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How Is It In Canadian Charter Airlines?  
User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

I'd love to know how good (or bad) these following Canadian charter airlines are in terms of service and comfort: Canada 3000, Royal Airlines, Air Transat, and Skyservice.

I'd greatly appreciate your answers!

Samurai 777

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User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

C3 and Royal both have good service.. I have herd thgat Air Transat has confortable seats and really good service. I don't know about Skyservice. All I know is they have 9 flight attendents per plane.
YWG777


User currently offlinePronto From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

I can only speak for C3, but as I only travel economy, I am way more impressed with everything about them over the 'scheduled' airlines. From the pleasant service at check-in(they recommended the seats, which turned out to be great! - near the exit,only 2 seats as apposed to 3, and plenty of legroom in front), to the friendly conduct of the flightcrew, the on-time departure, no overbooking...If they do become Canada's "other" airline, I hope they don't change..

User currently offlinePronto From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

I can only speak for C3, but as I only travel economy, I am way more impressed with everything about them over the 'scheduled' airlines. From the pleasant service at check-in(they recommended the seats, which turned out to be great! - near the exit, only 2 seats as opposed to 3, and plenty of legroom in front), to the friendly conduct of the flightcrew, the on-time departure, no overbooking...If they do become Canada's "other" airline, I hope they don't change..

User currently offlineJetgate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

I flew with C3K LGW-YVR last July and must admit that I was very pleasantly surpised with the quality of the whole set up in relation to the seat price. Best value for money I've seen around for a long time. Since then I have also flown with US Airways and AC to London and back and can surprisingly say C3K is still on the top of my list. My girlfriend has been over here twice since July 99, and travelled with CP and KLM and from the detailed grillings I gave her about those carriers I would rate CP at the bottom of the pile with KLM fighting hard to take the Le' crapo award  Before anybody starts arguing these personal views, I would like to add that the comparisons are all being made on economy class seats on the said carriers.

Getting back on track on C3K, I found the food tasty but meager so would advice any body with a semi decent appetite to take a few of your own extra's (No that dosen't mean a couple of Big Mac's   ), the seats, leg room and entertainment were all good but the Excellence factor was the crew. The FA's all seem to enjoy what they did for a living and that in turn rubbed off on me and I'm sure also on my fellow passengers I also got a visit to the flight deck and the two guys up there seem to really enjoy what they did (who the bloody hell wouldn't!) and also had some valuable advice for me. Bonus!! I have recently heard however that C3K has a strict policy that doesn't allow any pax in the jumpseats on takeoff or landing (even if they were related to the Flight Crew) but only in the cruise. I wonder why? Certainly not a good enough reason to miss out on a good deal by not flying with them! Also contrary to Ywg 777's statement about Air Transat I have also heard that they pack in an extra seat on the rows of their aeroplanes, must be very cosy! Please note that this is something I heard and not witness.


User currently offlineJets From South Africa, joined Dec 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Air Transat is the WORST!!! The seats are VERY TIGHT and uncomfortable. It would be hard for a 10 year old to get into them, imagin how those seats are for an overweight 40 year old. I don't even wanno think about it. The service is horrible. I was once flying YMX-FLL. After about 30 minutes into the flight, I asked the flight attendent for a Coke, she said she will give it to me in a minute. We arrived at FLL and I STILL DIDN'T GET IT.

Also, all those damn flight attendents and Pilots speak damn french, so when they speak english, they got this wierd accent.

Air Transat is horrible (so are the planes, did you ever see the rust on them???) and I would never fly them again.


User currently offlineTeahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5287 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Air Transat have 3-3-3 seating on Airbus A330's!    

Jeremiah Teahan





Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

C3 would be at the top of my list of charters, and that is only because they are the biggest and offer them most routes. But if you want an airline that still doesn't charge for headsets, and has GREAT service, with pleasant crews and relativly on time departures you can go for ROYAL...I must say that for service they are still the number on airline in Canada......And Yes seating may be tight, but no more then C3 or AT, after all it is a charter airline......Having flown on all three I would say that I will only fly ROYAL when booking my next holiday to the Carib or Mexico.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Hi everybody,

I'm a french speaking canadian. I love Canada too! But with comments like this from JETS:

''Also, all those damn flight attendents and Pilots speak damn french, so when they speak english, they got this wierd accent.''

That shows they can understand both culture. Why, when I take a flight, I don't complain because everybody (F/A, pilots) speak English (Worst is CP). Because we are minority in this country and we understand all services can be in french!
Please, Jets, understand some poeple around Canada speak French and we love to get some services in ours language.


''they got this wierd accent''
Also, what's about your french accents? Do you speak french? of course not. You can understand who is difficult to speak anothers language. Poor guys.

Of course At, is not a great airlines but...

aad665

aad665



User currently offlineCarioca Canuck From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Air Transat is TERRIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The inflight service is awful..........they cram you in the aircraft like sardines in a can, and as the previous poster gave an excellent description I won't elaborate...........and they are still flying "bucket of bolt's" L-1011's on some routes.

I went to the Bahamas on a trip with my company thru Air Transat and the only good thing was that it was a free ticket.

Since I have no experience on the other three that you mentioned I can't comment about them from a personal viewpoint althought I have friends who have flown C3000 and they where "very" happy with everything there.


User currently offlineJets From South Africa, joined Dec 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

1. Maybe if you French separatists peesoups PQ people can accually try to learn the language well enough so that other English people can understand you, then we might not be complaining as much.

2. If you are the minority, than why should all signs and posters in Canada be in bothe english and french?
There is a lot of Italiens and Germans here and they don't get to speak their language, why should you.

3. I live in Montreal so I know french very, very, very well so don't say I don't know how to speak french.

You are people who are ruining Montreal and Canada.

Your airline ruins other people's flights.

Check out the rust on these Air Transats


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Now you know how these frenchies are taking care of their airline.



User currently offlineTeahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5287 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

I am sorry. I amde a mistake. It is AirTransats A 330 200's that have 3-3-3. Air Transats A330 300's have 2-4-2! I suppose that is a bit better!

Jeremiah Teahan





Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineYBG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Hey jets, if you don't like hearing french in aircrafts, just take the bus to somewhere else in North America and fly from there. And while you'll be at it, just pack everything else you own and piss off.

To others who are not brainless like jets, here's my experience with Air Transat last year on a YMX-CDG voyage. Service provided both on board and at the desks was very professional and efficient. The eastbound trip was done on a B757 who looked quite recent and the westbound trip was done on a L1011 who looked quite decent with the interior just refurbished (the smell was like the inside of a new car and the seats tissue was new). For the aircraft maintenance, TS had these aircraft since a while so that their crews, both flying and maintenance, know them inside out. So I trust them at least as much as any. I consider their ratio quality/price better than scheduled carriers.


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

You are a retard, I'm sorry but that is the only way I can express what I was feeling when I read your stupid post, I suspect that you are closer to 5 then 15 and lack the brain power to understand how unique and important it is to have Canada the way it is......... You are implying that all french speaking Canadians are seperatists....are you insane>>???? I do not speak french myself, but i regret not ever learning it correctly....And how can you complain about Air Transat having french speaking crews if it is based in Montreal and hires most people from that base.....Look at Air Canada it is the same thing with them...a majority of people speak french especially the inflight crews.......Living in Quebec you should know that francophones are not the minority and that is why everything should be in BOTH languages....soemthing that is not so noticable in the rest of Canada where they are the minority.....Maybe if you took you head out of your ass and experienced this nation you would not have such a narrow minded view.....

Further more....That is not rust on the airplanes you dumb ass...It's dirt....and unfortunatly AT does not wash their airplanes as much as they should...but how can you expect more from a Charter company who is more interested in selling seats then it is in cleaning it's planes....they are not one of my fav. airlines but cummon your comments were pure stupidity and were definatly not the words of most canadians, I'm sure.........



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineJets From South Africa, joined Dec 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Well sorrrrrrrrrry. I didn't want everyone to be involved, but exuse me, but the french SEPERATISTS (NOT NON-SEPERATISTS) ARE RUINING THIS COUNTRY. I am sorry if I hurt anyone. Please just forget about it.

Slawko, you shouldn't insult me, I though that was rust. Sorrrrrrrrry for making a mistake.

I am closer to 15 then 5 although I must admit, I do not act like a 15 year old some times.


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Jets, how can you make these comments about francophones when you're already a Quebecer? Don't go around making fun of the way french Canadians speak. I can understand Quebecers just as well as any other Canadians when they speak English, even though I don't speak French. Francophones may be the minority in Canada as a whole, but they are certainly not so in the Province of Quebec! They make up at least two-thirds of Quebec's population. I don't have any problems with bilingualism here in Canada and I do not want to see a language war here. This is exactly the kind of stuff that should be kept off airliners.net.

Also, Air Transat's planes are not exactly rustbuckets. I've seen AT planes at YEG and YVR and they often seem to be in just as good shape or even better than AC and CP a/c, even though it may not be everybody's favorite charter airline.


User currently offlineJetgate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Jets - You are a disgrace to your nation!

User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

I live in Canada and it's a beautiful country and it would be horrible for any part of it were to seperate. I come from Yugoslavia and I don't take Canada for granted. I am sure you all know what happened to the former Yugoslavia and it is not pretty. Nationalsim and ethnic hatred are a horrible thing and JETS managed to turn a discution about an airline in to a natinoalist debate. Please stop.

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Hmmm..I see quite a bit of stuff about Canada 3000 and Air Transat and how these charter airlines are, as well as that flames about Jets' comments on francophones in Canada, but I haven't seen anything about Skyservice or that much on Royal, either. That's a little odd. I guess maybe nobody here has flown on Skyservice, but I could be wrong or a little impatient. I sure wouldn't mind seeing more posts about Royal and Skyservice, in addition to C3 and AT.

User currently offlineJets From South Africa, joined Dec 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

I am not a discrace to my nation.

Your right Samurai 777, Skyservice isn't mentioned because the only Canadian city they fly out of is YYZ I think. There is a lot more to Canada then Toronto.


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Oh dear, I suppose I really shouldn't tread into this, but:

To brush into politics, I am very surprised to hear a Montrealer say anything like that, Jets. I have no admiration for the PQ, but if there's attitudes like that about the French language then I can see how some Francophones may simply see it as a reaction to those attitudes. I had a teacher in Alberta who was from Quebec, and he said that in general Quebecers had many misconceptions about us westerners, and I for one believe that better communication and better understandings will unify the country.

As far as your assertions that "There is a lot of Italiens and Germans here and they don't get to speak their language" I disagree. No, they don't get the official recognition that French does, but I have seen posters in Italian, and I hear German spoken frequently. I see all sorts of languages used, moreso here in Winnipeg than back in Calgary, and I like the diversity and tolerance. I like the fact that you can listen to people conversing in a Cafe in French in St. Boniface, and head over to another part of town and attend an event in German. On a daily basis I hear exchange students and immigrants around the university speaking in various Asian languages. On my way home I go past "Little Italy" on Corydon Avenue. All in one city, and it's a great city.

I have to disagree about French ruining Montreal. There are a few people in Quebec who have the same attitudes to English as you do to French, and it is that which ruins everything. We don't need an us-and-them mentality, we have to be unified. No, I don't believe special priveleges make that happen, but taking things away from one group also don't help.

Now about a more technical topic. That is definitely not rust on the aircraft. Rust is formed by oxidation of iron-based metals. Aircraft are largely made of aluminum, so it definitely isn't rust. In fact, aluminum oxide is a pale white colour, so it can't be corrosion at all, it's only dirt.


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

By the way, with this argument flaring up, has anyone seen the movie "Canadian Bacon" with Allan Alda and John Candy? For some reason I have this image of in my mind right now of the scene where the policeman played by Dan Ackroyd pulls over this truck with graffiti all over it and makes them paint equivalent French language graffiti on it, too. Rather funny, I thought.

User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Hi everbody,

I flew one time with Royal (CDG-YQB) and the service was excellent. Now, They don't any flights from YQB. Is it thrue Michel Leblanc, (Owner of Royal) would like to sell is airline to cash in is money?

I have some questions and I'm sure, you know the answers? Who is Skyservice, is it a new charter, where they go...

And finally, I hope Jets understands is own reallity( Quebec reallity). Sometime, Jets, you need some experiences to talk about politics. Sorry  

aad665


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2939 times:


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ROYAL is by far my favorite charter airline apart from Wardair......There service is top notch, and everyone is very very friendly, the flight crews are great, always happy to let you sit up front, and the cabin crews are nice, as well as nice looking........there that was my royal plug for the day.....



As for skyservice, someone asked about who and where they are....you can check them out at

www.skyservice.com

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They have one A330-300 and one or two A320's as well as a bunch that they lease from Monarch in the winter when it is slow in England......They are also an FBO, providing, hangar, maintinence, and corperate jet charters
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not to mention the official transporter of the Toronto maple Leafs, and the Raptors....

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Talk to ya later....
Slawko

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http://virtualroyalairlines.8m.com



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Aluminum oxide is a form of corrosion. Not all corrosion is iron oxide. But any oxide is corrosion. Aluminum corrodes too but it takes a lot longer and it doesn't turn into brown flakes, but white powder. But I understand that aluminum corrodes much more in Quebec.  

Hmmmm...



An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
25 Airliners rule : AT is know for delays both time I have had family members on one of there flights they have been delayed 4 and 9 hours.
26 Post contains images YWG777 : Man there is alot of argueing about TS, C3 and QN. Well here is my 2 cents worth of this fire house arguement!!! First of all TS may have rust on thei
27 Post contains images Jet Setter : None of the Air Transat aircraft in the photos posted by Jets have rust on them. The TriStars are just dirty, they have mucky smudges on the belly and
28 CPDC10-30 : I flew CMM YYZ-LGW-YYZ earlier this month and was generally impressed with the experience. The flight was on the A330-200. The biggest difference are
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