CVGramper From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3508 times:
Well this is my first post here but I've been reading the site and stuff for probably over a year. Anyways I'm a 21, almost 22 now, year old guy. Ive been going to the university of cincinnati for the last 2 years pursuing an accounting degree but have finally decided to go after my childhood dream of being a pilot. I think working at cvg on the ramp has fueled that alot. Basically I was pretty set on going to Delta Connection Academy up here in Dayton Ohio. The problem is its soooo expensive and pretty much noone in my family supports my decision to become a pilot. I applied for the loan and it came back saying i needed a co signer. I finally got my mom to agree to co sign but working at cvg i talk to a comair pilot just about everyday to see what they think of the school ect. Ive gotten so many mixed answers its really getting frustrating but the last guy i talked too seemed really knowledgable and said that he didnt think it was worth it especially to someone as young as me. He said that i should be able to go to any flight school and get all my ratings for 20-25 thousand. So now im considering going back to UC to do their aviation technology program but I'm just not sure. I guess im scared because I feel like if i just go to some regular program like that my chances of being hired are alot less than if i went to delta connection.
Sorry that was so long but any advice would be GREATLY appreciated
C-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 39 Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3478 times:
Your chances of being hired on in a flying position have nothing to do with whether or not you went to one of those pay for training academies, rather it has to do with whether the prospective employer likes you, or they don't.
Second, you will be able to obtain your ratings much cheaper at an FBO for the same education. People become too enamored with the fact that DCA is owned by Delta to realize that being owned by Delta means absolutely nothing. There's no benefit there, don't fall for the marketing BS. And don't think for a second that by going to DCA means you will have a better chance getting a job. You'll have a better chance at getting a job by networking with people in the industry than you will at DCA, and thats why I suggested www.jetcareers.com .
So, here's what you can do....
You can finish your degree, get a good accounting job and work your way up through your ratings. You will need a four year degree to be hired by a major anyway and it's always good to have a backup. The downside is it could take more time but you'll finish with little debt and a strong work history at your accounting job.
Or you could try to get a loan and go at it all in one shot at a REPUTABLE flight school. The disadvantage to this is you're going to come out of it with a large amount of debt and no guarantee of a job. I know plenty of people who went to good flight schools/unis on loans, got out and couldn't get a flying job and are now pumping gas while living at home to pay off their loans. It's a viscious cycle of sorts.
CVGramper From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3460 times:
Thanks for the quick replies guys
I know alot of people on here dont seem to like DCA and some of the pilots I have talked to said it is way overpriced. On the other hand though it does seem that they place a TON of their graduates with the airlines. I know its a risky business no matter what road I go down. The guy I talked to the other day though was pretty positive about just going to any small school and getting my ratings. He basically said its going to the same as DCA but I would have to get a few smaller jobs along the way and it would take a few more years to get hired by Comair or any other regional carriers.
I've got till january basically to figure it out ....its sooo confusing
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4105 posts, RR: 38 Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3451 times:
I would suggest doing your training at a non-academy. It's cheaper and you dont have to deal with a bunch of douchebags who think they are flying for delta airlines by going to DCA. The quality of training is as good or better at a smaller school, too. I started all my training around the same time as one of my buddies who went to DCA. B/c i did it part 61, I got my instructor ratings earlier, built my time faster (got hired with a place that had a charter operation,too) and got myself out in the industry. I'm now an RJ captain and he's still a CFI looking for a job with a regional.
It's all about how you position yourself into the industry and getting the inital training done quickly and cheaply, but getting alot out of it. Good luck! email me or IM me if you want to...
Jambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3424 times:
Welcome to A.net!
If you are interested in doing a PPL abroad, then there is a school here in Dar es Salaam (Tanzania) which offers the whole PPL Program (including flight hours, ground school) for approx. US $7900 if i'm not mistaken.
CVGramper From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3410 times:
Thanks for the warm welcomes everyone!
XFSUgimpLB41X I will definitely email you or im you sometime. I hate asking so many questions but coming from a poor family i really just want to make the right choice and spend as little money as possible to get there. Jetcarriers.com is also an awesome find! I sent the link to both my parents in an email and hopefully it will give them a little more insight to the profession.
What do you guys think about ATP flight school?
The accelerated airline placement seems pretty cheap for what it offers
Also I was wondering if anyone has options for financing all this as neither me nor my family has enough money to just pay it out right
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3399 times:
First and foremost finish your degree. No major airline will even look at you with out a 4 year degree. Also, with todays very tight job market it will incress your chances of getting called. No matter what the flight school recruter tells you, there are tens of thousands of laid off pilots right now working at Lowes and Home Depot just waiting for a call too.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 54 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3387 times:
First of all, and I know I'm a little biased here, but have you ever considered the military? If not, you might want to look into it if the financial situation is as hard as it was for me at first. But, you really have to want the military so if not, I don't suggest that.
Otherwise, there have been some very good suggestions on here, especially your local FBO...
Quoting 777STL (Reply 2): And don't think for a second that by going to DCA means you will have a better chance getting a job.
This is the absolute truth. Don't let the marketing fool you because you can easily get your first three, PPL, Inst., CPL, for about half as much as Delta Connection would charge you. Plus, you want to look into your local FBO as much as possible since its right there where you are. If you PM me your location, I can set you up with a list of name of local flight schools.
Quoting CVGramper (Reply 6): Also I was wondering if anyone has options for financing all this as neither me nor my family has enough money to just pay it out right
Well, if nothing else fails, Pilot Finance, Inc. is a good company that I used at the very beginning for my PPL. They are extremely helpful and will discuss all of your options...