many problems that needed to be addressed before someone could run an operation out of there.
SRT75 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1585 times:
T5 has been closed since TWA was bought out by AA. Jet Blue currently has the rights to use T5. They are planning construction of a "new" Terminal 5 which will incorporate some of the old T5.
T5 is a historical piece of architecture (don't know if it is "officially" a historic building). Therefore, the "spaceship" building will be preserved. Note from the picture in Post #2 that the TWA sign is STILL standing at T5!
I'm sure the boarded up T5 causes a lot of mixed feelings for former TWA employees.
TWFirst From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Apr 2000, 5895 posts, RR: 47 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1517 times:
Quoting Boegas (Reply 6): still don't understand why they have to build a new one instead of use the old one
1) It's too small
2) It doesn't have an adequate baggage system
3) It's too small
4) It's pretty, but not very functional or efficient
They can't significantly alter the main building and flight tubes because it's a legally protected landmark.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9550 posts, RR: 37 Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1502 times:
Quoting Boegas (Reply 6): I still don't understand why they have to build a new one instead of use the old one, it's sad such a great looking and famous building is just emty.
In a post 9-11 enviroment there's just no room for the huge equipment and space that the TSA uses today, it would require hundreds of Millions of Dollars to improve the situation. Instead B6 is going to build a brand new terminal behind T5 and use T5 for a club or something, it's cost prohibitive to bring the T-5 structure up to modern airport standards. The building was terribly over used by TWA, it out grew itself by the 1970s with Jumbo jets.
Quoting Boegas (Reply 6):
But who ownes the TWA building today?
The Port Authority..
One thing that I think gets lost on folks is just how small the structure actually is, it's the size of a restaraunt with two skinny tubs connecting to two other restaraunt sized structures.
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 3877 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1460 times:
Quoting Boegas (Reply 6): I still don't understand why they have to build a new one instead of use the old one, it's sad such a great looking and famous building is just emty.
They are going to keep the building, just add on behind it!
BHMNONREV From Iraq, joined Aug 2003, 1012 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1460 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 8): One thing that I think gets lost on folks is just how small the structure actually is, it's the size of a restaraunt with two skinny tubs connecting to two other restaraunt sized structures.
I would agree. As impressive as it is from the outside, the inside of the building left a lot to be desired. Certainly not designed to handle upwards of 20 Trans-Atlantic flights every day, with very small check-in and departure/gate areas. Customs and Immigration were a joke also. When this building was originally designed, there was no way to know of the massive explosion of air travel which was about to take place...
Still, it saddens me to think that the future view from those huge windows that overlooked the ramp will be of another terminal, instead of a twin-globed TWA 747....
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9550 posts, RR: 37 Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1420 times:
I would have loved it if they (the Port Authority) could have moved T-5 and the Oval section of Pan Am's World Port to a different part of the airport and convert them into museums with a decent hotel (Westin, Marriott, Hyatt etc..).
They could have pulled some old PA and TWA birds from the desert as well as move the Concorde from the Intrepid back to JFK for display.
They moved Newark's Historic Terminal One 1/2 Mile and incorporated it into a brand new Airport Administration/Police/rescue building.
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1839 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 1288 times:
AlitaliaMD11, where did you get that picture?
Quoting STT757 (Reply 13): Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
Then what becomes of T6? If T5 is too small and out-dated, isn't T6, opened in 1969(?) for National.
It will be torn down and a hard stand parking area will be built.
The land at T-6 and the terminal area of T-5 will be torn down and used for a new T-5/6.
ExFATboy From United States, joined Jul 2003, 1645 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1047 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12): Then what becomes of T6? If T5 is too small and out-dated, isn't T6, opened in 1969(?) for National.
T6 is outdated - although JetBlue has done a good job in remodeling and getting in new food/retail stores and the Oasis Spa, the building just feels, well, old inside. And JetBlue is nearing T6's limits.
(Of course, if you really want to see "outdated", look at Terminal 2!)
I believe that after the new T5 is completed, T6 will be torn down and replaced. Depending on how long that takes, it's possible that JetBlue may wind up occuping the new T6 as well.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States, joined Jan 2005, 1620 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1024 times:
Well I hope later on they build a T-6. It will be weird when T6 in knocked down and T5 is jetBlue because The the airport is Terminals 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,9. And the PANYNJ said they want to get the airport down to I think 6 bigger terminals. But anyway so where will jetBlue passengers check-in. T5 is to small to check-in, will they build the check-in booths in the new terminal behind it and put some self check-in machines in the historic T5 along with a conference room and something else.
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STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9550 posts, RR: 37 Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 1010 times:
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 17): And the PANYNJ said they want to get the airport down to I think 6 bigger terminals
That's why they only built 6 Airtrain terminals to serve 9 terminals, there are just too many terminals and they feel (rightfully so) that 6 Terminals is more than adequate. AA is consolidating into a single new terminal, B6 will consolidate T-6 and T-5 into a single new terminal, DL had plans (prior to 9-11) to tear down T-3 and consolidate their international flights into T4.
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9550 posts, RR: 37 Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 935 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 19): So that leaves T2, T3, and T7 still to be renovated
T7 under went a $200-400 Million Dollar renovation around 2000, it's in good shape for the amount of flights it handles.
As for T-2 and T-3 no chance, they are way too out dated and in-efficient to be modernized or renovated. DL stated they were going to spend something like $200 Million to improve the HVAC and baggage belts (both probably 40 years old) at T-3, however given their current situation I doubt that project has moved foward. It does not look as though DL will be investing in anything new for a long time in terms of facilities, if they do it would be in ATL but that's future speculation right now they have more pressing items to address.
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