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Pilots Forget To Put Down Landing Gear  
User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15952 times:
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http://www.boston.com/news/odd/artic...s_forget_to_put_down_landing_gear/

Talk about a major "ooops". How embarrassing. Thankfully it was not a large airliner.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15927 times:
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...then again, I guess most airliners will have a warning signal....

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5267 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15900 times:

Happens every weekend. It's a common weekend warrior problem. Count what the most popular accident was last weekend at:

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...reliminary_data/media/A_0822_Y.txt

I count three gear up landings and a few "gear collapsed", some of which might also be gear up landings.

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15772 times:

Quoting Planemannyc (Thread starter):
Talk about a major "ooops". How embarrassing. Thankfully it was not a large airliner.

Well, it's happened at least once in the past...

Frontier (v1.0) 737-200 at CPR in 1983....

http://members.tripod.com/~LAMKINS/FL_737CPR.jpg

[Edited 2005-08-25 23:15:31]

User currently offlineDouglasdc8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15758 times:

As I recall reading in Aviation Week years ago, this almost happened to a CO 727 on a flight from EWR to ORD in the late 80's. Thankfully, an AA pilot noticed the 727's gear up, and announced that fact on the radio. The CO pilot pulled up, with only an antenna striking the runway. The flight then landed without further incident.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15669 times:

And that is why you use your checklists!!! So many stupid pilot mistakes are because people get complacent and think they know everything and have "memorized" checklists or don't really use them.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15633 times:

The saddest part is that one was an instructor and the other was an instructor in training.  ill 

User currently offlineMGB80 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15555 times:

Obviously not taught GUMPS befrore landing
G - Gas
U - Undercarriage
M- Mixture
P - Props
S - Speed


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15475 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Well, it's happened at least once in the past...

Didn't AI come very close to landing a 744 gear up at EWR a few years ago?



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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15415 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Didn't AI come very close to landing a 744 gear up at EWR a few years ago?

Yes. An alert air traffic controller in the Newark Tower caught that one just in the nick of time and alerted the 744.


User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15400 times:

They should have heard a loud intermittent buzzing when they configure the flaps for landing and/or once the power is below a certain point. I wonder if they just ignored it or if the alarm wasn't working.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15372 times:

Yea, don't they have some kind of alarm in the plane?

User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15366 times:
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Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
The saddest part is that one was an instructor and the other was an instructor in training.

Yeah, good luck to their students!  Silly

In all honesty, I think they will probably alwayrs remember this incident .... for them it might be UGMPS forever  Wink

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 15179 times:

Don't they have a warning horn that sounds when there's an unsafe or retracted gear when the throttles are closed?

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8310 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 15168 times:

Guy at one of the local airports here just did that last week in a mooney.


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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 15072 times:

Hi!

I think a few years ago an L188 from Atlantic Airlines did the same, the crew forgot to put the gear down and some of the propellers diameter narrowed a "little bit"!!!
Regards


User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 14995 times:

It happened to a major airline. They landed without knowing that the wheels were up. The first officer may have known, but he won't admit it and the NTSB can't prove it. The captain certainly did not know because he took control and landed the plane. There were no injuries. The accident report is very amusing.

Wheels-Up Landing, Continental Airlines Flight 1943
Douglas DC-9 N10556
Houston, Texas
February 19, 1996

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/AAR9701.htm


User currently offlineC133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12627 times:
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EVERY airplane with retractable landing gear has a gear up warning system triggered by reduced throttle, usually coupled with landing flaps, airspeed, something to avoid nuisance warnings. It is not easy to land with the gear retracted and yet it happens. The old saw is "Say again about landing gear tower, I can't hear you over the noise from this loud horn that's blowing."


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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12606 times:

I like this:-

"No one was hurt in the incident. The plane received only minor damage, Johnson said."

I've seen a twin after a belly landing and there was nothing "minor" about the damage. Two knackered props for starters.


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12277 times:

Pilots are merely people who make mistakes from time to time. Landing an airplane to me is the most difficult part of flying. There is a lot going on prior to a landing and if you don't double and triple check yourself you may forget a step. Obviously the gear is the most important thing to check but I can see how it can be forgotten. Before criticizing others, just remember none of us are perfect


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User currently offlineLoadsheet From Saudi Arabia, joined Jul 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12104 times:

in the 60's Swissair hat one incident in Vienna Austria. The pilots were on training and during an approach to rwy 11 they opened the window to simulate cabin pressure loss and therefor they did not hear the warning horn that the gear was not extended.

User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11853 times:

Strange though because you get a warning sound when your speed is getting lower and or the flaps are extended more than a certain degree...
And then again if you don't pull the gear lever you should get a proximity warning when coming near the ground (something like: terrain, terrain, pull up).
That are all facts for airliners not for private planes.
But i don't think it's possibile to do undeliberately in a modern plane.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11470 times:

CV990,

The L188 accident was a Channel Express aircraft at Shannon. I'm away from home at present and can't access my records but, from memory the date was March 1 1999.

The aircraft was on the daily flight which comes down from Dublin and then unloads and parks up at Shannon all day - now operated by an A300.

The flight approached the runway and, without benefit of undercarriage, three of the four props touched the tarmac forcing one prop on the port side to shatter and the others to be bent.

The shattered prop threw debris into the engine adjacent and stopped it. Debris punctured the fuselage in a number of places.

On the starboard side the inboard engine was rocked off centre from its mountings.

The captain elected to go around but on base leg the damaged starboard engine quit. With only one turning the aircraft managed to make it back to the runway and, in all the chaos, this time someone remembered to lower the gear.

The crew survived unharmed though no doubt their pride was dented and the Chief Pilot no doubt had some pithy comments.

The aircraft N285F fared much worse and was slowly broken up at Shannon over the next three years or so.


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11352 times:

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 18):
"No one was hurt in the incident. The plane received only minor damage, Johnson said."

I've seen a twin after a belly landing and there was nothing "minor" about the damage. Two knackered props for starters.

This made me wonder... The article doesn't say what aircraft was involved. Could it be a jet rather than a prop? Anyone know what equipment Georgia Aviation Technical College use?

Rich


User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11003 times:

Quoting C133 (Reply 17):
EVERY airplane with retractable landing gear has a gear up warning system triggered by reduced throttle, usually coupled with landing flaps, airspeed, something to avoid nuisance warnings. It is not easy to land with the gear retracted and yet it happens

That is why I like me little Piper Arrow..The gear extends automatically with the reduced speed...Now this only happens if you can ignore the obnoxious horn going off!!

Later,
J



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25 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : That was retarded. I don't think anyone on here was criticizing anyone but more of getting a kick out of how they just forgot. Yeah, it happens, but
26 HighFlyer9790 : Ever heard of something called a checklist?
27 Harry : some pilots sometime take a shortcut, even when i fly with a single engine plane, i just do a quick check without looking the checklist and land
28 Wjcandee : As in the Continental accident, the fact is that people IGNORE the alarms. They become complacent. They assume that the alarm is at fault. In the CO a
29 Goingboeing : I remember listening to my scanner back in the early 70's when I lived in Orlando. Back then MCO shared the property with an air force base (McCoy AFB
30 VSIVARIES : In the UK (GA this is) we have pre-landing checks rammed down our throats from day 1, so you are able to do it very quickly if you in a busy circuit:
31 Usnseallt82 : The Navy does this every day with every flight. We have to call in "three down and locked, full stop," or whatever landing we're attempting. Its a go
32 C133 : Can't say for more recent times, but in the sixties an observer was positioned at the end of all Navy runways (on land) to check for gear down. I bel
33 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Haha, I'll leave that one alone. The Navy used to have LSO's, Landing Signal Officers, that used paddles to do a rough human-version of the VASI and
34 Post contains links Usnseallt82 : Here's the picture to that aircraft after the accident... http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=049461
35 Tsaord : good lord! is there some type of dark cloud hanging over the aviation industry right now with all these near misses and fatal accidents. p.s. funny th
36 Post contains links and images HAWK21M : View Large View MediumPhoto © Bryan Correira Why would a Pilot Ignore an Audio Warning.Complacency. regds MEL
37 Post contains images Legacy135 : It's quiet simple: There are only two groups of pilots in the world: "Those who already" and "those who didn't yet"...... For those of you guys in the
38 CV990 : Hi! PhilB - Thanks for yr. correction, I knew it was an L188 somewhere in UK but probably I was giving the "bad credit" to Atlantic.... my mistake!!!!
39 Type-Rated : If you can get a hold of the actual NTSB report for that CO incident, you'd be amazed at what you'd read! The pilots were answering the tower requests
40 Philb : Shannon is in the Irish Republic, not the UK!!
41 Post contains links Wjcandee : It was posted earlier in this thread: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/aar9701.pdf The F/O wanted to go around, but was afraid to push the captain b
42 Wjcandee : You might be thinking of another incident. In the CO incident at IAH, they had the gear handle down; they didn't have the hydraulic system on HIGH, s
43 Planespotting : scoffing at someone making a mistake and saying "not me" is the first step toward becoming complacent and becoming a statistic.
44 ExPratt : There are two types of pilots that fly retractable gear airplanes: Those that have.... and those that are gonna.... land with the gear up. And there a
45 Usnseallt82 : This seems to happen a lot too. Pilots complain that in the heat of a landing, the gear warning becomes more of a annoyance and distraction rather th
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