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TG's A340-600's And Their Reliability  
User currently offlineIndustrybuff From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2003, 347 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Hi All

Ive heard that TG are having some issues with their A340-600's, I suspect teething tech problems ? Any news on this ...

Im due to travel ex MEL to BKK tomorrow on Aan A346 and Im really looking forward to it ........

Cheers

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

I know that they are having some problems with the A340-500 beacuse the A340-600 has flown the BKK-JFK route with a stop in KIX.


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User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

Quoting Industrybuff (Thread starter):
Ive heard that TG are having some issues with their A340-600's, I suspect teething tech problems ?

Integrating a new type is always a dodgy time. I have often wondered though how some airlines do very well and others go through the wringer! Now I do not know for sure (maybe someone on A.net can enlighten us) but it seems to me that Lufthansa's A346 integration went smoothly. What is often attributed to the aircraft is sometimes really the airlines unfamiliarity with the new type. Some airlines like Lufthansa (and many others) really spend a lot of time, money and effort preparing their flight crews, maintenance and engineering for the new type.
Without adequate training, a simple tech snag can ground an aircraft if your people haven't a clue how to fix it, or if you do not have spares. I am not suggesting that this is the case with TG (in fact I doubt it) but it can take awhile to get all your people up to snuff especially in the outstations.

GU



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8738 times:

TG are normally quite thorough so I'm a little surprised by this all. I did hear about some issues with the 500 not the 600 though.

YOWza



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

"I heard a roumor that bla bla bla"........

Are we going this path again? Source, thx!

Micke//SE  Yeah sure  zzz 



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8173 times:

TG has been operating the A346 on BKK-MEL vv since 1 AUG.
During this month the flight has been cancelled twice.
I don't know the reasons for it [perhaps light loads], but to assume that its because its a new aircraft type is stretching it a little...


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

I can only imagine the teething problems airlines will have when the 380 goes online.


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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 6):
I can only imagine the teething problems airlines will have when the 380 goes online.

yap but I don't think that those problems will be so big like UA had when the 777 was put in service


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5574 times:
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ooooh this thread is turning NASTY!

Lets compare dispatch reliability of the 777 vs. the whole A340 line, shall we?

Last time I checked the A340 was a dog compared to the 777, anyone have the dispatch numbers handy?


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5500 times:
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So it seems that A340 numbers are hard to come by  Wink

But using Flight International as a source we can see that Virgin failed to maintain even a 98.5% dispacth rate on their A346 fleet in the first year of Ops, while the 773ER (with a lot more aircraft) achieved a rate of 99.2%

So, lets say Virgin achieved 98% with the A346 (doubtful sounds much lower) the Airbus is 3 times more likely to 'go tech' than the Boieng 773ER.

Facts don't lie  Smile

Sources:

http://www.flightinternational.com/A.../06/14/199069/Distant+Rivalry.html
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...5/05/03/197483/The+long+hello.html


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 6):
I can only imagine the teething problems airlines will have when the 380 goes online.

That must of taken you a whole five minutes to think up. You pick on the 380 but no mention of the 787, is that an anti European thing or something. Can't we build planes?

But I suppose as the 787 is going to cure cancer, destroy poverty and bring world peace, oh yeah and be the greatest aircraft ever built it will have no tech problems at all.  banghead 



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5353 times:
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if anything the 787 will prob. have even more problems than the A380, at least from what we know about both planes...Boeing is trying quite afew new things with the '87, hopefully it will all pan out  Smile

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Virgin Atlantic CEO Steve Ridgway on the A340-600, AirInternational, May 2005.



"The A340-600s have a phenomenal performance, particularly on some of our longer sectors, and they have fantastic cargo uplift, which is particularly useful on many of the market that we fly to-in particular Shanghai, Hong Kong and Johannesburg. In terms of our business, cargo accounts for some 10% of the company turnover."

And Yes, Boeing tried hard to make them buy the 777-300ER. Get over it.

http://picavia.foxalpha.com/photos/0104/002542.jpg


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2626 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Well that useless bit of predictable PR tells us about its performance.
Your pretty pictures do not make the argument of reliability any less valid

This article shows use things ar enot as rosey as Airbus Cheerleaders here want to beleive:
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...5/05/03/197483/The+long+hello.html

[Edited 2005-08-30 22:31:08]


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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 14):
This article shows use things ar enot as rosey as Airbus Cheerleaders here want to beleive:
http://www.flightinternational.com/A....html

Well the article also shows us that the A340-500/600 is not as bad an aircraft that the Boeing fan boys would have us believe.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
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next time we have a discussion about cargo we will be sure to give you a shout...haha

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5002 times:
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Quoting GARPD (Reply 14):
as Airbus Cheerleaders here want to beleive:

What Airbus cheerleaders on this thread?

Clickhappy? Leelaw? Yourself? Hardly. And I wouldn't call Solnabo's post "cheerleading".

I'm fully expecting NAV20 to turn up in a post or two, announcing, yet again, the downfall of the House of Airbus.

 wave 

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2626 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):
What Airbus cheerleaders on this thread?

Clickhappy? Leelaw? Yourself? Hardly. And I wouldn't call Solnabo's post "cheerleading".

I'm fully expecting NAV20 to turn up in a post or two, announcing, yet again, the downfall of the House of Airbus.

wave

cheers

mariner

I meant the forum in general, and I think you knew that.



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2626 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 16):
Well the article also shows us that the A340-500/600 is not as bad an aircraft that the Boeing fan boys would have us believe.

Quite so.
Though its hardly enough to discount all issues.

I know off hand of a few issue CS and IB are having. But as I cannot link to a public source, I'm not even going to start mentioning them.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4891 times:
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Quoting GARPD (Reply 19):
I meant the forum in general, and I think you knew that.

No, I did not know that.

Nor do I see that it would apply to the forum in general.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4879 times:
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he just likes to play dumb. I've seen it in too many threads for it to be a coincidence, but that's cool, too each their own!

User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2626 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 22):
he just likes to play dumb. I've seen it in too many threads for it to be a coincidence, but that's cool, too each their own!

Oh I see, thanx for the heads up.



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 10):
But using Flight International as a source we can see that Virgin failed to maintain even a 98.5% dispacth rate on their A346 fleet in the first year of Ops, while the 773ER (with a lot more aircraft) achieved a rate of 99.2%

Going back to what you said here, it's actually easier to have better looking stats with more aircraft in the field then less. One A340-600 goes tech puts a bigger dent into the stats of that fleet then one 773ER going tech does to that fleet. How does the saying go, lies, damned lies and statistics.

You should try reading the articles you post, try this quote from the FI article from Cathay's head of engineering. You should also take some maths lessons.  Wink

Cridland declines to provide the fleet's dispatch reliability, saying with such a small fleet this figure can be skewed.



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2626 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 24):
Going back to what you said here, it's actually easier to have better looking stats with more aircraft in the field then less. One A340-600 goes tech puts a bigger dent into the stats of that fleet then one 773ER going tech does to that fleet. How does the saying go, lies, damned lies and statistics.

You should try reading the articles you post, try this quote from the FI article from Cathay's head of engineering. You should also take some maths lessons. Wink

Cridland declines to provide the fleet's dispatch reliability, saying with such a small fleet this figure can be skewed.

Nice attempt at twisting.

The reliability factor was per plane for the VS comments.

Clearly, per plane the a346 has had a lackluster realiability factor. Not all down to Airbus though. The RR Trent has had its fare share of teething issues.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4824 times:
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Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 22):
he just likes to play dumb.

Much as I am flattered that you bother to read so many posts of mine, I simply respond to what others write.

I do not assume, as you have just assumed.

But I do wonder why so many here feel the need to make it personal.

cheers

mariner



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25 Post contains images Gman94 : Er no it's not a lie or a twist, it's basic maths, you should try it. I don't really give a toss about you Boeing fan boys having a pop at Airbus, I
26 Post contains images GARPD : I'm not a Boeing boy I'm very proud of Rolls Royce. They've built some of the worlds most reliable and/ore famour engines. Merlin, RB211, Conways,, e
27 Post contains images Clickhappy : the posts I read of yours are the ones where our paths cross, and I smell a trend. No worries, its who you are. I was using VS fleet numbers, not CX.
28 GARPD : You are about to be pounced upon from a great height for that.
29 Clickhappy : Why, because the numbers come from Boeing? Thats fine, lets throw out all numbers supplied by Boeing and Airbus...show me one article, ANYWHERE, that
30 Post contains images Gman94 : Yeah but the 777 doesn't looks as good.
31 Post contains images Mariner : Um - hate to say this - but I think he was being ironic. At least, I assumed he was. cheers mariner
32 RedChili : Ah! So that was the reason for the AF A340 crash! It was kicked by a 777! Now, let's have some real conspiracy theories here that Boeing has been beh
33 GARPD : No no you misunderstand I meant that some Airbus fany boy would pounce on you for using a chart "From Boeing" the using bias, spin, twist etc excused
34 Clickhappy : When faced with facts that dont support your arguement, revert to insults. No worries, the 777 is still the superior aircraft. And the A340 is going t
35 Leskova : While entertaining, does anyone currently actually remember what this thread is about? Just to remind you - it's not about the B777's dispatch reliabi
36 WhiteHatter : I don't suppose we heard any of this cheerleading when TG had major problems with their new 777 aircraft and were even threatening cancellation....or
37 Mariner : Who are you addressing? Who reverted to insults? Certainly not GARPD, as he pointed out. And I was trying to be helpful. It may very well be. What do
38 PA110 : Oh please! Spare us the hyperbole. Both sides share the blame equally. Both sides are far too defensive, and overreact to any statements the other si
39 Post contains images Clickhappy : Mariner Sadly I am unable to speak my mind due to my status as crew. Last time I did so you complained to Johan and I got slapped around. Have a nice
40 TheSonntag : I suggest deletion of this threat. We all know that a) Airbus is Crap b) 777 and 787 are the most modern airliners of the world c) the A340 is crap d)
41 Mariner : Whoa - I have no memory of complaining to Johann about you. The only time I have written to Johan is about my financial status. I then questioned the
42 Post contains images Checkraiser : You forgot to mention that Airbus receives illegal subsidies.
43 Post contains images GARPD : Oi vey! ....
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