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User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Hi plane lovers...
Does any one can tell me which are the all new Mexican airlines... Estimate fleets and owners... Sorry Im from Mexico and I didn't know very well about it.


757 forever
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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Hi Cun757. TA, Televisa, SINCA Inbursa and Pedro Aspe's Protego working together with private equity funds manager Discovery will each own 25% of a new LCC based out of TLC to be named Vuela; I believe A320's will be their planes of choice.

On the other hand, the Alemán family (ex-Televisa shareholders, ex-Veracruz governor) will own ABC Interjet. I am not sure if this carrier will also be based out of TLC, but it seems they will go for A32x's as well.

A Volar Airlines is also a new LCC owned -I believe- by a Mr. Neme (sp?). It will have 735's (and maybe another type too). If you run a search, you will find more info about this carrier and the routes it will operate. I don't recall what their hub will be but it is not TLC.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineThaiboynMexico From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

So great to see more and more low-cost carriers in Mexico.

User currently offlineHenpol747 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 2):
So great to see more and more low-cost carriers in Mexico.

Well, I really hope that they will be low-cost. Flying in Mexico is too expensive!!

Regards,

Henpol747



Vive la France! ¡Viva México!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Whether they will be true low cost carriers (as in cost structure, turnaround times, etc.) remains to be seen. Nevertheless, I am sure they will be low fares carriers because that's the only way they can fight for marketshare.

Even MX is now joining the low-fare fad. Aerocaribe is now Click Mexicana and it is already offering one-way fares of $399 MXP (plus tax) to some destinations!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Well, I really hope that they will be low-cost. Flying in Mexico is too expensive!!

That's true, in the beginning they always say its going to be low cost but after few years there are the same like the big ones but in a old planes...
Two months ago I pay for my wife and daughter CUN-MEX in Mexicana 9500 pesos about 900 US.. One way... Its no fear...

Eddie... The 320 of Vuela are new...?



757 forever
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Cun757,

Visit www.apm-group.com.mx (News sections) there's more info on start-ups over there!

Fast list of names and fleets and the end of the year:

Avolar 4X B735S
AeroMexpress 1X B762F
Interjets-ABC 7X A320s (S.H. ex. Volare) + 10 new on order for 1Q07 and 10 options.
Vuela 10X A320s (S.H. probably from TA or new)
Aerotropical 2X B732s
Republic Air 3X B732s
GOLMEX 10X B737NGS (7G AND 8S).


Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Thanks Ghost...
Are all this are suppose to be low fare airlines...?
So now we are a low fare country.... To many low cost airlines plus Azteca, Aviacsa, Magnicharters...
Its fun before nobody wants to invest on Airlines and now it looks like the great business...



757 forever
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Thanks Ghost for the detailed breakup of the planes.

I want to re-emphasize that whether these carriers will be true low cost carriers is still uncertain and hard to tell. The low cost nature of an airline is determined by their ability to, you guessed it, operate with lower costs than traditional airlines and, therefore, short turnaround times are needed, secondary airports are usually chosen as hubs so as to pay lower fees, no mileage-based frequent flier programs are offered, fleet is composed of only one type of aicraft usually, in-cabin service is bare bones and additional service is usually available at a price, etc.

In any case, as I mentioned, be sure these carriers, true low cost carriers or not, will be offering nice, lower fares once they begin operations.

By way of comparison, easyJet and Ryanair are LCC's. Click Mexicana is simply a low fare carrier but it does not qualify as an LCC.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Does Aviacsa its considered LCC..?
Do you know something about new planes for them...?



757 forever
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

The biggest question is who is going to survive?

(My opinion)
survivors- CLICK, Aviacsa, Azteca, Vuela, and GOL.
Without newer aircraft, I don't think Aerocalifornia is going to make it.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

I just visited apm-group.com.mx. "Great job guys". When the MX A330 and the AM B777 arrive, the number of views will go even higher.

User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2206 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

What kills us are taxes for flying in Mexico, we may have tons of LLC in our country but with IVA tua AND tons of other stuff thrown in, basically we are screwed, like the "tenencia for our cars", but heck I congratulate those who are investing in new ailines and Ill try to fly them....

Best regards
TRB



The best seat in a Plane is the Jumpseat.
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 12):
What kills us are taxes for flying in Mexico, we may have tons of LLC in our country but with IVA tua AND tons of other stuff thrown in, basically we are screwed, like the "tenencia for our cars", but heck I congratulate those who are investing in new ailines and Ill try to fly them....

You can pay $300USD for a round trip and add $120-150USD only for taxes, that´s why will be very hard to have a true LCC in our country, just an example like somebody said above, ClickMX have fares for about $500MXP but add $1500mxp in taxes, and there you have $2000mxp ($200USD) round trip, hope with going to TLC, ADN and other airports the taxes can come down.

Cheers



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
The biggest question is who is going to survive?

I believe Aviacsa, Azteca and Clik... Those are the ones that stay in the game, lets see how the new ones start.



757 forever
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 7):
Are all this are suppose to be low fare airlines...?

All certainly are new options, but no all will be able to offer schedule passenger service.

Perhaps DGAC's site: http://dgac.sct.gob.mx/ will help you out for further and detailed information. For instance, there's a wide list available were it classify the airlines as 'schedule and charters' which are:

AVOLAR (LCC)
Aerolitoral
AeroMexico
LAA (LCC)
CMA
Aviacsa (semi-LCC)
Jett Paq
Estafeta
Magnicharters (charter-LCC)
AeroMar
AeroUnion
Vuela (LCC)

The rest are 'charter' carriers:

Global Air
Nova Air
Aerotropical/Tropicharters
Republic Air
AeroPostal

Nova Air has currently an authorization for charter service but they will try to get to the big league and join the schedule carriers, of course, this needs more requirements and time, therefore the long take-off from Avolar, Vuela and InterJET-ABC which this last one is still in the paper process, AeroMexpress is in the exact same situation, they lost it's license but this last months of 2005 will try to get everything set in order to start by late December or January 06.

As for Tropical, Republic Air and Global Air I see them more like a competition with Magnicharters., consider also the fact of their small fleets.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 7):
So now we are a low fare country.... To many low cost airlines plus Azteca, Aviacsa, Magnicharters...

Aviacsa claims to be... but sometimes it isn't. ZE it's still too small in fleet and market share. As for Magnicharters, I think their market it's special and less attended by the rest.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 9):
Does Aviacsa its considered LCC..?

See above!

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 9):
Do you know something about new planes for them...?

Aviacsa's plans will be less aggressive than the past, considering all the new entrants. But still, next step it's to make a fleet renewal with Boeing's 737-3/4/5s.

Additionally, just two days ago, still CEO Morales announced recent plans of 6A at PBC and JFK/EWR:

http://www.aca-novenet.com.mx/nacional/230805/22PARTI.html
http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/i...?id_articulo=24483&tabla=articulos

They plan to open a new PBC-MTY-NYC flight soon!!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
The biggest question is who is going to survive?

(My opinion)
survivors- CLICK, Aviacsa, Azteca, Vuela, and GOL.
Without newer aircraft, I don't think Aerocalifornia is going to make it.

I think all carriers will be able to survive, but as a consequence of a crowded offer in the market from several airlines, expansion will be less noticable and slow for all airlines except for the new LCC's at the beginning.

Despite Aviacsa's delayed fleet renovation, their brand is well recognized by passengers as for AeroCalifornia, that certainly is a sad situation, despite they're renewing and migrating all it's fleet to newer and bigger Dc9-32s the book of the cover still unchanged. They need newer MD80s or B733s!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 11):
I just visited apm-group.com.mx. "Great job guys". When the MX A330 and the AM B777 arrive, the number of views will go even higher.

Thanks a lot Juventus!! I'm glad you liked the site. We are lacking a lot of things but with the time we hope to improve in everything!! We are about to reach the 30K visits during the first 13 months!! Not bad... compared to several examples of important companies in Mex with websites!!!


Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Thanks Ghost, as always full and great info....
Do you have any new news about CUN airport, they start to build the second runway...
Also I right a new topic of a EMB190 in Mex for AM... Do you know something about it...?



757 forever
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 15):
Nova Air has currently an authorization for charter service but they will try to get to the big league and join the schedule carriers, of course, this needs more requirements and time

They already have an agreement for the fuel and airport services, their "sponsor" is Petroservicios.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 15):
As for Magnicharters, I think their market it's special and less attended by the rest.

Indeed, their only regular service is their "Magnicharters VIP" for MTY-MEX-MTY it took some passengers from AM/MX oversold "Ejecutiva and Premier" but some days they don´t have the load factor they want, but still a good option.

Cheers



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 15):
Despite Aviacsa's delayed fleet renovation, their brand is well recognized by passengers as for AeroCalifornia, that certainly is a sad situation, despite they're renewing and migrating all it's fleet to newer and bigger Dc9-32s the book of the cover still unchanged. They need newer MD80s or B733s!

Now that you talk about AeroCalifornia and LCC's, I just witnessed an impressive turn around of a DC9-32 XA-SWG in San Jose Del Cabo. I don't consider JR a true LCC, but they way they compress their schedules and the time they have their planes in the air makes me think that they look more and more like one.

I was in SJD last Sunday and there were 4 departures at around the same time: AA to LAX on a MD82, AM to SAN on a MD83, AM to MEX on a MD88 and JR to LAX on a D9S. The first airplane to arrive was AA's N570AA followed by AM's N162PL and AM's XA-TLH. Obviously, the last one to arrive was XA-SWG. Guess which airplane departed first. You got it, it was JR's D9S. My brother and I measured the turn around time and it was 32 minutes from landing to take-off (including taxi time). Just impressive!!!


User currently offlineWiLdmanVzla From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

I really hope for new LCCs since fares are really expensives!!!!!!

For example... MEX-PVR-MEX for sept.:

Azteca: 3655.63 MX$ (the cheaper choice)
MX: 7033.18 MX$!!!!!! (almost the same than MEX-CCS-MEX)
AM: 5468.03 MX$

*******


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

wildmanvzla, you are correct, AM and MX are too expensive. I try to fly them when I visit family in Mexico, but usually don't becuase of their fares.

User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 20):
wildmanvzla, you are correct, AM and MX are too expensive. I try to fly them when I visit family in Mexico, but usually don't becuase of their fares.

Juventus, you are correct. I only fly AM or MX when i use my frecuent flyer miles earned via credit card spending. Rest of the time I do Aviacsa or the american carriers. The thing is, now AM and MX invented a fee of $75 USD plus airport fees for every awarad ticket you try to redeem. Thank god I am almost out of miles. They almost want to charge you for the cost of the miles you hardly earned spending or flying. If they keep doing that, they are going to start loosing more customers (like me). The idea of a frecuent flyer program desapearing from those two airlines. That just makes me feel happy for all those new airline start-ups that will bring competition to its best. Welcome to Mexico new LCC´s.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

I would like to fly MX and AM more, but I just can't afford to do it. Lately, their fares have gotten better, but still at least $100 more than Alaska or CAL.

User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
A Volar Airlines is also a new LCC owned -I believe- by a Mr. Neme

As far as I know, A Volar could not come up with any real cash, so the three MD 90's they were going to take (ex Air Aruba) are being scrapped for parts.



Resting on your laurels is a synonym for flirting with disaster
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting Skyone (Reply 21):
Thank god I am almost out of miles. They almost want to charge you for the cost of the miles you hardly earned spending or flying. If they keep doing that, they are going to start loosing more customers (like me).

And me!!

Quoting D950 (Reply 23):
As far as I know, A Volar could not come up with any real cash, so the three MD 90's they were going to take (ex Air Aruba) are being scrapped for parts.

Right! And as a consequence, AVolar will only get from the second hand market B737-300/400/500/700s.


Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
25 Juventus : Avolar will get 737-300/400/500/700 instead of MDs, BEAUTIFUL. I think the 737 is a much better option than the MDs.
26 Cun757 : Its any Mexican LCC its thinking in get 757...? I know there are for long-medium range, but do you remember Allegro, they use to have very good contra
27 ERJ170 : Any new word on Mexus? Are they any closer to starting ops?
28 Ghost77 : The only rumors around for B757s are Estafeta Cargo for 2XB757s or 1 B752 and 1 B767 and Magnicharters for 1 B757 due 2006. But don't discard Aviacsa
29 Cun757 : Like I say long time ago, Magnicharters its working great, and now with the beauty of the 757, better and better... Can wait to see a 757 with the Est
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