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Northwest 757 Sabotaged Say Maryland Police  
User currently offlineSWALoveField From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 179 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14670 times:

I apologize for not being able to find a link, but CNN is reporting that Maryland police say a Northwest Airlines 757 was sabotaged when someone let the air out of its tires at BWI.

It was discovered during the pre-flight inspection.

Police were also quoted as saying that this may be related to the ongoing mechanics strike.

Does anyone have more info on this to share? I'm going to keep looking for a link.

If this report is accurate, this strike is taking a nasty and potentially dangerous turn.

Robb
Dallas, TX

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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14629 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/08/25/northwest.problems/


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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14593 times:

And why are we asked to support unions ???

User currently offlineSWALoveField From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14561 times:

Thanks MattRB.

Robb
Dallas, TX


User currently offlineSolehibob From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14486 times:

I'd worry about this a whole lot more:

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_237094239.html


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14473 times:

If someone does any damage to an aircraft any time any place, they should be proscuted to the fullest extent of the law, and the laws should be very tough. If it was someone connected to the union (and how they would get access to the aircraft side of the airport is a good question) did this, and it can be proven, then the union should be told to turn that person in to the law and if necessary the company should suspend talks until the offender is turned in.

User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14448 times:

CNN is sure implying the strike had something to do with both incidents mentioned in the article. While that may be true, lets let the investigators find out. Plus, the A320 hydraulic problem I believe was probably something that would have come up strike or no strike.

User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14430 times:
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From the CNN story "The Maryland Transportation Authority Police is investigating the tire deflation as a crime, a spokeswoman said"

Seems like the replacements must be doing a decent job if the AMFA (or its supporters) are resorting to such measures.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 14080 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14280 times:

How can they be sure that one of the new replacement mechanics didn´t do a tyre service correctly? I have had planes incoming, outside strike situations, where mechanics on American stations didn´t tighten down the valve cores, resulting in the tyres leaking air. I would check first who did the last walkaround inspection and tyre service.

Also, since every aircraft type uses different tyre pressures, it is quite possible that mechanic confused the tyre pressures. Outside the strike the whole thing would be a non issue.

Jan


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14180 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
If someone does any damage to an aircraft any time any place, they should be proscuted to the fullest extent of the law

They will be. Oh, let me add the word 'intentionally'. One of our trucks accidentally clipped a YX DC-9 in wing in MKE during a planeside op about 7 years ago. I don't think anyone deserved jail time for that.  Wink

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
and the laws should be very tough.

They are.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14021 times:

There could be any number of reasons for this, so lets not immediately pile on the striking workers. If it is found to be A INDIVIDUAL striking mech, I am sure they will be punished. If that is the case, though, a bigger question to ask is how did they get access to the aircraft in the first place?


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User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14000 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
How can they be sure that one of the new replacement mechanics didn´t do a tyre service correctly? I have had planes incoming, outside strike situations, where mechanics on American stations didn´t tighten down the valve cores, resulting in the tyres leaking air. I would check first who did the last walkaround inspection and tyre service.

Also, since every aircraft type uses different tyre pressures, it is quite possible that mechanic confused the tyre pressures. Outside the strike the whole thing would be a non issue.

You're implaying that the replacement mechanics are retards. Of course, they'll check the logs and verify with everyone who was working or was near the aircraft.

Outside strike tempering with equipment would still be huge issue, however in the given context this is correctly even more important issue than otherwise would be.


User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13983 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
If someone does any damage to an aircraft any time any place, they should be proscuted to the fullest extent of the law, and the laws should be very tough.

A felony is no laughing matter.

From the WCCO article:

Quote:
The mechanics do not want to be identified, because they fear a future employer would not hire whistleblowers.

That's a great reason for unions, isn't it?

The unions are losing ground/credibility a lot faster than NWA and their management.


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13897 times:

This is a very serious allegation (and everybody seems to realize that) but it is too early to jump to conclusions. There are a number of reasons not related to sabotage that could cause this problem. Police are not avation experts and they may be mistaken. Also don't discount that the story could be planted by management to affect the talks. However if this is related to the strike, and it was a disgruntled mechanic, then the union is finished.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 14080 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13863 times:

Quoting KUGN (Reply 11):
You're implaying that the replacement mechanics are retards.

I have been working as A&P mechanic / LAME for about ten years now. And before I have worked in other fields of aviation. Trust me, there are retarded mechanics around, blokes who are outright dangerous for both the coworkers and whoevr flies on the plane. I know some blokes with whom I will refuse to work, if a boss ever puts me on the same shift. I know other guys I will watch very closely if I have to sign for their work.

Right now NWA want to bust the union. They are forced to hire replacement mechanics, who wouldn´t get a job somewhere else. Just having an A&P licence in the pocket doesn´t make you a good mechanic. Actually I have both, the FAA A&P licence and an European JAR 66 B1 licence, whicxh was based on an Irish licence. The Irish licence exams (based on the British system) were much tougher than the A&P exams.

Jan


User currently offlineMikefad From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13669 times:

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 2):
And why are we asked to support unions ???


I work in a union food processing plant that had a metal scare(nothing EVER left the plant). Turns out a manager intentionally contaminated the product to put the union in a bad light. He was escorted off the property only after a years worth of 'interviews' with only union employees(scumbags).He(manager/non-union employee) was given closer scrutiny after union workers repeatedly told the corporate investigators about this guy........... His firing has never been posted or formally acknowledged by the company.

My point being : the company has alot riding on this strike........Promotions , demotions ,and firings are in the balance.

With stakes that high , you can't put the management beyond reproach.....


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13608 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 12):
Quote:
The mechanics do not want to be identified, because they fear a future employer would not hire whistleblowers.

That's a great reason for unions, isn't it?

The honest truth is that many/most public whistleblowers in the US are indeed unable to find future work in their chosen field after they blow the whistle. What on earth does this have to do with unions?! Think. Then type.



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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2294 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13347 times:

I would be surprised if the tire deflation were investigated outside a strike. Any number of things could have caused that, as mentioned above, outside of malicious intent. I know people can be capable of potentially dangerous things, but deflating two tires? Not likely. The only damage would be a short delay to inflate them. Easy enough.


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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13210 times:

Would in it be dangerous to deflate aircraft tires?


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User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12634 times:

Maybe it was a striker or a sympathizer or someone totally unrelated to the strike. My problem with these kinds of incidents when a strike is underway is the weak-kneed response by union leaders to any allegations against the union members. Typically it is a defensive "We don't condone ...". What is required is "The union doesn't tolerate vandalism, intimidation or violence in any way, shape or form. Any union member found to be responsible will be expelled from the union and lose their job rights". I've seen the weak response so often in response to obvious union member vandalism and I can only imagine union members hearing such a response get a wink-wink, knudge-knudge; yeh, it isn't right, but hey, screw the company and scabs.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 14080 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12624 times:

If the pressure is below a certain limit, the tyre will have to be replaced (depends also if the plane moved with the low pressure tyre). If ithe pressure is below another (lower) limit the other tyre on the axle would have to be changed as well.

Low pressure can cause the tyre to overheat and burst.



To deflate an aircaft tyre you�ll need a special deflating tool to unscrew the valve core.

Jan


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Aren't the striking mechanics locked out?

Jack



If not now, then when?
User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12456 times:

Just think if that had not been identified in time and the aircraft would have been allowed to leave. Who ever was responsible for that would be facing attempted murder charges. Safety is not something anyone should use as a bargaining chip over labor negotiations and it doesn't matter if it was one disgruntlld mechanic or someone from management trying to put the employees in a bad light.

User currently offlineMidnights From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12349 times:

I can honestly say that in my 15 years as a mechanic at AA and 3 yrs prior to that at Pan Am..that I have replaced many many tires that were found flat with no apparent cause. sometimes it just happens..that's why flight crews do walk-around inspections and mechanics check the tires on overnight and even through trips. I don't know what "evidence" there was to lead the Baltimore P.D. to assume it was sabotage but I have seen tires pick up all sorts of FOD and go flat or even if the tire pressure was chkd maybe the valve core didn't reseat. I have seen that a couple of times...

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12037 times:

Quoting Midnights (Reply 23):
can honestly say that in my 15 years as a mechanic at AA and 3 yrs prior to that at Pan Am..that I have replaced many many tires that were found flat with no apparent cause. sometimes it just happens..that's why flight crews do walk-around inspections and mechanics check the tires on overnight and even through trips. I don't know what "evidence" there was to lead the Baltimore P.D. to assume it was sabotage but I have seen tires pick up all sorts of FOD and go flat or even if the tire pressure was chkd maybe the valve core didn't reseat. I have seen that a couple of times...

True....and only a fool takes the axle nut off before letting ALL the pressure out, and only a dead fool changes tires outside a cage. In my nearly five years working at McDonnell Douglas on the flighgt ramp the only instance of sabotage was when some production supervisors (i.e., MANAGEMENT and not UNION MEN AND WOMEN) took cutting pliers to wire harnesses in a couple of MD80s because they were getting laid off along with everyone else.


25 MD11Engineer : I have had some instances of tyres leaking air through pores in the sidewalls. I only noticed it because I was servicing them in rainy weather and saw
26 MGB80 : It would be very easy to determine if it was a deliberate act. If the valve cores are missing...bingo ! deliberate. If the fuse plugs blew due to brak
27 TWAL1011 : A wound is never healed until all the SCABS are gone!
28 N867BX : If that's true, this wound may never heal.
29 LMP737 : The problem here is that the union in question is on strike. Which means that there are no allowed on NWA property. I don't know about other airports
30 RyanAFAMSP : What is everyone talking about here? The AMFA mechanics are locked out. The only people with access to the ramp are the scabs and management. The AMFA
31 S12PPL : I might have to fly out to IND in September. I don't think I'm gonna even go near NW. I'll fly UA or CO and save my life.
32 Alphascan : In a non-seniority based system your theory would hold water. But it is a seniority based system in the US airline business and these replacement mec
33 Boeing7E7 : What leaves you with the false assumption that Mechanics layed off by other carriers, layed of by Northwest and re-hire retired mechnics formerly wit
34 NORTHSEATIGER : Well these are the union members !!!!!!!!!!! and yes they work with aircraft !!!!!
35 Jalto27R : Everyone's saying the Union mechanics that are striking aren't allowed on the airport, but what if someone didn't strike with the intentional purpose
36 Positiverate : " target=_blank>http://wcco.com/topstories/local_sto....html I'd worry about both. There's enough blame to go around here...
37 RJ777 : I hope it's just the tires that went bust and hope the airline doesn't.
38 DfwRevolution : >> What is everyone talking about here? The AMFA mechanics are locked out. The only people with access to the ramp are the scabs and management. The
39 NASCARAirforce : If it is proven that someone intentionally sabotaged an airliner, and that person is caught- perhaps they should be sent to Guantanimo and tried for t
40 LMP737 : DFWrevelution: So someone is going to go through all that trouble to let air out of tires? That's assuming of course this whole incident was intention
41 Dl757md : I'm not 100% sure about this but I believe that NW locked out all AMFA members thus preventing any from crossing the picket line and doing exactly wh
42 BWI757 : Alrighty then, stupid question on topic: BWI is just an endstation for NW - we get all variations of the domestic fleet here so do they keep a multi-c
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