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"Non Rev": What Is This?  
User currently offlineJDungate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

What do you guys mean by the term "no rev"?

59 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineRotate777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Non Rev means to fly for free. How do you become a non rev? Well, you either have to work for an airline or have a family member work for an airline.
So whenever a non rev wants to fly, they just go to the airport and ask if there are any availible seats and if there are, then they can go on that flight. Usually in First Class too.

Rotate777


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Non revenue passenger. Mosy of the time it is an airline employee ot the family of an airline employee! They travel at discount rates! I am one of them  !


Jeremiah Teahan




Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

It is not free! It is 5 or 10% off the ticket price! You must purchase a ticket at the airline employee travel centre!


Jeremiah Teahan




Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

I don't know about Swissair, but at United, we get ID-95's which entitle us to a 95% discount off of rates---you multiply the mileage by a certain percent (I'll have to search for the sheet), which gives you your total cost for the ticket. SFO-SEA in Economy is $6.25, while SFO-SEA First Class is $13.60. SFO-HNL in Business Class is $24.00 r/t.

"Non-Reving--It is a wonderful thing..."

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineSeasonedflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2747 times:

I feel sorry for all of you that have to pay to 'non-rev'....kind of a non-sequitar, don't you think.

At Delta, the employees fly for free. Absolutely free. No taxes, no 'yield fare', free. The only problem is, with a system load factor of 86%, trying to find an open seat to somewhere other than Boise is getting a little difficult.

p.s. All Delta employees get 'buddy' passes to give to their friends (no restriction on who you call a friend). It is about the same as an ID-95.

It's amazing how close a friendship people want to develop with you when they find out you have an extra buddy pass....


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Some DL employee told me that you can't fly First Class internationally, though...true?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

(UA has buddy passes as well)


User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2736 times:


I believe IATA standard for "Non-Rev" classification is 25% or less of the published economy fare. This usually only includes staff discount and crew must-ride passengers.

Some airlines will segregate Non-Rev passengers for reporting purposes through their reservation system. A normal passenger in a reservation system would read (for example):

SMITH/ A MR

If they were a non-rev passenger their system entry may read:

P/SMITH/ A MR = for positive space travel, or;
S/SMITH/ A MR = for standby travel.

Hope this helps!

B727-200.


User currently offlineDash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Errm, depends on the airline there, some are totally Free!!!

User currently offlineRotate777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Seasonedflyer,

Wanna be my friend?   Just Kidding! I wish I was a non rev or had a friend who was. That would be cool.

Rotate777


User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3434 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
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One must keep in mind non-revs can find themselves stuck for days at a time if flights are full. NR's board in certain priorities...employees, family (spouse, kids, parents), buddies, other airline employees..etc. Within each catagory senority rules all... ie. 20 years goes before 10. Family of a 10 year employee goes before that of a 5 year. Buddy of a 5 year boards before that of a 3 year. During a busy holiday period, NR's can pile up, flight after flight until there are 50,70, 100 waiting to get a seat on one plane. (I kid you NOT... !!)


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User currently offlineAWA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

That's true... sometimes it can be a total pain in the ass! So if it's a busy travel time (or busy travel days) and I really have to be somewhere, I sometimes end up just buying a ticket... even on my own airline.

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5520 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Having done a bit of "non-rev" flying, I can tell you that the priorities are sometimes altered- I fly non-rev b/c a family member works for a major, once showed up at LGB for a return to DFW- flight wide-open until the other major serving LGB to my destination at the time had its next flight mechanical out- Oof!

As always, I dressed for first-class (used to have to wear ties, etc.) and there was one seat left; gate agents (of course) holding out to make sure no revenue pax get left; another non-rev passenger kept hounding the agent in a less-than-pleasant way about "when'll I get my boarding pass..." and being none too nice anout it.

That feller stepped away for a moment, the agent smiled at me, handed me the pass, and said, "Run!" Across the tarmac, into the MD80, door hit my butt and off we went.

I know that other guy was a higher pass priority than I was (heck, I waslower than dirt); but sometimes it pays to be pleasant.

Come to think of it, good advice even if you're paying for the trip...

It's funny, though, when there is a stack-up of non-rev's trying to get home at a big hub (ORD, DFW)- you begin to recognize the same faces as you trudge from gate to gate, trying (hoping, praying) to get there. And the list gets posted and you move down, down...
... so now you know why there are people with pained faces at the gate when you show up at that very last minute with a revenue ticket- someone's staying behind, and may even be pulled off the plane!



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineBA744 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

BA recently had all Oz and Asia flights emborgoed to NRs because this time last year BKK and SIN were regularily seeing 100+ staff turning up each night trying to get back to LHR!

The local staff were getting p**sed off that they were just fielding calls from staff enquiring about the flights.

So far so good for me, haven't got caught anywhere yet, few problems getting home from Cape Town and Hong Kong, but managed to get upgraded - nice!

Not being able to get home though is no excuse if you can't get into work. You may lose your entitlement all together, if you can't get back in time for work!


User currently offlineV Jet From Australia, joined May 1999, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

BA744
I remember this time last year in SIN and BKK as well. It was the same for us at QF. Very tough on the local staff!


User currently offlineTAA_Airbus From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

My friend managed to get me a non rev ticket with Ansett Australia. I figured it was only for direct family members, but somehow they he must of found a loophole. Anyway, my question is can you get frequent flyer points on a non rev flight. Im refering to Ansett, so maybe only the aussies in the know can answer.

But seriously, 55 dollar business class ticket sure beats a 1300 dollar business class ticket.
Just goes to show how ridiculous Australian airfares are.


User currently offlineWishihadalife From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

If non-rev flying accumulated FF miles, I would be a million miler many times over on many carriers!

In other words, NO.  


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Non reving is not that cheap! This summer we will fly GVA-ZRH-LAX-HNL return in C class for 215 Swiss Francs ($150) on an ID00 (only taxes) but then the expensive part comes! 400 Seiss Francs in Y Class ID90 HNL-Rarotonga with Air NZ! I will be doing this trip in June!

Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

My favourite holiday ever, was Christmas/New Year 1992, when I travelled to Langkawi in Malaysia. Being, at the time, SQ staff, I flew on an ID100 ticket from Perth-Singapore-Penang, ID95 Penang-Langkawi on MH. I was to stay in Langkawi for 12 days (all on standby, due to the season). When it came time to leave LGK for SIN on my ID100 ticket with MI, the flight was absolutely chockers. Seeing as I was on standby, I was, of course, one of the first bumped off the flight. The next available flight was on Monday afternoon.

The day was a Friday, which as Langkawi is more Muslim than most other parts of Malaysia, there weren't many people about. I trotted back to the Sheraton Resort (away from the Pantai Cenang tourist strip), only to find that there was a Japanese conference-cum-golf trip on, and that they were unable to accommodate me. The guy who picked me up at the airport on my arrival in Langkawi, offered to let me stay with his family at his farm.

I have to say, for such an Islamic island (and I mean ISLAMIC, in the sense that they have loud speakers at various points around the island, which blare out every morning at 5am to beckon the people to the mosques...arrgghhh.....the humanity), I have never met a family that drinks so much piss, and generally know how to have a great time. It turned out, that on his farm, apart from the odd water buffalo running about, he also grew mushies (the kuta variety). The next three nights were just full-on parties with Andrew, his family and his mates. To be honest, I can't remember much of what happened over that weekend, but whatever I got up sure as hell beat being back here in Perth (although I do remember going out in the fields on the farm on a trike and going arse-over-tit and landing 5 metres away from the most enormous water buffalo I have ever seen, and the brown stuff in my pants as I got the hell out of there!!!). I have since been back to Langkawi twice and on each return trip have saved myself the money (even though ya get 75% discount at the Sheraton) and stayed with Andrew and his family. So, I must say, that travelling on a standby non-rev ticket and getting bumped isn't all that bad.

Any other non-rev stories out there ya wanna share?


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Non Reving in Europe is much easier.

The best holiday had to be to HNL last year! On the HNL-LAX flight we were upgraded to F class! Such a nice end to the holiday! We landed in LAX ar 05:00! I then had the full day at the airport until 16:00 in the afternoon. I went to the viewing gallery in the Thomas Bradley International Termainal, bought a few Cokes at Mc. Donalds and had a great day. Afterwards we were in C class on SR. There was the nicest FA ever. When she noticed I was not eating my meal (It was allready a vegetarian meal but had eggs. Some of you may know that I am lacto vegetarian) She went up to F Class and got me a lovely plate of vegetarian lasagne etc. She also talked to me and my parents a bit during the flight  !

When you fly non rev., you allways seem to get better treatment from the crew. On a GVA-LHR in Y class, my mom knew a flight attendant. She gave my mom 2 small bottles of champagne and me a heap of SR chocolates!

All this joy of travelling non rev will end when I am 24 which is in 10 years time  ! That day will be the worst day of my life!   Well I guess I will have to get myself a job with an airline  

Jeremiah Teahan









Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

For those who don't know this.....NONREVING IS THE BEST BENEFIT OF ANY OCCUPATION WORLD WIDE. It's amazing the amount of diversity within the airline community. In five years I have flown not only first class 90 percent of the time, but if a price tag was attatched the approx total: $100,000!! and that is not an exaggeration.........For the UA person asking if DL gets first class international......We have went to a two tier seating configuraton; BusinessElite and coach; therefore we don't have a First class section, but BusinessElite is a wonderful seat for 8 hours!!!! I'm also proud to say that DL goes up and beyond for ID90's. If you are with another airline and DL has First class open well you can bet we will place you up front!!!

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

There must be some places on Internet or so where employees sell friends-passes... Does anyone knows how to get one?? I love flying, don't mind to wait on an airport a few hours, and am not close with any airline empoyee :-(((


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

It is illegal to sell buddy/friend passes!

Jeremiah Teahan







Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

To give you an example how most airlines deal with passes I'll use Delta. Of coarse I fly free with the exception of International taxes. My parents also share this benefit by just showing a flight "like credit card". Also we are permitted to choose a companion of our choice that can fly with this card, but the companion must purchase a flight pass. All Delta employees are granted 8 "Family and Friends" passes per year. With the companion and Family and Friends passes Delta asseses a fare based on this: domestic flights are 3 cents per airmile, and international is 1.5 cents per airmile. One way between Atlanta and Washington is approx 17 dollars!! Now here is the catch: An employee caught selling a Family and Friends pass can be subject to TERMANATION!!! And DL is very strict that one traveling on these passes must be leisure only!!! Put it this way my Friends and Family love me!!

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Hm, I don't wanna do something illegal, I guess I'll just have to use my natural charm and become friends with someone in the airline business. Is there some dating-box with many airline employees? > 


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
25 Brissie_lions : This is so true. A friend of mine was f/a'ing for Emirates in Dubai and her best friend over there was sacked for scamming the buddy passes. All this
26 AA61hvy : one of the previous posts said you have to be in the family to non-rev. I non-reved with my best friend and his mom is a FA. but I was a D3 and i had
27 Tritanic : You don't have to be in a family. Usually immediate family flies under the employees direct benefits. Each airline usually gives an alottment of passe
28 DELTA15 : For Delta it is not free til you work there for 10 years. It is 15 dollars a day of traveling, and you get a certain amount of free flights each year.
29 Wishihadalife : Having non-revved on over 30 carriers in my time, my honest opinion is that CO is the most helpful to interline staff. DL is great if you are a DL emp
30 Purdue Arrow : On American, employees and their immediate family get unlimited travel for a small service charge (approx. half-cent per mile - SAN-JFK=$12.00). First
31 Brick : Some of my own non-revenue travel horror stories from AA: About five years ago I checked in at TUL for a flight to ORD....I was number 212 on the list
32 DL_Mech : Four destinations that buddy pass people want to go to are also four cities that nonrevs cannot get to (because of the full flights). London,Las Vegas
33 Tritanic : DL mech, as far as LAS the last flight from ATL at 11:50pm departure is almost a guarentee, and as far as the return. Take your choice at any of the r
34 Purdue Arrow : My bst non-rev stories... My longest trip ever: 36 hours from start to finish Returning home from a spring break trip in high school, I flew Hartford,
35 Wishihadalife : Some of my more creative non-rev routings have been ORD-DSM-MKE-MSN-LSE-MSP-ORD on UA/AA/NW(supposed to be a day-trip to MSN to meet friends for lunch
36 Post contains links FLY777UAL : "Non-reving can be the easiest thing in the world to do--if you play your cards right." "Follow these easy steps to Summer travel, and you will lead a
37 Akelley728 : Okay, if you are an airline employee (or immediate fam member) and don't want to (or absolutely cannot) go through the hassle of a non-rev ticket or a
38 Brick : Nope. If you want a guaranteed seat, you have to pay the full fare just like everyone else. The airline is out to make money. If it's going to guarant
39 Purdue Arrow : At American, they offer a fare called the ID-20, which is available to anyone who is eligible for D-2 travel. The ID-20 is a 20% discount off of any p
40 DL_Mech : Delta started a program about a year ago that allows employees to buy regular tickets on Delta for a 20% discount. The catch is, you can only get 20%
41 Oozabooza : Can you non-rev with an airline's partner or is it within company only?
42 Balloonatic : I don't know about total non revenue i.e. FOC, but you can certainly travel on a rebated basis. ID90,ID75 or ID50 which is bookable. ID90 & ID75 (%) t
43 Jrlander : In response to an earlier post, Delta employees receive a certain number of free travel days from their start date. My friend has worked for Tech Ops
44 Johnboy : And to think that I had such awe for you people! Now that I know you're flying for next to nothing, it takes away some of the respect!
45 Amir : The term Non-Rev. Means that the involved Ticket or rather the flight coupons will not be calculated into the flown revenue of the involved airline or
46 Post contains images Teahan : On SR you get 2 ID100's an year! Thye can be used in business class! A GVA-ZRH-EWR-LAX-HNL-OGG-SFO-ATL-ZRH-GVA only cost 215 Swiss Francs in Business
47 Peter : On Delta, it is absolutly free in any class, including Business elite! The hardest part is just finding an open seat. Also, we can fly on Air France f
48 NWA Man : I got out to HNL just fine, but I followed a non-rev rule not mentioned as of yet. The number one rule is...Always fly on holidays! It's pretty much a
49 Timobear : I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT AS A UAL EMPLOYEE OR "NON REV" I MUST CORRECT THE STATEMENT ABOUT NON REVS RECIEVING 5 OR 10% OFF A TICKET PRICE. A TRUER STATEM
50 Post contains images XQF : Having travel benefits is great, but it does make you do some crazy things!! The stupidist thing i think i did was that when i was working for Qantas
51 Post contains images BritAir : Some advice for successful Standby Travel...... 1. Dress well (you never know when you could get upgraded - i tie never goes astray and you can always
52 Post contains images BritAir : Adding to my "rules of standby travel"..... 8. don't get caught up checking loads - i have gotten on flights that were minus 60 and ive been bumped of
53 Peter : I agree with: DL_Mech that it is very hard to get to Las Vegas. I disagree with London. Last August, I flew non rev on Delta from Atlanta to London in
54 DL_Mech : I still stand by my statement that it is difficult to get to LGW. Yes, some nonrevs do get on, but usually only employees with several years of servic
55 Purdue Arrow : Travel to Europe in the summer is hard enough that American has a D-3 (buddy passes, not applicable to employees or family) embargo on all European de
56 Koopas : Can somebody who works for American tell me why it is so hard to nonrev to SEA??? I guess you can get there through San Jose...
57 Post contains images Bruce : Ok, it is illegal to sell a non-rev pass. But they allow "buddies". So is anyone going to Ft. Lauderdale and needs a flying buddy? just email me......
58 DFW-JETS : AA managers at DFW that Ive spoken with recently have stated that Aa is re-examining the whole pass travel program. They stated that things are gettin
59 Post contains images NKP S2 : Ah yes,non-revenue travel. I'll break my own personal protocol and refer to cliche': When it's good--it is VERY good...and when it is bad...well... I
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