SWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2692 times:
I've heard "in the walkway" that CO is considering a second flight to Brussels from Newark that will replace the sole B764 flight with a B752(WL) and a B762!
Can anyone confirm or have detailed info on this?
What I've heard it would become a reality in the summer TT of 2006...
I have to say that I often hear positive rumours at work and most of the time they are quite right!
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
Well, I can't say it would surprise me if it ever came to that. CO is squeezing as much out of their widebody fleet as they can, especially with the introduction of DEL coming this November, and when 777s are taken off the top, it all filters down somewhere, eventually resulting in the use of more 757s across the pond. The 752's that were used domestically in the past that are now flying internationally have been replaced with the TZ 753's for domestic routes.
UAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2614 times:
I'm with Cory.. wouldn't suprise me if CO did that. However, CO has a 2 (?) 777 orders in currently... so hopefully they'll be able to take more 767s across the pond and stop doing the 752s to GLA, DUB, and other small cities in Europe.
Tpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
I flew out of BRU on CO a few weeks ago and heard about the same, 75B 2X. I would guess both BRU and DUB will lose their 764s next year for 75Bs ,and we'll see the 764's on to new frontiers. DME or ATH ? Or maybe they will get 762s and MXP the 764 or something of that nature. Regardless, it frees up widebodies for new service.
SWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 2): I'm with Cory.. wouldn't suprise me if CO did that. However, CO has a 2 (?) 777 orders in currently... so hopefully they'll be able to take more 767s across the pond and stop doing the 752s to GLA, DUB, and other small cities in Europe.
I think CO has the strategy right with the 752's!
begin a new market with a small capacity plane with less operating costs and then make an evaluation if you can expand there or not when you are already in the market!
In the case of BRU I can confirm CO is doing good business like every other US carrier and there is still a market to expand and they do that without any skyteam partner feeding them directly or any codeshare interest like AA!
I guess the NATO/EU thing does it...
I did a quick calculation of the capacity that CO has in the following configs,
752/762 operation->345 PAX in BF and EY (possible)
764 operation->235 PAX in BF and EY (today)
777 operation->283 PAX in BF and EY (wild guess )
So the combination of the two flights delivers more than 100! PAX.
that would be a massive expansion for the BRU segment!
A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1973 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
Cory,
We have yet to fly any of the TZ 753s in service, though there are 3 "on the property" in YXX or IAH...Ships 868 and 869 should be in service soon.
As for next year, there's more flights coming, we just don't know where yet.
"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
BrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1275 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
Wouldn't it be nicer if they downgrade the EWR flights to a smaller plane (yields and occupancy allowing) and introduce something like a 762 IAH-BRU?
It wouldn't really make sense to operate a twice daily 757 service, would it?
Ideally they should put a 762 EWR-BRU and a 757 IAH-BRU but this is technically impossible, even with very big winglets
LUC From Belgium, joined Dec 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 2166 times:
I really would like to have a BRU - IAH flight.
I work for an oil/chemical company. We have quite some business in South East Texas, and a direct flight would be nice for me and my collegues.
AF/KLM would loose some business, cause I think currenlty most BRU passengers go via CDG or AMS. Via LHR and FRA is less used (except by me : but I like to be the exception.)
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1943 times:
Quoting LUC (Reply 7): I really would like to have a BRU - IAH flight.
I work for an oil/chemical company. We have quite some business in South East Texas, and a direct flight would be nice for me and my collegues.
AF/KLM would loose some business, cause I think currenlty most BRU passengers go via CDG or AMS. Via LHR and FRA is less used (except by me : but I like to be the exception.)
Luc
With AMS a Skyteam stronghold, it is unlikely BRU will get a IAH nonstop.
Dutch122 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1886 times:
LUC,
That is not going to happen, what I have heard and seen, no link yet, but do have source and CRS system, that CO has cancelled their CO102/103 to EWR and that they are going to downgrade the CO71/70 to a B767-2, and that the CO59/58 is also going to be discontinued to IAH (winterseason).
Checked CRS today and the EWR flight is not loaded anymore.
Anyone else who is able to cfm this, has not been reported yet in the DNU of CO at this moment.
SWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 1713 times:
Quoting N77014 (Reply 8): With AMS a Skyteam stronghold, it is unlikely BRU will get a IAH nonstop.
Since CO is doing a different strategy (point to hub) this fits well in CO's plan! Why not?
Also a faster connection to the west coast is great!
today if I want to get to the west coast from BRU, the DL ATL combination is the fastest, I guess IAH will be faster?
to LUC;
How often does your company employees travel between Belgium and the mid-west?
I guess if CO knows about that it can provide great contracts with your company!
they would defenitly be interested in a study of the market!
That is not going to happen, what I have heard and seen, no link yet, but do have source and CRS system, that CO has cancelled their CO102/103 to EWR and that they are going to downgrade the CO71/70 to a B767-2, and that the CO59/58 is also going to be discontinued to IAH (winterseason).
Checked CRS today and the EWR flight is not loaded anymore.
Anyone else who is able to cfm this, has not been reported yet in the DNU of CO at this moment.
Dutch122
wow that is unexpected!
Why would CO do that?
I know they do the point to hub strategy, but this is rather drastic...
Dutch122 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 1556 times:
SWISSER,
The reason given to personal at the airport, because they are opening so many new routes and of course shortage of airplanes, they need the bigger planes for the new routes.
Personal was already informed in June (including me when still active working for them) but it is official.
I do not know the real reason for cancelling the CO103/102, think personally it's a shame.
When it will officially announced I will link the messgae.
LUC From Belgium, joined Dec 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1395 times:
Quoting SWISSER (Reply 10): to LUC;
How often does your company employees travel between Belgium and the mid-west?
I guess if CO knows about that it can provide great contracts with your company!
they would defenitly be interested in a study of the market!
My company is a french company, so they encourage employees to fly via Paris :so having a deal with an American (!) airline to take away business from an french airline (AF) : you got the picture ?
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1358 times:
Quoting N77014 (Reply 8): With AMS a Skyteam stronghold, it is unlikely BRU will get a IAH nonstop.
AMs has nothing to do with CO's BRU operations - more important is the fact that EWR is CO's primary TATL gateway and the airline likely wants to avoid cannibalizing EWR in favor of expanded IAH-Europe flying.
SWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
Quoting LUC (Reply 13): My company is a french company, so they encourage employees to fly via Paris :so having a deal with an American (!) airline to take away business from an french airline (AF) : you got the picture ?
Luc
Ha yes, obviously
but who knows... would be good for me too
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