Douglasdc8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16503 times:
As I recall reading in Aviation Week years ago, this almost happened to a CO 727 on a flight from EWR to ORD in the late 80's. Thankfully, an AA pilot noticed the 727's gear up, and announced that fact on the radio. The CO pilot pulled up, with only an antenna striking the runway. The flight then landed without further incident.
Mainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16145 times:
They should have heard a loud intermittent buzzing when they configure the flaps for landing and/or once the power is below a certain point. I wonder if they just ignored it or if the alarm wasn't working.
Bobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15740 times:
It happened to a major airline. They landed without knowing that the wheels were up. The first officer may have known, but he won't admit it and the NTSB can't prove it. The captain certainly did not know because he took control and landed the plane. There were no injuries. The accident report is very amusing.
Wheels-Up Landing, Continental Airlines Flight 1943
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C133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13372 times:
EVERY airplane with retractable landing gear has a gear up warning system triggered by reduced throttle, usually coupled with landing flaps, airspeed, something to avoid nuisance warnings. It is not easy to land with the gear retracted and yet it happens. The old saw is "Say again about landing gear tower, I can't hear you over the noise from this loud horn that's blowing."
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DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1623 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13022 times:
Pilots are merely people who make mistakes from time to time. Landing an airplane to me is the most difficult part of flying. There is a lot going on prior to a landing and if you don't double and triple check yourself you may forget a step. Obviously the gear is the most important thing to check but I can see how it can be forgotten. Before criticizing others, just remember none of us are perfect
Loadsheet From Saudi Arabia, joined Jul 2004, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12849 times:
in the 60's Swissair hat one incident in Vienna Austria. The pilots were on training and during an approach to rwy 11 they opened the window to simulate cabin pressure loss and therefor they did not hear the warning horn that the gear was not extended.
Jush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12598 times:
Strange though because you get a warning sound when your speed is getting lower and or the flaps are extended more than a certain degree...
And then again if you don't pull the gear lever you should get a proximity warning when coming near the ground (something like: terrain, terrain, pull up).
That are all facts for airliners not for private planes.
But i don't think it's possibile to do undeliberately in a modern plane.
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Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12215 times:
The L188 accident was a Channel Express aircraft at Shannon. I'm away from home at present and can't access my records but, from memory the date was March 1 1999.
The aircraft was on the daily flight which comes down from Dublin and then unloads and parks up at Shannon all day - now operated by an A300.
The flight approached the runway and, without benefit of undercarriage, three of the four props touched the tarmac forcing one prop on the port side to shatter and the others to be bent.
The shattered prop threw debris into the engine adjacent and stopped it. Debris punctured the fuselage in a number of places.
On the starboard side the inboard engine was rocked off centre from its mountings.
The captain elected to go around but on base leg the damaged starboard engine quit. With only one turning the aircraft managed to make it back to the runway and, in all the chaos, this time someone remembered to lower the gear.
The crew survived unharmed though no doubt their pride was dented and the Chief Pilot no doubt had some pithy comments.
The aircraft N285F fared much worse and was slowly broken up at Shannon over the next three years or so.
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11748 times:
Quoting C133 (Reply 17): EVERY airplane with retractable landing gear has a gear up warning system triggered by reduced throttle, usually coupled with landing flaps, airspeed, something to avoid nuisance warnings. It is not easy to land with the gear retracted and yet it happens
That is why I like me little Piper Arrow..The gear extends automatically with the reduced speed...Now this only happens if you can ignore the obnoxious horn going off!!
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: That was retarded. I don't think anyone on here was criticizing anyone but more of getting a kick out of how they just forgot. Yeah, it happens, but