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User currently offlineAA7573E From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

How irrelevant have the striking mechanics made themselves? Operations at NWA are essentially smooth, given the quicker move up to the fall schedule and the fact that everyone of the temp mechanics completed a NWA training program weeks in advance of the strike. NWA did a great job of preparing for the strike, and not caving prior to the strike will likely prove to be one of the best bets they have made in quite some time.

Furthermore, the inept strike is allegedly giving NWA the leverage they want to deepen the cuts against the union, and demand more give backs from the workers. How great is that. Go on strike, and end up giving more away. What fools. IT is good to see that the union leadership really thought this one out! Jackasses.

I hope everyone of the striking mechanics gets a healthy dose of cold reality, when NWA offers full time positions to the temporary workers. Just another example of how greedy unions have their heads firmly planted up their asses.

Enjoy the picket line ladies, and be sure to make friends so that you can all carpool to the unemployment lines.

[Edited 2005-08-26 16:17:24]

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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Here Here!! Well said. Now, I do agree that after the strike, they should send the replacements group by group to a more extensive training class if offered a permanent position. And NWA should go ahead and do the smart thing... File for Ch. 11

[Edited 2005-08-26 16:17:18]

User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

As an NWA F/A in the middle of this contract mess, I am considering looking for another job as what has happened with the Mechanics has destroyed all the other work groups bargaining power... If NWA gets what they are offering, it would not be worth it to ME to be an F/A here, as much as I like my job... Commuting, being away from home 15-20 days a month, and the 14 hour work days is not worth $20,000.00 a year and horrible work rules when you have a home, kid's, and all the "normal" things to take care of..... And that's just me and my opinion so if that would work for you after 10 years at a Company, be my guest!!

mtnman  crazy 


User currently offlineKarlB737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

Replacement Mechanics Could Soon Be Permanent

Video Report Included:

http://wcco.com/local/local_story_238112745.html


User currently offlineLumberton From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 2):
$20,000.00 a year

For real??? Is this the prevailing salary for flight attendants?


User currently offlineDl757md From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
or real??? Is this the prevailing salary for flight attendants?

No, but gauging by the cuts that NW wants from AMFA, it's not an unrealistic estimate of what a NW FA would expect to make after NW gets through with them.

DL757Md


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
For real??? Is this the prevailing salary for flight attendants?

With the proposed cuts in wages and benefits, a NW F/A's at a seniority of 10 years, average pay would be around $24,000.00, down from about $40,000.00... How many people in the general public would stay at their current job if that was to happen to them??

Not really worth it to ME anymore if it passed...

I guess $50,000.00 a year to the Mechanics doesn't sound so bad after all...

mtnman  tired 


User currently offline777PURSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 2):
I am considering looking for another job as what has happened with the Mechanics has destroyed all the other work groups bargaining power.

Hi there Mntman...I share your concern. People either do not grasp what the effect of NW management busting a union could have on labor not only at NW but throught the industry OR they just dont care because they are not INSIDE and have no idea what they are talking about. I do not know if FA's at NW have already accepted any paycuts and work rule changes. If you did not, believe me...IT IS COMMING. We agreed to concessions ( though it was after a fishy re-vote) about three years ago...5000 people lost their jobs...

Our duty days now can be up to 16 hrs long with multiple legs, rest periods can be 8 hrs....that means less than 6 behind the door...5 hours sleep or less sometimes. Somehow we have managed to adapt, fly over 120 hours a month to make ends meet...and hope for better times.

I do realize NW needs to cut costs, I just do not agree with the way they are doing things, making unreasonable demands (53% job loss, 26% paycut for instance) getting SCABS ready for FA replacement...Bad management, threatening and demoralizing!! Like its all on labor...its not! Its on management's lack of creativity, lack of ideas and abundance of executive bonuses!!

I am curious to know what hey want from the FA's now, but I sure hope that is not something unreasonable, now that management feels they can do anything they want to their employees. Best luck to you and everyone at NW.

In Unity.


User currently offlineNWBOS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 6):
With the proposed cuts in wages and benefits, a NW F/A's at a seniority of 10 years, average pay would be around $24,000.00, down from about $40,000.00... How many people in the general public would stay at their current job if that was to happen to them??

Boy, don't hold your breath waiting for the eyes to well up with tears on this board. Before you'll know it, you'll have a hundred people saying if you don't like your job, leave. It's really a travesty to see what is happening to this industry, and the mechanics situation underscores it all. I feel bad for everyone on the picket line and all of my colleagues at NWA that I talk with know that our turn is coming.


User currently offlineLumberton From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 6):
With the proposed cuts in wages and benefits, a NW F/A's at a seniority of 10 years, average pay would be around $24,000.00, down from about $40,000.00... How many people in the general public would stay at their current job if that was to happen to them??

Mtnman, no argument from me on this.  tapedshut 


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

Quoting 777PURSER (Reply 7):
I am curious to know what hey want from the FA's now, but I sure hope that is not something unreasonable, now that management feels they can do anything they want to their employees. Best luck to you and everyone at NW.

Thanks for the concern and I see that you have lived it too...

NWA has proposed a 39% pay and benefit cut to the F/A's with lay-offs and outsourcing... The F/A group is not stupid and we all realize that we are going to have to give up some things like ALL the other work groups, but I personally will not do this job for what they are proposing- it's just not worth it to me and my family....

The Mechanics have really screwed it up (IMHO) for ALL the other work groups- the company doesn't care, and they proved they can bust a union and move on.... It's a sad time at most of the Airlines and unless you have been in the Industry for 15 or more years and seen the ups and downs, I just think that you (the general public) wouldn't understand. It used to be a fun, exciting industry to be in, and now it is turning into "just a job"..
Sad, indeed..

mtnman  Sad


User currently offlineAA7573E From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Why in the world do you feel sorry for the people on the picket line, aka unemployment line?

They put themselves there. If their leadership (and I use the term figuratively) had a working brain in their heads, they would have been aware of the work that NWA had done in anticipation of the strike, and understood that the impact they were looking for was going to be substantially mitigated, rendering the strike totally impotent. But they went ahead with the strike anyway. Don't feel sorry for them for being on the picket line, feel sorry for them for being so obtuse and blind to reality.


User currently offline777PURSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

39% paycut IS UNACCEPTABLE! If it amounts way under industry average, that is. If you are going to end up making less than -for example- a Jetblue FA, while prforming more elaborate service (long range flying internationaly, food service, etc) The answer from the membership should be NO. Let them file for bankruptcy and try to get what they can in court. Again..best luck!

User currently offlineWingnutMN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

I keep seeing this 53% loss of current union members number thrown out there for the Mechanics...Isn't the number 47% loss and 53% retention of current members. I don't have a link or anything to back up my numbers, but if someone has an actual link with numbers on it that would be great.

WingnutMN


User currently offlineAA7573E From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5981 times:

Quoting 777PURSER (Reply 12):
Let them file for bankruptcy and try to get what they can in court

You do of course realize that in a BK proceeding, all contracts are voidable, and can be replaced with contracts that are much more pro management, and only have to be approved by the custodians and court.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 2):
Commuting

This is a choice you make by not living in the city you are based out of. Simple solution to that problem move to your base city.


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 15):
This is a choice you make by not living in the city you are based out of. Simple solution to that problem move to your base city.

Easy there cowboy!! I was making a point that included MANY factors including commuting!!!

Moving to my base city is not an option for me at this point...

mtnman  crazy 


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 6):
With the proposed cuts in wages and benefits, a NW F/A's at a seniority of 10 years, average pay would be around $24,000.00, down from about $40,000.00... How many people in the general public would stay at their current job if that was to happen to them??

Not really worth it to ME anymore if it passed...

I guess $50,000.00 a year to the Mechanics doesn't sound so bad after all...

Wow...that's a HUGE cut...and you're right...it isn't worth it at all. THe mechanics would go from $70,000 to approx. $52,000. Again, a HUGE cut. Good luck to you, and I hope you can find something that you will enjoy and has more stability.

Quoting NWBOS (Reply 8):
Boy, don't hold your breath waiting for the eyes to well up with tears on this board. Before you'll know it, you'll have a hundred people saying if you don't like your job, leave. It's really a travesty to see what is happening to this industry, and the mechanics situation underscores it all. I feel bad for everyone on the picket line and all of my colleagues at NWA that I talk with know that our turn is coming.

...and those hundred people are all aged 13-16 with decades of airline industry management experience!  Yeah sure I'm actually considering leaving this board, as I'm so tired of reading about people who don't understand and don't appreciate and DON'T CARE what's really going on with the employees at each of the airlines. Sure...the airlines stay flying, but at what ultimate cost? These airlines have to think of the "brain drain" once the only people left are making bare-knuckle wages. Then what?

I think these mechanics have known for a long time now what will happen with this strike, and know they'll never be going back. It's no surprise to them. They're doing what they think is right in their minds, drawing a line in the dust as one last protest against cuts and job cuts. It's going to happen, they know that, but they walk away with their own dignity still intact. My respect and well-wishes go to them, not the scumbags like Steenland & Co.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Quoting Mtnmanmakalu (Reply 16):
I was making a point that included MANY factors including commuting!!!

Again if you choice to live in a city other than the one you are based out of, that is one factor you do have control over.

It always surprises me how FA's and pilots are always commenting about how there job requires so much extra time and effort such as commuting when they choice to do this.


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 18):
It always surprises me how FA's and pilots are always commenting about how there job requires so much extra time and effort such as commuting when they choice to do this.

For the record, I NEVER complain about commuting to anybody- to me it is and has always been a part of the job, but it is a factor in STAYING with a company when you are not making the $ that you need. I'm sooo happy that you live where you work and are happy to live there, but one of the perks of working for an Airline is you can live ANYWHERE you choose, which is what I do.. And I don't like complaining commuters either, for the record!!

I really don't understand your negativity when I was just making a point and NOT complaining..... Lighten up, crack open a cold one, and have a great day~!!

mtnman  Smile


User currently offlineKUGN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 17):
I think these mechanics have known for a long time now what will happen with this strike, and know they'll never be going back. It's no surprise to them. They're doing what they think is right in their minds, drawing a line in the dust as one last protest against cuts and job cuts. It's going to happen, they know that, but they walk away with their own dignity still intact. My respect and well-wishes go to them, not the scumbags like Steenland & Co

Don't forget, their union proclaimed they'd rather see NWA bankrupt than accept the proposed changes. That was the line in the sand they drew.

Noone can really blame NWA management for being prepared. Good readance to AMFA...


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting KUGN (Reply 20):
Don't forget, their union proclaimed they'd rather see NWA bankrupt than accept the proposed changes. That was the line in the sand they drew.

Noone can really blame NWA management for being prepared.

To AMFA, it won't make a difference. Their wages are going to be slashed and their member numbers cut regardless of it's in Ch. 11 or not. The mechanics understand that. Even if they accepted NW's offer, what's to say that they won't be asked for more when NW files? NW is already saying they'll need $1B.

Given what NW wants, and the way they have arrogantly prepared for this strike instead of negotiating in good faith (not contracts they knew would be turned down anyway) in the last 18 months, tells me perhaps the mechanics might fare better with a third party (bk judge) than letting NW run them into the ground.

At least UA negotiated with AMFA and got a tentative agreement through 2009 or 2010. AA worked their worker groups, and look where they are! Why couldn't NW take that same approach? Guess UA had the luxury of going first.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting AA7573E (Thread starter):
NWA did a great job of preparing for the strike, and not caving prior to the strike will likely prove to be one of the best bets they have made in quite some time.

Furthermore, the inept strike is allegedly giving NWA the leverage they want to deepen the cuts against the union, and demand more give backs from the workers. How great is that. Go on strike, and end up giving more away. What fools. IT is good to see that the union leadership really thought this one out! Jackasses.

I hope everyone of the striking mechanics gets a healthy dose of cold reality, when NWA offers full time positions to the temporary workers. Just another example of how greedy unions have their heads firmly planted up their asses.

Are you even remotely familiar with what's going on at NWA? Or are you just repeating something you heard on the news or read on the net. Just in case you did not know but the mechanics at NWA were not asking for raises. So much for them being "greedy". In the past four years half of the mechanics at NWA have been laid off. Of those that remain NWA management wanted to layoff half and the those that remained take a 26% paycut. Now if it had just been paycuts a deal probably would already have been reached. However I don't think that's what the higher ups at NWA wanted.

So I guess the AMT's at NWA have already have had a healthy dose of reality watching half their numbers walked out the door. They must be real "greedy" not wanting to be laid off.


User currently offlineGreasespot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

It is funny how the ones yelling the hardest have never worked for an airline yet they would give their left nut to be able to just touch airplanes on a daily basis...

Until you have worked in the system you have no idea....just like i will not proclaim what a financial analyst should or should not do never having been one....All you can do is spout off on what you have read or heard. But since you are not inside your opinion is really irrelevant..


GS


User currently offlineAA7573E From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 22):
Are you even remotely familiar with what's going on at NWA?

Very.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 22):
Or are you just repeating something you heard on the news or read on the net.

No, I don't think any major news outlets take such a one sided view as I have.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 22):
Just in case you did not know but the mechanics at NWA were not asking for raises.

Good for you. Read between the lines. Their expectations of what they have to give up, to make the airline profitable and relevant going forward, were mutated by their greed, to get as much as they could regardless of the impact it had on the company.

Does it surprise you that every airline in the world has been outsourcing work and shedding the related costs of that work on their balance sheet. Why is it good when a manufacturing company develops a new process to steamline production and save money, but when an airline finds a way to streamline and save money by outsourcing it is bad? That makes not fucking sense. NWA is not is the business of padding every mechanics life, and giving them something to do. It is a business, and to stay above water, you have to make choices that are in the best interest of the company as a whole, and not in the best interest of every person in the company. It is a reality of any business, at any time, anywhere in the world. Times are tough, and saving money by laying off mechanics and outsourcing their work is something that every airline is doing. But instead of working with management to find a solution that would make layoffs easire (phased in, severance packages, work reassignments) the union strikes. That makes no sense, and demonstrates an an absolute lack of a basic understanding of how businesses are run.

So the appropriate question is, do you even have a clue of what is really going on in this situation, and in the industry as a whole. You should stick to fixing planes and stay out of the business side until you get it.


25 AA7573E : Truely one of the most laughable statements I have read out here. A lot more goes into running an airline than powerplant maintenance. You should kno
26 MD11Engineer : I think that, even if AMFA would have agreed to the management's proposals, the management would have then kept moving the goal posts, until they reac
27 LMP737 : Why is it that you feel the need to express yourself with profanity? One would figure you could find some other way.
28 AA7573E : It's a pretty heated topic pal. Figure it out.
29 ASFlyer : Thank you for saying this. This will be my last post on these boards. I still will look from time to time as there are a very few posts from time to
30 ASFlyer : Thank god for free upgrades, huh? Just remember, First Class is only a seat and no indication of the person sitting there. OOOOPS... THIS is my last
31 FlyBoeing : My personal belief is that bankruptcy is inevitable and that the wage concessions demanded by management were simply "rearranging the deck chairs on t
32 Greasespot : But alas I never said I know more...That is coming from your mouth...I never once comented that one side was right or wrong... What I said is people w
33 Post contains images Mtnmanmakalu : One of the absolute best quotes I have ever seen on A.net- Priceless!!! It needs to be on a placard readable from EVERY 1st class seat on the Aircraf
34 LMP737 : I don't think you are. Otherwise you would not have said some of the things you did. Their "greed". If you mean not wanting to lose your job after fi
35 LMP737 : Then why do the rest of us behaving ourselves? I honestly don't know why you should get so worked up to the point you start using profanity. Afterall
36 Highliner2 : Let's see here, put yourself in their shoes for a sec, Your company wants to take a quarter of your pay. Take YOUR last paycheck and take 26% off of i
37 AA7573E : What do executive bonuses have to do with anything. I have not read the 10K recently, do you know what that is, but I would be willing to be there ar
38 AA7573E : My friend you have no idea what affects me. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Seriously. Add something here. You used to have an opi
39 KUGN : Wage cuts and layoffs have happened in other industries, when the market conditions change. Ask union/non-union employees who experienced it, and live
40 AA7573E : Very well said. But people in the airline business have a sense of entitlement that does not seem to be as prevelant in other industries.
41 Dl757md : While they do outsource MX, WN hasn't laid off any of their highest paid in the U.S. pax airline industry AMFA mechs that I'm aware of. So if WN can
42 Bobnwa : Highliner2, Do you really believe that all management at Northwest have not taken significant paycuts. These paycuts were announced last year are are
43 AA7573E : Hey pal. Nobody is saying to cut corners, except for you. We are only suggesting that by cutting the MX work out of their structure, NWA streamlines
44 777PURSER : AMEN. These opinionated wannabes are just so irritating to the real airline people in this forum. In respect to what someone was saying about bankrup
45 Post contains links Dl757md : MY my, you ARE full of yourself aren't you. You forget that most if not all airline employees are shareholders in their companies. Most of whom know
46 Post contains images Mtnmanmakalu : Spot on Brother!! I think I will do the same as you since this site is not fun anymore- Just like the Airline industry as a whole.... mtnman
47 Dl757md : And you know this how? There you go spouting off lies. It's been established in another thread that he was a ramp worker aka bagsmasher not a mechani
48 Greasespot : I am still waiting to hear why since you do not work for an airline, are part of an airline, do not work in the aviation business why this is such big
49 AA7573E : I never fly NWA, and don't plan on it. But I fully support their efforts to shoot down the mechanics, and put them in their place. You have a warped
50 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: WCCO-TV NWA Flight Attendant Refuses To Cross Picket Line Video Report Included http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_238094822.html
51 Post contains images Dl757md : I'm not crying or whining, what I'm trying to make you understand is that contract MX in most cases is inferior. I have first hand knowledge of that,
52 Post contains images Lightsaber : No argument either nor would I think from Adam Smith. There is a minimum salary required to keep/attract talent. However, I would like to see if NW r
53 Gift4tbone : Ok, so i agree with the MX workers. Who does NW think they are? I bet they still donate money to organizations like Special Olympics, or something of
54 Jamake1 : I can understand the AMFA Negotiating Committee's position. It would prove to be very difficult to send a tentative agreement out to its membership th
55 AA7573E : You are an idiot. What does GW have to do with the NWA strike. The reality is that business is not in the business of provided social services and ha
56 Gift4tbone : 1.So im just putting up my opinions on this board, and as you have with everyone else whose posted on this thread. You get an attitude and say inappr
57 Greasespot : For someone who is suposedly a business man you are wasting a lot of time in here...Wated time = lost money....so i hope your paying your employer for
58 SendMEtoLAS : Ok, NW is in trouble, big trouble. But the way they are trying to fix the problem is wrong. The company is focusing on breaking what makes NW a great
59 LMP737 : Actually quite a bit. Since 2002 Mr. Steenland's compensation has gone up. At the beginning of the month he was awarded stock woth $418,000 dollars.
60 LMP737 : You're right I don't, and I can't say that I care. It seems to me that you're the one getting all worked up. Do you have anger management issues? Or
61 Nucsh : Alright, I've gone on long enough reading these threads and not responding. First off, yes, unions are evil. They serve no purpose anymore but to prov
62 LMP737 : Now I guess it depends on what type of aircraft you are woking on. Those mechanics who work for did they quit or take an LOA?
63 MD11Engineer : Just checked your profile. I wonder how your attitude will change once you actually start working instead of living from your dad's credit card. (PS.
64 UAL Bagsmasher : The FA's and pilots shot themselves in the foot by not striking alongside AMFA. Now they get to face the music as well.
65 ASFlyer : Wisdom from a teenager - just what I love about these boards. Please enlighten us with some more of your wisdom oh wise one. What in gods name do you
66 LMP737 : Nusch: What are your career goals, out of curiosity?
67 Post contains images Lightsaber : I hope that was a typo! Most young women don't like to be touched except by their "one man." Paid good, pawed not good. LOA. Many have 8+ weeks of va
68 ASFlyer : This I agree with. I know I said I would stop posting but I keep getting sucked in... sorry.
69 Jamake1 : Clocked him! I am amazed at some of the remarks on here about unions. What many fail to realize is that unions have raised the bar for those not repre
70 LMP737 : You said LOA but then mentioned some guys having eight weeks of vacation. Are some using LOA and others vacation? The point I was trying to make some
71 Post contains images Derik737 : Oh sure, it can't be that difficult at all. Gosh, I shouldn't have wasted 16 years gaining the knowledge and experience by reading/knowing the Aircra
72 Nucsh : Let me clear some things up about myself (not that it will evoke a response from some of the teenage-critical naysayers out there, but here-goes)... N
73 LMP737 : Just to let everyone know I did not say what I's quoted as saying, it was somone else.
74 LMP737 : Well Nusch I hope you attain your goal, I'm being serious about that. But remember one thing. Do you think commercial airline pilots make what they d
75 Greasespot : Yes lots would jump at our jobs....But in 10 years or so when they have crawled and worked their way along do you think that they would still be happy
76 ASFlyer : Nucsh - My point is valid. You aren't even one year out of high school yet. You have NO job experience, except for maybe a summer high school job. I p
77 Usdcaguy : I don't think safety will suffer because of the loss of AMFA, but a lot of worker dignity will. I cannot tell you how many people sit and complain to
78 Post contains images Lightsaber : They have taken extended vacations, which we book as a "Leave of Absense/Paid VA" All are on "vacation" technically. True. If you did Tomcat's... I'm
79 Christao17 : Many of us share the feeling that companies used to be more concerned about their employees, a "kinder and gentler" time. But I think that all of us
80 AA7573E : What the hell does that have to do with anything? My point is that 26% less than 100% of your salary is certainly more than zero, which what all the
81 ACJAZZAME : AA7573E It seems pretty obvious to me that you have never worked on an airplane or even at an airline. If you think that management makes an airline w
82 Ballpeeen : To put this in perspective: Mechanics are charged with maintaining and repairing aircraft. If they fail at their job, possible consequences include: d
83 ACJAZZAME : Well said! ACJAZZAME
84 Post contains images Wingspan : To most of the posts on this thread from the great AA7573E, After reading some of your profanity-laced pompous rants, it would appear that most any ai
85 Post contains links and images Dl757md : OK let me spell it out for you. NW wants to lay off 53% of the mechs and impose 26% paycuts on the remainder. Only 47% of the striking mechanics will
86 MD11Engineer : In Germany non-union employees usually get the same pay and benefits as union employees, even though the tentative agreement is only between the unio
87 Derik737 : LMP737, I have no idea on earth how that happened. My apologies! This is the user I was responding to:
88 Post contains images LMP737 : Derik737: No Problem.
89 CTHEWORLD : the right one, it is slightly smaller, asking for the left one is just greedy!
90 Skyone : I just don t understand. If NW FA are going to make less money after the pay cuts, then why don t they quit and go apply for a job with Jet Blue or a
91 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Turkish Press Northwest Has No Plans To Talk With Striking Workers http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=67430
92 MD11Engineer : I don't know how it is handled in the US, but here there are often secret (illegal) agreements between the human resources departments at one airport
93 Halls120 : So why not just leave this forum and start your own "airline employees only" website and message board. That way you can all whine to your heart's co
94 Jetdeltamsy : Not fools. Just misguided.
95 Greasespot : Why would I pay a premium...I work in the industry and get a pass...And I get to sit in jumpseats that are so coveted out there..... BTW losing 50% is
96 Av8rPHX : This is a choice you make by not living in the city you are based out of. Simple solution to that problem move to your base city. Most of you who dont
97 Joeairbus : I don't know how many of you got a little blue card in the mail that was offering $32.00 an hr. + $2,000 bonus to work for a "Regional Airline" in Mic
98 Venus6971 : Mine was actually orange but turned me down all my experiance is military and federal contractor, would not want to cross any way. my brother is a un
99 UALdispatch : WOW you are old school! I havent the term Bootlickers in a longtime. I do agree with you on your points. It is amazing on how upper managment types c
100 Legacytravel : I agree with you on the F/A's however the pilots are a different breed of cat when it comes the their union. They have the highest skill set required
101 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: KSTP-TV Northwest Mechanics Rally Video Report: http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=162786
102 M404 : Has AMFA ever made an offer of pay concessions that would prevent the loss of jobs they desire? What percentage of their pre-strike pay would that be?
103 Post contains links Dl757md : I'm not sure where you got your information that AMFAs' stance is no concessions. Their final offer to the company was valued by AMFA at $176M and NW
104 Acidradio : You are always free to live somewhere like North Korea or Cuba if you dislike it so much. Let me challenge you this - look at all the labels of the c
105 Post contains images MX757 : That's "Mr. Grease Monkey" to you. Want to go golfing? Well said!
106 M404 : Dl757md I agree fully. The no concession ever was the cry of AMFA while recruiting and I beleive was what got managements battle plan focused on them.
107 Shenzhen : Looks like simple ARINC 429 to me. I simply don't see how getting rid of your entire workforce is streamlining a process... In fact it has nothing to
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