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AI Order "Almost" Approved!  
User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

No idea why the headline says "59" aircraft though.

NEW DELHI: The first-ever outcome budget presented in Parliament on Thursday said approval for acquisition of 50 aircraft by Air India was expected this financial year.

The approval for acquisition of 43 aircraft by Indian Airlines will also be obtained, it said without giving a timeframe.

[Edited 2005-08-25 16:43:43]

49 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

I'm currently kneeling with my eyes closed and praying for this to happen.

PG


User currently offlineVivek0072 From India, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

That some great news, but when will they approve it finally ?

Do you have any link which mentions the same ? I did a quick search but could not find one.



That life's most failures were people who did not realise how close they were to success when they gave up. - Edison.
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

source! source! and as you yourself say this financial year, I'd say too early to celebrate. Sorry for pouring cold water, but better be reasonable.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Here's the source. Of course I wouldn't just make it up! Big grin

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1210671.cms


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

thanks!! but lets keep the celebration for the time when GOI acutally pays the initial deposit.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

read the same article, but eevryone faster..

A provision in the budget implies that it IS approved by the way.. normal parlamentary procedures - NOTHING is in the budget WITHOUT APPROVAL

By the way, and I have said that in the IC Thread:

Indian Airlines (IC) Fleet Deal Today @ Cabinet (by Mrniji Aug 25 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Though I do not like Chidambram (not coz he is a TamBram, Texdravid  - other reasons), it seems like that he was a drivinf force.. when it comes to "Market Decisions", he is the right man... hopefully the airbusses come "in a new livery for IC (I hate the current one), or better, an AI Livery" but merger unlikely

And I think AI needs a peppier livery for single deckers

By the way the headline of the article implies that some idiot wrote it

[Edited 2005-08-25 17:14:50]

User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 6):
By the way the headline of the article implies that some idiot wrote it

Maybe not.. 9 and 0 are side-by-side.  Wink


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Re language splits and funnies, nonsequiturs and unintended consequences

here in the midwest if you say AI to someone they will think you are referring to artificial insemination of cattle.


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

IA fleet acquisition plan in eGoM's court

Quote:
New Delhi, Aug. 25 (PTI): Giving a thrust to the much- delayed fleet acquisition plan of the Indian Airlines, the Cabinet Commitee on Economic Affairs (CCEA) tonight referred the matter to an empowered Group of Ministers (eGoM) for a final round of price negotiation with European aircraft manufacturer Airbus Industrie.

The final round of negotiations would be carried out with the European consortium "within a month", sources said after an hour-long meeting of the CCEA chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

The composition of the eGoM would be decided by the Prime Minister, they said, adding that there would be no further discussion in the Cabinet on the matter after the eGoM takes a decision.

As per its latest project report, the Indian Airlines has planned to acquire 43 Airbus aircraft of different mix at a total cost of Rs 10,237 crores.

The need for a final round of price negotiations arose after a group of MPs wrote to the government quoting reports that the Airbus Industrie had offered a lower price for a similar order by a Southeast Asian airline.



User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2891 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

I saw an interview with P.Chidambaram on CNBC late in the evening, where there was mention of both airlines.

For Air India: he said that his ministry had cleared the deal and it was forwarded to.........[crap i forgot which committee], but it seemed to definitly take place by Diwali or October end.

For Indian Airlines the news anchor mentioned that the meeting had approved the deal and now they will negotiate the price with Airbus in the coming month and the decision is expected to be arrived at within the next 3 weeks.

And if anyone can please find the link to Seans post on the steps involved in the approval process.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
And if anyone can please find the link to Seans post on the steps involved in the approval process.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1834706/6/
BINGO!.
Check reply #11.
As per the list its the Final step. bigthumbsup 
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 9):
The final round of negotiations would be carried out with the European consortium "within a month", sources said after an hour-long meeting of the CCEA chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

The composition of the eGoM would be decided by the Prime Minister, they said, adding that there would be no further discussion in the Cabinet on the matter after the eGoM takes a decision.

this says it all. Guys keep your cork screw handy!!
cheers  champagne 
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Finally.Its going to be Inked soon.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
the decision is expected to be arrived at within the next 3 weeks.

3 weeks!! You mean my grand children will not be discussing when this order might materilize?

Overall I am so glad that IC is this close to getting new aircrafts.

So from what I understand so far:

IC - The decision to buy new aircrafts has been approved by all committes and sub-committies, cabinets, PMO, and everybody else involved. Now the IC folks have to negotiate price and place the order. Anybody know when deliveries are to take place?

AI - One last approval is required (The mighty cabinet from Sean's list). However provisions for this sale have been made in the budget and so it seems like the cabinet has already approved of this deal (during the budget making process) or is very close to approving the deal. So the official order will be placed in October/Diwali time. When might these deliveries start taking place?


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Air India ( and Air New Zealand) are the only airlines which Boeing has not yet released the photos of their livery on the 787. Any one think Air India might change their livery soon? and Boeing is waiting until then to release the photos?

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
Any one think Air India might change their livery soon? and Boeing is waiting until then to release the photos?

Boeing could very well be waiting for some other reason, probably for AI/GOI to make up its mind.
As for the livery, the palace windows are going nowhere.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Please remember that the time durations in Indian beauracracy is similar to football. You know how long a "american football minute" lasts, don't you? Big grin

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
Any one think Air India might change their livery soon

After the once tried time NO WAY.
Probably Boeing is Awaiting the Ink on the Paper  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
After the once tried time NO WAY.

Actually, who knows. They might even change it. Remember they hired an image makeover firm recently.

I wouldn't keep my fingers crossed but who knows if they do change it.


User currently offlineDesh From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

A week is a long time in India politics - financial year is an eternity - I can almost see Laloo Prasad Yadav (Railway Minister) asking for the same money to be given to Indian Railways for the LTV !!!

 Big grin Big grin Big grin



"History is merely a list of surprises. It can only prepare us to be surprised yet again." - Kurt Vonnegut
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

here is some detailed information

Airbus bags IA deal

The Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs (CCEA) on Thursday granted an in-principle nod to the $2-billion project and referred the order to an empowered group of ministers (EGoM), which will now conduct a final round of time-bound price negotiations with Paris-based Airbus Industrie.

The fresh aircraft purchase deal to be concluded by EGoM, said government officials, would be final and would not have to be referred back to the Cabinet.

"The entire deal is expected to be finalised in a month’s time after which IA will be able to place orders for the commercial jets,"an official said.

IA has proposed to buy 19 Airbus A319s, four A320s and 20 A321s. The planes would be inducted in the IA fleet over the next four years. While 70% of these 43 aircraft would replace the carrier’s aging fleet, the remaining would be used for capacity enhancement. Among the aircraft that would be phased out are 11 Boeing 737s, which comprise the Alliance Air fleet, 15 A-320s which are on lease and three A-300s.

The Times of India

similar article also by Forbes
rgds
VT-ASJ

[Edited 2005-08-26 01:20:26]


ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3636 times:

Very good news for Indian Aviation.. Let me just mention that the BJP led NDA failed 5 (!!) years to do so, and the UPA has managed in a little more than a year (which is still too long). If anyone is interested, I can send you an article of an author who puts the effectiveness of AI in relation of the effectiveness of governments (i.e. coalition governments etc).. good read from EPW

Quoting Sunnyb (Reply 19):
Actually, who knows. They might even change it. Remember they hired an image makeover firm recently.

Makes sense. But they will probably only slightly modify it.. the windows will have to stay - something really ethnic would do - the current livery looks bad on the Rustbuckets ..This is pure speculation though


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3626 times:
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
Air India ( and Air New Zealand) are the only airlines which Boeing has not yet released the photos of their livery on the 787.

Actually, they have released one of Air India.



User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 23):
Actually, they have released one of Air India.

This livery makes the 787 look like an Airbus A310.. they need something more original for the single deckers.. but the double deckers do well with the present livery..

and.. when will AI order the 380?  bigthumbsup 


25 Post contains images HAWK21M : When the Local Airports can hold them So Finally IC & AI can move on in the next couple of Months. regds MEL
26 Nimish : Wow - that looks incredible! All the best to AI/IC - I hope they can get their acts together and realize that cooperation is their best bet at the mo
27 HAWK21M : The AI livery looked good Only on the B747s. Probably because the Windows streching well forward. regds MEL
28 Karan69 : By when would the first deliveries start if the order were to be placed by the end of the year. Also, i seriously doubt the 20 odd 787-800s can be use
29 Aseem : that's precisely the point I tried to make in one of the threads, A310 and B787 are in different league. Those differing better get their facts right
30 Post contains images Mrniji : many airlines use widebories like these (here the 777) for medium haul. I see no problem. Moreover, Kharan Bhaaii, 28 787s or 20 787s (even if odd) a
31 Post contains images Karan69 : Thats because 20 were firm and 8 were options thats why i put it as 20 odd Thats because SQ and TG pick up hordes of connecting/transit passengers al
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : Any Idea How long after will Production will the B787s arrive,Presumingly the Deal goes through regds MEL
33 Post contains links and images Aseem : something interesting that is being negotiated along with the AI deal. A-I set to pitch for MRO, training unit with Boeing BANGALORE: Air-India is cle
34 22right : I think this order will only become a reality when that flying death trap called Agra (VT-EVA) comes down one of these days, due to crap falling off i
35 Aseem : the solution to the problem you raised lies not in new aircraft, but overhauling of the work culture at AI and IC. We are expecting that partial prop
36 Georgiabill : Great news for Air India. Hopefully the final approvals for the deal will be concluded soon. I was wondering in the future could AI be a potential cus
37 777ER : I've got a Boeing issed photo of Air NZs B787. The photo also shows NZs B772ER
38 Himmat01 : Actually, they have released one of Air India The red nose is missing!!!
39 Himmat01 : You need not worry on the maintenance part. AI engineering is world class.
40 Post contains images HAWK21M : Just what I was thinking.At work We were discussing the same.Why bother about B737NGs & A320s when the opportunity to Work on AI B772LR,B773ER & B787
41 AirIndiaOne : Couldn't agree more on this! The livery somehow looks very odd on the rustbuckets!
42 22right : You guys may very well have a basis to make the assertion that AI engg is up to par. But I am basing my assessment of AI (as a lay-man passenger) on
43 Post contains images Mrniji : I second you.. when I flew VT-EPW DEL-FRA, the condense water dripped on my neighbor, when I flew back, it dripped on me (first flight: Seat 1K, seco
44 HAWK21M : Agreed Totally To Me Cleaning is the 1st part of Mx & Cabin Interiors are no different.They may not be a Safety aspect.But do influence a Pax view of
45 Post contains links and images Aseem : here is some news which does not paint a very rosy picture, or as rosy we were presuming. At least we can see them moving. Inter-ministerial panel dis
46 HAWK21M : By Diwali,things should conclude is the Rumour. regds MEL
47 Karan69 : It cleared the Pre PIB stage today.
48 NYC777 : Yeah but it's the last few minutes that are the most exciting!
49 HAWK21M : I hope AI Starts Recruiting AMEs soon considering the Lengthy Process. B787s,B772LR,B773ERs would beat the B737NGs,A320s & B752SFs anyday. regds MEL
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