Ejazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 737 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 3): In the past, Japan Airlines had several safety issues including a gear collapsing on a 767, a pilot taking off without clearance
Singapore Airlines B772 recently took-off from Beijing without a clearance. Events like this happen but it depends on the Airline and word leaking out from other sources as to whether or not you ever hear about them. Because JAL comes clean does not mean its standards are now low or lower than other Airlines.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2494 times:
JAL has recently sufferered a string of incidents. Because of heightened attention, minor events like tire blow outs have become suddenly newsworthy. There is also an element of bad luck. By bizarre coinicidence, an NHK news crew was filming a DC-10 takeoff from Fukuoka when it experienced an uncontained engine failure. Kids on the ground were very slightly injured when they picked up hot engine parts.
However other incidents are more worrying and hard to understand. A JAL flight bound for Osaka took off from Niigata recently without having obtained an IFR clearance meaning that they did not have a transponder code, initial altitude assignment, or list of navigation fixes read back. How the flight crew overlooked this very basic step is beyond me. It was also uncovered this year that JAL had been using the wrong parts on their 747F for 8 years.
The JAL flight that tried to take off from Sapporo without clearance did so in low visibility with another airplane still on the runway. That was followed by another JAL crew that took from Seoul without an ATC clearance. A story about a new JAL problem or error seems to appear in the Japanese press about once a week now.
While ANA has been doing relatively better, they have been not immune. They also had an instance of a pilot taking off without clearance from the tower. ANA may have had the worst operational error uncovered this year when a 767 flight crew reacted improperly to a failed altimeter this summer. They flew from Tokyo to Nagasaki and were off their altitude by 5,000 feet. ATC could not know the problem because the plane's altitude reporting equipment was showing the wrong altitude. Other airplanes were endangered because TCAS also relies on altitude reporting from other airplanes to issue traffic alerts.
Japanese aviation has had a rough year. There is a drastic need to solve systemic problems before there is a serious accident.
BHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2463 times:
No quality airline on the planet would knowingly have lower safety standards. The damage done to their international reputation would be immense. We had 2 BA flights on 3 engines a while ago, and I was getting calls from clients asking "are they safe?" and "can you swop my BA ticket for another airline?".
Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3042 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
Try 3X-Japan Air Commuter for those YS-11s. They are part of JL now.
Though JL has many incidents, this is not taking a toll on bookings at all. Traffic levels remain relatively unchanged domestically or internationally from the past year. Those who fly regularly with JL will continue to do so. It's the sometimes A.netters and enthusiasts that blown things way out of proportion.
Does JL need to review its safety awareness? Yes.
Is there a need to avoid them, I don't think so. I tend to fly ANA if I have a choice, but I won't go out of the way to travel by ground or other means if the other option is by JL flying.
Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2161 times:
A few incidents do not suddenly make JAL an unsafe airline. This must be taken in the context of the scale of JAL's operation (and this certainly is also not to downplay the importance of safety).
There are many incidents at many airlines that go unreported - as alarming as these incidents might seem to us, many of them do not put their passengers in danger although they are not in any way in line with best practices standards. No airline is proud of such deviation I am certain.
But I would still fly JAL and endorse her safety standards.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3735 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2111 times:
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 18): The JL DC-10 JA8545 is indeed at NRT and just received an N-reg for ferry to one of airports in the US desert (Mohave or Marana?).
That's interesting. The last thing I heard from my JAL maintenance contact was that the aircraft would probably need to be re-certified to reenter revenue service. I guess JAL didn't want go through the trouble for an aircraft type that is going to be gone in about 6 months.
Je89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2368 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:
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Quoting Ha763 (Reply 15): Only from Fukuoka and not for long either. I've heard that the DC-10s will stop flying the Fukuoka route soon. Also, the Fukuoka route is being dropped in October.
How often does JL use the DC-10 from NRT? (JL76/JL75) Seems to be a mix of B742s and B743s mostly. I was originally planned to fly a DC-10 on JL75 to NRT about a month ago, but the flight supposedly was cancelled due to the low amount of passengers on board. Funny, since JL76/JL75 is mostly operated by the B747.
Quoting United Airline (Reply 20): But I think the B 747s will stay for quite a while, especially the 300s and 400s
Well the -400s will at least. The B742s and B743s are getting old and should be going soon.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1983 times:
I didn't say that JAL has a low safety record. I only said what a lot of Japanese think and what the Japanese press is writing. I'm aware that JAL is not the only airline with safety issues.
Btw: I personally like JAL and I just flew the 743 and 744 one week ago
JAC does still fly them between FUK and KOJ for example. The 3X flights are not displayed in most/all major GDS. Try to check the JAL or JAC website.
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1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
Quoting N79969 (Reply 23): The JALWays DC-10 had a crack or warp in the pylon after the engine blew over Fukuoka.
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 15): Of course it is repairable. The only damage was to the engine, there was no airframe damage. All they needed to do was change the engine. In fact, the aircraft, JA8545, should be at NRT right now.
After seeing the picture of the engine blowing up I wondered how that plane could not have been damaged. Sounds like it is going off to the graveyard now!