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NY Times: AA To Fly To Africa (oops!)  
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

This is priceless:

"AFRICAN FLIGHT Reflecting increasing business travel to Africa, especially in the oil and gas industries, American Airlines, a unit of the AMR Corporation, said yesterday that it planned to fly between Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and Guanacaste, Liberia, starting Feb. 3. The flights to Guanacaste will be on Wednesday and Saturday and the return flights on Thursday and Sunday."

Don't believe me? Look online at http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/business/23memo.html (scroll down to the bottom) or, if you have the print edition, on page C8. Not the first time someone has confused the two Liberias, but pretty funny coming from the Times!

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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Already wrote to them telling them they made a mistake


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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

I did the same. You would think that a travel/business reporter would have heard of the city of Liberia and the region of Guancanaste in Costa Rica...


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Surprising...I've found that Sharkey is usually pretty good with accuracy, but this is a pretty severe error...

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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

I'd hate to be on that 737-800 going from DFW to ROB (Monrovia, Liberia, Africa)...at 5038 nautical miles, that plane wouldn't make it without some auxilliary fuel tanks...


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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8019 times:
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Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
I'd hate to be on that 737-800 going from DFW to ROB (Monrovia, Liberia, Africa)...at 5038 nautical miles, that plane wouldn't make it without some auxilliary fuel tanks...

"Sorry folks, we're gonna have to ask some of you to jump off the plane so we can make it all the way. Don't be selfish, otherwise we all will die."



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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

That is too funny!!!!!! Somebody will be fired I'm sure.

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Anybody get a response from the NY Times yet?

User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

Seriously though...the reporter seems to be the main guy when talking about aviation on the NYT, I am sure he knew the aircraft was going to be a B737......enough said....plus is there really a market to Liberia Africa?


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User currently offlineRobsch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7618 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 9):
plus is there really a market to Liberia Africa?

Simple answer: no. Most of the businessmen fled the country during the civil war.

From Lonely Planet:
With the country recovering from years of savage civil war, travel to Liberia still poses more personal safety risks than it's worth.

The mess that is Liberia's civil war seems to be on the mend but the country is still no place to go for a beach holiday. There is sporadic looting as well as bursts of shooting in pockets of the country, including Monrovia. The future for the troubled West African country is uncertain, and its security situation remains volatile.


-Rob


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Wow. That is really sloppy reporting. Especially since you could probably get the details WHERE Liberia, Costa Rica was from an AA press release. I thought the NY Times had better editing since that whole Glass fiasco.

User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

I'm not surprised. People in Manhattan don't even know where Connecticut is. How the heck would they know there is a place called Liberia in Costa Rica?

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
People in Manhattan don't even know where Connecticut is. How the heck would they know there is a place called Liberia in Costa Rica?

Hey, no fair...I live in Manhattan and I'm the one who noticed this!

But tell me where is this place called "Connecticut"...?  Smile



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 6):
That is too funny!!!!!! Somebody will be fired I'm sure.

Fired? At the New York Times? Surely you jest?!?!

New York Times reporters have quite a reputation for doing far worse... and having their bosses cover for them.

Rather than emailing the reporter you should send a note to Public Editorfor the New York Times. That'll get the reporter into gear.

Anyone notice, too, the beginning?

"Reflecting increasing business travel to Africa, especially in the oil and gas industries, American Airlines, a unit of the AMR Corporation, said yesterday..."

Ummm... not only does he not have a clue about the difference between Latin America and Africa, he also has no clue that there's no oil or gas in Liberia. Or Costa Rica. This guy is making stuff up on the fly!

From the American Airlines press release: "Guanacaste is a natural gateway to northern Pacific beaches and fishing, as well as nearby resorts and national parks."

Yuppers. Oil, that is. Black gold. Texas tea.

This actually fits in quite well with the Times' track record. It's understandable to get mixed-up when the press release called it "Guanacaste, Liberia in Costa Rica". But to then ignore the description of Guanacaste in that same press release and create one for a different continent (and still get it wrong!) is pretty enlightening about this reporter's interest in giving accurate information.

Let the Public Editor know about this (his email is at the bottom right on the linked page).

[Edited 2005-08-24 04:29:34]

[Edited 2005-08-24 04:47:29]

[Edited 2005-08-24 04:48:16]

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 13):
Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
People in Manhattan don't even know where Connecticut is. How the heck would they know there is a place called Liberia in Costa Rica?

Hey, no fair...I live in Manhattan and I'm the one who noticed this!

But tell me where is this place called "Connecticut"...?

Where the tall houses stop and the greenery starts. You can even take a transportation device called a "train" to get there from where you are Big grin

- a Connecticut resident



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Quoting Robsch (Reply 10):
The mess that is Liberia's civil war seems to be on the mend but the country is still no place to go for a beach holiday. There is sporadic looting as well as bursts of shooting in pockets of the country, including Monrovia. The future for the troubled West African country is uncertain, and its security situation remains volatile.

Do you think JetBlue will want to compete with American Airlines on this route?


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Thread starter):
You can even take a transportation device called a "train" to get there from where you are

Ah yes, I think I've read about those. Sort of like subways, but with more seats, right?  Big grin



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7193 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 13):
But tell me where is this place called "Connecticut"...?  

It's where you keep your polo ponies.

As for the Times, I gave up on them long ago. They don't check facts anymore, but the worst part is that anyone can quote the Times as a respected news source and never be questioned on accuracy or slant of the underlying article.



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7144 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
As for the Times, I gave up on them long ago. They don't check facts anymore, but the worst part is that anyone can quote the Times as a respected news source and never be questioned on accuracy or slant of the underlying article.

I know! Everyone other than the Times starts articles with "It was reported in the New York Times that...".

It was a seemingly simple error yet the press release from American Airlines was about making it easier for leisure travelers to get to Caribbean and Latin American resorts, not African oil wells.

Maybe the Times will print a correction:

"In yesterday's New York Times there was a typographical error in the Business Section article 'African Flight'. The following which appeared in the article, 'Reflecting increasing business travel to Africa, especially in the oil and gas industries, American Airlines, a unit of the AMR Corporation, said yesterday that it planned to fly between Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and Guanacaste, Liberia, starting Feb. 3', should have been titled 'Central American Flight' and read,

'Reflecting increasing leisure travel to Central America, especially for those interested in beach resorts and national parks, American Airlines, a unit of the AMR Corporation, said yesterday that it planned to fly between Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and Guanacaste, Costa Rica'.

'The Times regrets the typo'''.

[Edited 2005-08-24 05:20:41]

User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Typo my ass...

A typo would be spelling "Jonathon" as "Jonathan." This is a flagrant goof from someone who didn't read their press release carefully...


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6883 times:

From http://www.nytimes.com/ref/pageoneplus/corrections.html

"A report in the Memo Pad column in the Itineraries pages of Business Day yesterday about an international route planned by American Airlines misstated one destination. The route is between Dallas-Fort Worth and Liberia, Costa Rica, not the African country Liberia."

Well, gee, that's a copout...you didn't just misstate the destination, you also misstated the entire premise of the flight? Is there any oil in the entire country of Costa Rica?



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 21):
(From today's New York Times) "A report in the Memo Pad column in the Itineraries pages of Business Day yesterday about an international route planned by American Airlines misstated one destination. The route is between Dallas-Fort Worth and Liberia, Costa Rica, not the African country Liberia."

I gather the reporter provided the much needed correction to those who print the corrections before the Public Editor has had a chance to say to him "Do tell... our readers understand the mix-up with Liberia, Costa Rica and Libera, the country in Africa. But, how did you come up with the airline targeting business travelers in the oil industry with nonstop service to a destination resort?".


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 21):
From http://www.nytimes.com/ref/pageonepl....html

For Heaven's sake! If the NY Times has this many errors each week, we may as well all start reading the Enquirer only for it's entertainment value and be done with it. Some of the other mistakes are even more inexcusable, like misspelling U.S. place names (Eagan, MN). My respect for the media has become all but non-existent.


User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
As for the Times, I gave up on them long ago. They don't check facts anymore, but the worst part is that anyone can quote the Times as a respected news source and never be questioned on accuracy or slant of the underlying article.

I totally agree, that is so true. What was more intriguing was not so much that he got his geography screwed up but that he reverse-engineered a logic as to why AA would fly to Africa, that there is oil & gas there and so that is a good reason for AA to service the route. Its depairing to note that what at one time was the epitomy of austere and realiable reporting is now this.

In my humber opinion, the only newpaper that tells the truth consistently and as objectively as it can is The Financial Times.



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User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
I'm not surprised. People in Manhattan don't even know where Connecticut is. How the heck would they know there is a place called Liberia in Costa Rica?

Having not been born and raised in NYC, I noticed something when I came here... Not only do people not know from places outside of NY, but they most likely don't care to know.

No offense to native NYers and for being slightly off-topic.

Jeremy



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25 BostonGuy : Having lived in Manhattan for a number of years it took some getting used to in hearing people describe where other cities were located striclty in t
26 RogerThat : Quoting Dennis Miller: "I've given up on reading the NY Times....I get more accurate information in the AutoTrader."
27 Post contains links and images Pmg1704 : Oh please, let he who is without sin... Sharkey does good work, and the NYTimes is the last decent independent news voice that isn't controlled by a c
28 BostonGuy : I'm sure Sharkey has done good work. But the New York Times has itself admitted recently that relatively recent transgressions by reporters were so g
29 Junction : He didn’t even read the AA press release. Then he made up a bunch of stuff about Africa and AA starting to fly there. That’s absolutely rotten wo
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