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Why No GSO-CLE On CO?  
User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Just wondering why there are no GSO-CLE flights on CO? It seems most airlines serving GSO fly non-stop to their main hubs (except for AA to ORD and DL to SLC to name a couple)...I remember when CO Express got their new ERJ's that GSO was one of the 1st cities to get the new RJ....Flights to CLE were dropped after 9/11 but never returned...Why? Any insight would be nice.

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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6556 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Considering GSO, very briefly, used to be VERY important to CO, you'd think they'd maintain a decent presence there, like AA has in BNA and RDU.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

I recently moved to the Piedmont Triad, and I continue to hope that CO will offer CLE flights. It is the easiest and most convenient midwest hub IMO. For the skyteamers like me, there is still DTW and CVG.

GSO-PIT used to be flown by US props. CLE and PIT are pretty close. Maybe commutair could run a few B1900's a day.

Another city I'd like to see get CLE service is OKC



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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 492 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

because CLE gets the crumbs of CO, that's why. To think I was all excited when CO signed their 10 year lease. There's been no new major service in years, certainly not since 9/11 and us Clevelanders get excited over a new once a week summer only flight to ABQ of all things. Everything tried, such as BHM and XNA, is withdrawn. IMHO the airport is so underserved. You know your in trouble when a devoted CO fan such as myself took a recent trip out of CAK because Airtran had a more convenient schedule.

User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting Ncflyer (Reply 3):
You know your in trouble when a devoted CO fan such as myself took a recent trip out of CAK because Airtran had a more convenient schedule.

Yes. Except when ATL has those pesky flow control and ground stop issues
caused by thunderstorms and low vis(one cloud in the sky over ATL). Oh
well AirTran had a better on-time performance than AS (#19 out of 20).

But back to topic at hand I do remember flying GSO-CLE back in '00-01
on ATR-42's and EMB-120's when CoEx still had turboprops.



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User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 4):
But back to topic at hand I do remember flying GSO-CLE back in '00-01
on ATR-42's and EMB-120's when CoEx still had turboprops.

Thats right....I had forgotten about the ATR's...I remember after the AA Eagle ATR crash at Roselawn, IN (due to ice on the wings) that the CO Express ATR's were relegated to the GSO hub during the winter months flying to PHL and BWI amongst others....


User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting Ncflyer (Reply 3):



Quoting Ncflyer (Reply 3):
because CLE gets the crumbs of CO, that's why

THAT IS BOTH TRUE AND AN UNDERSTATEMENT!!! Check the CO website for news releases in 2005 alone. There are new nonstop service announcements from EWR and IAH nearly weekly while the CLE "hub" stagnates and silently deteriorates as you pointed out. CO will have a terrific excuse to close this "hub" in the future whether on its own or through future merger thanks to the never ending neglect.


User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting Joeman (Reply 6):
CO will have a terrific excuse to close this "hub" in the future whether on its own or through future merger thanks to the never ending neglect.

For the sake of IAH and EWR that is... Yes it is all about prestige and the divine yield these days despite high load factors and the stupid fare structures. Spare me any LCC info, peanut brains understand...


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5557 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

I agree that CO treats CLE like the red-headed stepchild, but in this case the fact is CLE-GSO O&D is only about 25 pax a day for Q4/04. How much service do you expect for 25 pax a day?

Since PIT-GSO was cancelled, maybe they could snag enough connecting traffic to support 2 B1900s a day for CLE-GSO; but I haven't seen CO attempt to take any advantage of the shrinkage going on in PIT.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

I went to school at UNCG a few years ago. Just flew in and out of there a couple of months ago to see some friends in the area. Even though it was just a few years ago that I lived in Greensboro, GSO is a shadow of its former self. Rather sad. I prefered GSO over RDU any day...

fluffy


User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 9):
Even though it was just a few years ago that I lived in Greensboro, GSO is a shadow of its former self. Rather sad.

well GSO is back to around 100 flights a day...which is not too far under what it was before 9/11...of course since then, FL abandoned us for CLT haha and we never regained MQ to ORD and LGA....9N dropped PIT and S5 has been long gone...but DH and OH have picked up some of the slack thankfully....Hopefully when Delta moves to the newly expanded North Concourse this fall AA or US/HP will expand some....would be nice to see B6 here too....although im sure they'll go to RDU like everybody else...ho hum...of course will never forget the "glory" days of the CO hub in the mid 90's.... Wink


User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8):
Since PIT-GSO was cancelled, maybe they could snag enough connecting traffic to support 2 B1900s a day for CLE-GSO; but I haven't seen CO attempt to take any advantage of the shrinkage going on in PIT.

CO is letting DL/CVG and NW/DTW handle any potential new volume which sums up their CLE operation completely.


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