Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11629 times:
Aeroflot Russian Airlines says it is plannning to buy 527 aircraft. These should in in their possesion before 2010. This was told by the head of the Federal air transport agency Alexander Yurchik thursday (august 25) to Moskounews
The plan is to buy 308 passager aircraft, 42 cargo aircraft and 177 helikocopters. According to Yurchik this wil result in an increase of 60% in passenger capasity.
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11541 times:
Aeroflot has 90 airplanes and no helicopters today. For them to buy 308 pax planes, 42 cargo planes, and 177 helicopters during the coming five years sounds totally ridiculous. And the A350 is included among the airplanes they consider acquiring before 2010! I don't believe in this source at all.
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11463 times:
Quoting Glareskin (Reply 3): What I did read is that Moscownews says that 60 - 70% of Aeroflot's fleet is ready for replacements. That will certainly be a tough fight between Airbus and Boeing!
They really need to replace their T134 and T154, and in my opinion also the IL-96. Since they have recently acquired a lot of A32X planes, it would be reasonable to assume that they will replace the Tupolev's with those planes, although the A319 is a little bit too big as a T134 replacement, which has 68 seats. For replacement of the IL-96, it would make sense to lease a few 767s until they can get brand new 787 or A350.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5597 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11333 times:
Quoting RedChili (Reply 2): For them to buy 308 pax planes, 42 cargo planes, and 177 helicopters during the coming five years sounds totally ridiculous.
That's what I thought too. Besides, with 787's first test flight being anticipated in 2007-8(?) and production being sold out for the first two years and the A350 still on the drawing board it is virtually impossible to place orders with delivery dates before 2010 anyway.
Soyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10974 times:
The projected 527 figure is for all Russian airlines. Not just SU.
Quoting Keesje (Reply 11): Also opportunities for Russian OEM's and leasing companies stuck with 737-3/4/500, 767, MD80/B717, A300/310 and F100/Bea146 aircraft.
Which is exactly why import duties should never, and probably will not in the near future, be lifted. They should continue to be taxed at 40%. Russia has enough aircraft which are at the end of their useful lives, without becoming a dumping ground for the buckets of junk no longer wanted in the US and Europe. Not to mention that most of these aircraft are not certified in Russia, and also that most are not suited to operations in the country.
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10793 times:
Quoting RedChili (Reply 2): Aeroflot has 90 airplanes and no helicopters today. For them to buy 308 pax planes, 42 cargo planes, and 177 helicopters during the coming five years sounds totally ridiculous. And the A350 is included among the airplanes they consider acquiring before 2010! I don't believe in this source at all.
I agree. How would they get the production slots anyway? The 787 is booked solid until 2010 and the A-350 cannot produce a single plane before 2010, not to mention the 737 and A-319/320 slots are all gone until that time frame too. It would appear that the goal cannot be met based on this fact alone. And who would finance such a plan for them??
Yes, there must be quite a few. I know 1 B777 is stored, and probably the few B737-400's they had. I'm not sure about the TU-204, Aeroflot hasn't flown it for years but they may still have a few of them stored. I think that when they say 90 aircraft, it includes the ones I'm talking about in addition to what Aeroflot777 said.
Too bad the IL-96-300 is grounded. It is Aeroflot's flagship aircraft, and like some people said Russia's biggest achievement in the airliner business.
Quoting RedChili (Reply 5): They really need to replace their T134 and T154, and in my opinion also the IL-96.
The 134, yes, that one is getting very old. It dates from the 60's. But the 154 can still fly for a few more years, maybe not on mainline flights but they can at least serve as charters. And some of them can be stored and serve as back up aircraft, should an aircraft be grounded for technical reasons.
I don't agree that the IL-96 should be replaced. It's not because they are grounded that they should be replaced for good. They are grounded but they will return to service once the braking problems are solved, parts have to be redesigned to meed ICAO safety standards according to what I have understood.
In 1979, the FAA grounded all DC-10's for a few weeks following the Chicago disaster. The DC-10 was still young at that time, once the cause of the disaster was investigated it returned to service. Those contunued to fly until the mid 90's when they were due for replacements.
Quoting EI321 (Reply 8): Quoting RedChili (Reply 5):
although the A319 is a little bit too big as a T134 replacement, which has 68 seats
Some A318s maybe?!
That's excactly what I have been thinking. I wrote this in a post a while ago, people responded to me that even the A318 was too large for a TU-134 replacement.
Air France replaced its Caravelles with B727 and B737 aircraft. Now at Air France the A318/19/20/21 do what the Caravelles used to do 30 years ago: fly pax on mainline flights in Europe. I mention this because, for me, the TU-134 is the Russian Caravelle.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10377 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 20): Are some aircraft inactive or stored? (not inc Il-96)
SU has a number of Il-86s at SVO that don't seem to have been in active service for some time. I suspect that if these can be put back in service at a reasonable cost, they might be, but this won't really help SU's requirements for long-haul planes to fly to Europe and US.
Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!