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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

The new colors of Avianca is now also attached on one of the Dornier 328 of VIP (Ecuador).

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=378903

It looks like that all airline of the Synergy Aerospace (Avianca, OceanAir, SAM Colombia, VIP and Wayraperu) introduce this colors on the planes.

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Really interesting. Thanks for the link Martial. I wonder if there are pics of OceanAir and Wayra Peru planes sporting this AV-like livery.


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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2878 times:

Very interesting! I was thinking about that since they should all be recognized as one group, like LAN and TACA. Cool! I want to see the Wayra and Oceanair aircraft now!

User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 834 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2842 times:

Looks grea in that Colors...

Gus
SKBO



Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

could image also some D328 for AV in future.... think it would be fit in for some new routes in the AV system... for example Pasto-Medellin, Medellin-Cucuta... etc etc etc.


regards

btw, the colors looks great on the D328.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

This was a complete surprise, a good one too. Thanks for that information and link, it looks great.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
could image also some D328 for AV in future.... think it would be fit in for some new routes in the AV system... for example Pasto-Medellin, Medellin-Cucuta... etc etc etc.

I agree, Satena has been very successful with theirs.



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Well, the website still has the old colors:




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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 5):
I agree, Satena has been very successful with theirs.

absolutly, there are tons of routes that Avianca could use the D328, many routes from the coast city for example from BAQ and CTG...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
many routes from the coast city for example from BAQ and CTG...

Also RCH and VUP...



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 8):
Also RCH and VUP

oh yes, for example to MDE and CLO



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting Tavong (Reply 3):
could image also some D328 for AV in future.... think it would be fit in for some new routes in the AV system... for example Pasto-Medellin, Medellin-Cucuta... etc etc etc.

You chose the worst examples. One thing is your opinion about the Do328s for AV which I respect, but a completely different story are those two routes which AV is anything but interested in opening.

Forget about MDE-PSO. The Pasto diaspora in Medellin is incredibly small, there is simply no market for it. Right now people interested in going to Pasto from Medellin can easily make MDE-CLO and connect fast with AV's CLO-PSO service.

MDE-CUC is another story. AV flew it for years, and it finally got dropped. CUC is now being operated directly from EOH, and AV is definitely not interested in re-opening its former EOH base, it already failed twice in the past. Aires flies EOH-CUC currently.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 8):
Also RCH and VUP...



Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
oh yes, for example to MDE and CLO

What? Man, really, there are other routes that more desperately need a nonstop service.

For example, CLO has been crying for a decent service to the northern coast for years, not only does Cali barely get 1 daily flight to Cartagena, but they haven't seen a nonstop to Santa Marta for years ! Cali also deserves at least 1 daily nonstop flight to Barranquilla, which they currently do not have. In front of those, CLO-VUP or MDE-RCH seem ridiculous.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 834 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
could image also some D328 for AV in future.... think it would be fit in for some new routes in the AV system... for example Pasto-Medellin, Medellin-Cucuta... etc etc etc

Alongside the Routes it would operate (a also agree that MDE-PSO would be plan useless for AV) i also don't think that AV would bring here the Do328 unless is extremely necessarry, you already know that the Fokker50 fleet will be leaving when the F-100 arrives excepting for the Manizales routes so why bring a Do328?

Don't get me wrong i love the plane it's an excellent performer but for AV routes in Colombia they will not work, unfortunately The only Do328 we will see here is the Satena's ones.

Gus
SKBO



Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
Very interesting! I was thinking about that since they should all be recognized as one group, like LAN and TACA. Cool! I want to see the Wayra and Oceanair aircraft now!

So now that AV does it is cool, but when LAN did it was sort of "invasive"...

One more time LAN shows how advanced is for runing business... very smart move for Avianca and sinergy group!

Regards )(



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
CLO-VUP or MDE-RCH seem ridiculous.

RCH is getting more and more tourism every day and its only dayly flight is shared with VUP. I am sure there is more space there. RCH used to have daily AV and daily Inter without problem. I heard P5 is evaluating RCH.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
So now that AV does it is cool, but when LAN did it was sort of "invasive"...

One more time LAN shows how advanced is for runing business... very smart move for Avianca and sinergy group!

VIP is still VIP, not Avianca Ecuador..



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
RCH is getting more and more tourism every day and its only dayly flight is shared with VUP. I am sure there is more space there. RCH used to have daily AV and daily Inter without problem. I heard P5 is evaluating RCH.

There probably is more space, but it's all going to BOG, never to MDE nor to CLO.

AV already struggles to fill its unique daily flight to RCH off-season, it's actually VUP the one moving the wealthy passengers and higher-yielding travelers; that's why they combine it in one route. RCH's loads/yields are not bad, but never comparable to those of VUP.

As I said before, MDE, before getting flights to RCH would get more capacity to SMR or BAQ for example; only one daily F-50 flight for the MDE-SMR route is plain ridiculous.

West Caribbean Airways operated MDE-VUP service at one point in the late-90s, but the flights got cancelled almost instantly due to poor performance. No wonder, there are nearly zero ties between Medellin and Valledupar.

CLO, as well, before seeing VUP or RCH, would see a decent service to CTG/BAQ/SMR. CLO currently lacks of nonstops to BAQ and SMR.




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 8):
Also RCH and VUP...



Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
absolutly, there are tons of routes that Avianca could use the D328, many routes from the coast city for example from BAQ and CTG...

I agree with Soutamerica, please!

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
So now that AV does it is cool, but when LAN did it was sort of "invasive"...

VIP is still VIP. NOT LAN (in the case AV) we want to rip your country off-something.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
VIP is still VIP, not Avianca Ecuador..

Thank you!


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
VIP is still VIP. NOT LAN (in the case AV) we want to rip your country off-something.

This site is about airlines, why do you type about countries? for that, I recommend Non Aviation, I'd be glad to show you my fantastic country.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14):
As I said before, MDE, before getting flights
to RCH would get more capacity to SMR or BAQ for example; only one daily F-50 flight for the MDE-SMR route is plain ridiculous.

Why is that? it's a matter of market size or lack of offer or something?

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
VIP is still VIP, not Avianca Ecuador..

Technically... not facts...



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 16):
Why is that? it's a matter of market size or lack of offer or something?

Yes, basically limited offer against very high-demand, which make yields boost incredibly. Most of AV's focused-routes out of MDE have long-outdone the offer provided by the company, both in cargo and in passengers, especially the Barranquilla and Santa Marta flights, and that is no secret.

AV offers 3 daily MD-83 flights between Bogota and Santa Marta, yet only one Fokker-50 flight [two in high-season] from Medellin to the same city. AV registers nearly 90% of load in low-season in the MDE-SMR route, and try booking a flight for high-season, I'd rather try finding a needle in a heystack ! AV is well-aware of this situation, but until extra aircraft arrive, the flights will have to stay as they are; it is the company's priority to consolidate the hub in BOG after all, and MDE is just a separate independent station.

Fortunately, the Fokker-100s are on their way, and hopefully AV will deploy several to be based in MDE.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 17):
Yes, basically limited offer against very high-demand, which make yields boost incredibly. Most of AV's focused-routes out of MDE have long-outdone the offer provided by the company, both in cargo and in passengers, especially the Barranquilla and Santa Marta flights, and that is no secret.

And what's the limitation of adding more seats/flights? AV or any other just lack the capacity?

Regards)(



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 18):
And what's the limitation of adding more seats/flights? AV or any other just lack the capacity?

Yes Jorge, in the bottom, it's due to aircraft shortage...

...And not only are these type of domestic projects on hold, there are several interesting ideas for the international operation which cannot take place because, again, of very tight aircraft utilisation.

The recent addition of another MD-83 just helped to free up a bit the domestic operation out of BOG, but the vast majority of international routes require 757/767 equipment. Even the few MD-83 international flights as BAQ-MIA or BOG-PTY cry for larger equipment-more capacity.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 658 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
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AV just started yesterday to operate on a daily basis BOG-UIO-LIM-UIO-BOG with MD-83's.

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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

I heard a rumor that Aerorepublica's planes are gonna start being painted with the same Copa (continentalish) livery, can anyone in Colombia confirm. Im kinda out of the environment now that I'm not living in Panama

User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 16):
Technically... not facts...

Nice way of replaying saying nothing..  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Hah can this get any more boring? As if LAN & TACA wasn't enough now also Avianca is slapping those euro-boring colors on everything. Wayra, VIP, SAM, OceanAir??

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
I heard a rumor that Aerorepublica's planes are gonna start being painted with the same Copa (continentalish) livery, can anyone in Colombia confirm. Im kinda out of the environment now that I'm not living in Panama

No please! Not that ugly and super boring Continental scheme haha < yawn > how boring has Latin American aviation gotten!  zzz 


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 23):
Hah can this get any more boring? As if LAN & TACA wasn't enough now also Avianca is slapping those euro-boring colors on everything. Wayra, VIP, SAM, OceanAir??

Not that bad if the colors are as beautiful as Avianca shows them to us. I actually would love to see more aircrafts in this nice look. It also is normal to show its corporate identity.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 23):
No please! Not that ugly and super boring Continental scheme haha < yawn > how boring has Latin American aviation gotten!

In this case I would prefer as well if P5 keeps it's colors, even though COPA probably would like to have them in its look.


25 RICARIZA : What are you talking about?. Avianca's livery is very nice and one of the most colorful in Latin America.
26 Tavong : i don't get how AV's or LAN's colors fits in the "eurowhite" schemes..... Gus SKBO
27 RICARIZA : Exactly!..
28 Post contains links and images PPVRA : One of us must be colorblind: View Large View MediumPhoto © Bernardo Andrade[Edited 2005-09-03 05:11:49]
29 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : It's nice yes, that's about it. Not great and doesn't really look very Colombian or has any tropical. exotic (or most imporant, an elegant design lik
30 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : How condescending of you Mario. Where did you leave old times of real good taste in where only cheatlines were accepted in your book man? This proves
31 AV757 : Both the Avianca and Lan liveries where designed by the same company, Future Brands. AV757
32 SOUTHAMERICA : Not to be picky captain, but it's actually FutureBrand, together and in singular. SOUTHAMERICA
33 Post contains images RICARIZA : Everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I think AV's new livery looks more Colombian now than it did with the old one. Now it has the "Condor" with
34 Viasa : Other news about Synergy Aerospace are, that they take over six former Jetsgo MD-83 - one is for AV (53463/2089, N160BS), and the other five are not y
35 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Right, like you would know that's a condor if they hadn't told you..    Oh im sorry! I should have known it wasn't all tropical b/c of some parts e
36 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Dimelooo Fede! Trust me, i'm still old school all the way regarding cheatlines, windowlines and everything in between! But as far as the new schemes
37 AV757 : N160BS is in TUS being serviced and painted in the new AV livery, It should be ferried to BOG sometime next weekend. The other MD-83 is N161BS which i
38 Post contains images RICARIZA : True, call it "Condor" or a big "X" but my point is still the same, it looks more Colombian now than before. What? Those "some parts" are about 45% o
39 RICARIZA : AV757 Any news about the future of SAM?
40 757MDE : I love AV's new scheme but I wouldn't like it to be painted on all the Synergy Group's Airlines. I'd prefer some sort of Synergy Group logo on all pla
41 RCS763AV : Yea, it looks like a bird at least. Ummmm.....the tropical part of the territory is just like 15%....
42 SOUTHAMERICA : Colombia's territory is entirely, 100% tropical. Everything is well-within Cancer and Capricorn, and the vast majority of the terrain is low-land. On
43 RCS763AV : Yes, we all know that since 3rd grade, but you cant say Pasto is a tropical (in the culture-way) city or Medellin is always full of Carnivals and Sal
44 MATURRO727 : RCS763AV HAHA, dude are you sure that you know Colombia is 100% tropical since 3rd grade ??? Sure is 3rd grade? you might want to reconsider that agai
45 AV757 : Reply 39 "AV757 Any news about the future of SAM?" So far it seems that SAM will only operate all 10 Fokker 100's within Colombia, the MD-83's and the
46 Summa767 : About the F100s, Synergy has made a further purchase of $4.4m from Global Airworks to provide 20 of these with IFE. It will consist of 6 retractable
47 Post contains images Arcano : I had no idea... thanks for the tip. After all, they do look somehow similar. As Miami said, both of them are fine, but compared to the 90s LAN liver
48 RICARIZA : Yes, but Colombia is not 100% tropical (culture-wise). Yes, but same reason, culture-wise, Colombia is tropical only in the north coast and San Andre
49 Post contains links and images MIAMIx707 : I thought it was one of those 3M adhesive scotch tapes when I first saw it. Wow.. tremendo peo mental. I know your only like 13 and nothing wrong wit
50 757MDE : I somehow like that plan!
51 Tavong : I also would like to see a green SAM again, i love that cheatline with the tailbird, the best SAM livery until this time. Gus SKBO
52 Post contains images RICARIZA : Your lack of argument and stubbornness is becoming entertaining.
53 MIAMIx707 : Is that why you keep replying? lol nobody is fighting. We're mostly out of high school already. I wish I could take an atlas or a geography book and
54 Post contains links and images Tavong : Why always these conversations should end in an endless figth? totally agreed, anyway click this link to add a little explnation (or to add fire to t
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