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Where Are The MD90's?  
User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

There seems to be so few of these built, especially compared to their ancestors DC-9 / MD-8x aircraft.

I believe Delta was the launch customer and still has at least some in service. Any ideas of where I can go see where the present day fleet are? My understanding is that- even by today's standards- they are quite fuel efficient, although I note that the cockpit design looks very similar to the MD-8x. Same type-rating for the MD-8x's and the MD-9x's??

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=002340

I just love the forward cantilevered fuselage of these birds!

Thanks- Bruce.

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User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

I remember reading on here a couple of weeks back that some were sent to the wrecking ball.

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

Early MD-90s were an absolute dog. The V2500 engine was new and initially troublesome, and the aircraft itself had significantly different features in its systems to the earlier MD-80 family.

There are a number still flying today, but commonality and lack of numbers is against the aircraft. Which is a shame as they are extremely efficient and quiet compared to earlier family members.


User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

Delta, SAS, EVA/UNI, Lion, Nordic Leisure, Hello (British Jet), China Eastern, Northern, Southern, and JAS takes care of most if not all.


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User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

The only MD-90-30 to be broken-up (at kingman, AZ) was the prototype.

Three are still stored at Marana, AZ and Saudi Arabian reportedly use two of their 29 for spare parts.

Two MD-90-30s were built in China as well and operate with China Northern Airlines.

Mike
dacman



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

There are rumours around that three ex-Air Aruba/ProAir birds are going to be broken up simply because there are no takers for the aircraft. Unfortunately the owners of these aircraft have deemed the aircraft more valuable as parts then as whole pieces.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 5):
There are rumours around that three ex-Air Aruba/ProAir birds are going to be broken up simply because there are no takers for the aircraft.

Airtransport database reports that these 3 M90's were recently parted out.

Did the recent Saudi M90 fire in CAI result in a write-off also?



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

Lion Air of Indonesia has some (along with several MD-80s).


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User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Thanks for the replies. Bruce.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

Lion Air's MD90s are ex-AA/Reno ones.

User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

I don't think Lion Air is going to have MD-90's much longer. They are the launch customer for Boeing's 737-900ER.


http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q3/nr_050718g.html



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User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

I've flown on a DL MD-90 a few times out of SLC. Extremely quiet and smooth ride. Sad that these airframes aren't more desired.


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):
Early MD-90s were an absolute dog. The V2500 engine was new and initially troublesome, and the aircraft itself had significantly different features in its systems to the earlier MD-80 family.

The V2500 wasn't new even back then, having been in operation on the A320 since the late 1980's. I cannot speak for this specific engine version, which might have had some trouble, though.



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6376 times:

Quoting MX757 (Reply 11):
I don't think Lion Air is going to have MD-90's much longer. They are the launch customer for Boeing's 737-900ER.

I hope that the MD-90s will be used by Lion's subsidiary, Wings Air, for domestic routes whereas the new 737s will be used for regional ones.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6353 times:

There were 5 ex-Reno MD-90s. Did Lion Air picked up all 5? I had wished that Delta would have gotten these birds once AA terminated the leases on them. AA did offered them to DL, but DL in turn offered AA its 16 MD-90s. Regards.


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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6336 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
Did the recent Saudi M90 fire in CAI result in a write-off also?

I believe you're right about that, Saudi Arabian Airlines currently has 27 MD-90's flying, with a further two in storage, that leaves one of their original 30.

JL's domestic operation, (ex JAS) has 16 in service.



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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

SAS currently operates 3 MD-90's,3 are grounded and the last 2 are being leased to Nordic Leisure in Sweden.
After initial problems ("learning curve" reasons) the planes were extremely reliable as long as they were maintained by STS at OSL.However,with the transfer of technical and operational service of the MD-90 fleet to CPH,the servicability of the fleet decreaseed to such a level that SAS has decided to ground the entire fleet from the end of October this year.Very sad,indeed.The MD-90 was all the MD-80 should have been from the beginning.



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User currently offlineYanqui67 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2005, 508 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

I worked them things at Delta. Let me clue you guys in. JUNK!! They have all kinds of problems. The electrical system while nice in theory is always breaking down. The engines are the same as the A320 but is mounted at an angle since it is not hanging off a wing. The gearbox had to be redesigned for the new configuration. The thrust reversers are a nightmare to open up for maintenance. There are also more things that are unique to the MD-90 but I could go on for days. I loved flying it, very quiet and confortable. Not nice for AMTs though. If Delta could of found a buyer, they would of been gone long ago.
Agustin Anaya


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Dont forget Ghana Int'l Airways is getting some MD-90's but I dont know where thy are coming from


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Quoting Brucek (Thread starter):
Any ideas of where I can go see where the present day fleet are?

To answer your question, you would most likely find MD-90's in the US is at SLC as DL has based them there, because they perform better in the mountainous regions better than the MD-88's due to engine efficincy.

Regards from BDL,(flew on a 90 once and loved it)  bigthumbsup 
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

More information on the MD90's:

http://www.angelfire.com/dc/douglasjets/MD-90_Production_list.htm



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User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

MD-90s are also flying for "Hello" of Switzerland.

If you love the MD-90 like I do, check out the images from their website.

http://www.hello.ch/

Free download images exterior, interior, crew shots and crew with passengers! These are great aircraft images and the best I've ever seen of the the mighty-90.  bigthumbsup 

The 90 certainly was the second to last gasp of McDonnell Douglas. Very sad. With the 90, they had the final evolution that started with the DC-9. Yes, they have had their maintenance issues. I am sorry Agustin that they are so hard on the AMT. I thank you for your detailed experiences good, bad or otherwise. I am always glad to hear more about the aircraft.

The end history of the program I never quite understood, but the financial situation of MD at the end was so difficult. The move to join up with a Chinese manufacturer in making some over there; I never saw how that was good for MD in the end. Then there was the MD-95/Boeing 717. "Son of MD-90," you could call it. If only it had continued on too. But Boeing was competing against itself with the 717 I guess. I hope the 90's keep flying for a great deal longer. They certainly have a niche with airlines like "Hello," who fly in high altitude areas.


Here are three images from the anet database. Impossible to pick a favorite image. First, a "Hello," then in Delta classic widget, my favorite Delta look. The last may be a good example of what Agustin means by it being hard to work on. Note the technician inside the engine! It is a great look inside those big V2500 bad boys. They cry out to be at the threshold of the runway, and then go full power and into the sky!


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

They are an amazing aircraft, i flew on it twice this summer, once ORD-SLC on my way to DEN in June and the next time SLC-ORD coming back from YYC in August, i hope they stay around for awhile, although i hear that is unlikley.

'902



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 13):

The V2500 wasn't new even back then, having been in operation on the A320 since the late 1980's. I cannot speak for this specific engine version, which might have had some trouble, though.

Yanqui67 posted a fair enough precis on the V2500 problems. It was also new in that it had not been used on the DC-9 or similar kind of airframe before and presented a complete set of new problems to McDD in that conventional clamshell reversers were ruled out.

In fact I can't think of any other rear-engined aircraft that has ever used the moving cowl/ring type before, with the exception of that VC-10 which tested the RB211 in flight. And look what happened to that!


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Quoting Yanqui67 (Reply 18):
The thrust reversers are a nightmare to open up for maintenance.

I still have my monster size straight slot screwdriver in my tool box for the MD-90 T/R.


25 Md95 : Not to mention the glass cockpit. The introduction of the LCD displays caused a quantum lap to the lay out of the cockpit instrumentation which was ma
26 LMP737 : The Saudi Arabian MD-90's had LCD displays similar in layout to the 717. The overhead looked a lot like the MD-11 in the way it was laid out.
27 Post contains links LH455 : Saudi Arabian flies a fleet of 29 MD90-30s: Saudi fleet
28 Post contains links and images TommyBoy : MD-95 Am I wrong here..dosen't look like the -90 has a glass cockpit or is common with the 717.... View Large View MediumPhoto © Viktor László
29 BR715-A1-30 : Only the Saudi MD90s have the Honeywell VIA 2000 Avionics (A.K.A. 717 Glass Cockpit), but a lot of the systems are still MD-80 type systems. (Suitcase
30 Flyingviking : The MD-90 entered service with Delta Airlines April 1 1995 on DFW-EWR. I got a tour of the plane right before block out, just by telling the gate agen
31 SULUK : FBU 4EVER! Is this for sure that all SAS MD-90 will be grounded by the end of the summer timetable? This is really sad, we always loved to have them f
32 Brucek : Some really great info here, especially the list of deliveries and their history. SBN580, those photos say it all! Thanks- Bruce.
33 TheSonntag : I flew the Nordic Leisure MD90 SE-DMF just recently from PMI - SXF, and while it was much quieter than the MD80, I somewhat still prefer the MD80. But
34 FBU 4EVER! : Yes,this is official and has beensfor several months now.Sad but true.
35 LMP737 : When I worked for BOeing in Long Beach there was a letter on the delivery center wall from the CEO of SAS back when they first took delivery of the M
36 Post contains links and images M404 : At only 5 ft longer than the more common -80 I can't really tell the differance but the overall elongated effect is still wild. Of the 9 series that t
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