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Qatar Airways Plans Flights To Brazil  
User currently offlinePPSMA From Brazil, joined Aug 2005, 157 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

This may sound weird to some, but QATAR Airways will soon begin interviewing for cabin crew in many countries including Brazil. Here´s what I found in their website:


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Qatar Airways Cabin Crew Has Been Voted Best In The Middle East In 2003, 2004 And 2005 By Skytrax

Cabin Crew Interviews To Take Place Soon In The Following Destinations:

Johannesburg United Arab Emirates
China Brazil
Pakistan Argentina
Thailand Nepal
Kuala Lumpur Oman
Singapore Turkey
Bangladesh Bulgaria
Colombo Germany
Mumbai Lebanon
Nairobi Egypt


I had heard that after our brilliant President had returned from one of his endless trips to the Middle East early this year one middle-eastern airline had showed interest in opening up air links between Brazil and its country - I´m not sure whether it was Etihad or Emirates.

However, I´m sure that those involved in aviation for more than xx years will confirm, this has happened before (setting up air links between Brazil and the Middle East). Remember Royal Air Maroc? They launched a Rio-Casablanca flight on a B747SP, but the venture did not last long. Vasp also tried to dig a new market niche when they flew from Brazil to ATH for a couple of years, with a technical stop in Casablanca.

It is said that Brazil, with a relatively large arabic community living in the southern region, would guarantee a profitable operation, to which I disagree.

Still, it might be interesting to see QATAR´s real intentions and whether they´re just `testing the water` by announcing it via their web site.

Any inputs?


Safe trip!


Aviation is my thing!
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):

It is said that Brazil, with a relatively large arabic community living in the southern region, would guarantee a profitable operation, to which I disagree.

So do I. Brazil's large Arabic community comes from the Mediteranean Coast, mainly Lebanon. Flying GRU-DOH-BEY isn't really the easiest way to get to there.



a.
User currently offlineKesflyer From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

They seem to have put MELBOURNE on hold as a new destination and instead turned their attention to Brazil and Argentina ??

MEL makes more sense as they would pick up passengers heading to / from Europe as well as Lebanese migrants in OZ as is the case with EK and GF (SYD).

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Flying GRU-DOH-BEY isn't really the easiest way to get to there.

Depends on the price. Sure it would take atleast another three hours or so backtracking from DOH to BEY, however at the right price it would work for many price sensitive travellers. However is there really such a big demand for O&D flights from Brazil to DOHA ??


User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

The VP flight to Athens was conveniently timed to coincide with ME departure to BEY. When the VP flight was operating , there was always some connecting passengers.

QR could easily combine a DOH-ABJ-GRU-EZE, DOH-LOS-GRU-EZE or even (if I dare) DOH-ACC-GRU-EZE.

At DOH, convenient connection to CAI,AMM,DAM and BEY as well as Gulf-Middle East destinations . Let us not forget that Brazil, Argentina (despite its economical woes) and Chile are the leading economies in South America and we may notice important development in civil aviation (as far as traffic is concerned) in the coming years.


User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

QR is reccruiting staff in many places on this planet. That does not mean, that they will fly to all those places. In order to keep a healthy balance of different nationalities on board, the simply spread their recruitment dirve all over the globe. Having mulitcultural & multilingual staff is very important, especially in a global industry like an airline.


.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
It is said that Brazil, with a relatively large arabic community living in the southern region, would guarantee a profitable operation, to which I disagree

Brazil's arab community is huge, but it is mainly restricted to Lebanese and Syrians. There are more Lebanese and Syrians living in Brazil than in these countries!

Quoting AirMale (Reply 4):
QR is reccruiting staff in many places on this planet. That does not mean, that they will fly to all those places

Correct. For example: Etihat wet-leased TAM A330s, and this included TAM pilots and cabin crew, but they never operated to Brazil.

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
Remember Royal Air Maroc?

Remember MEA? MEA also operated BEY-GRU with a stop-over in ABJ.

Currently MEA and TAM have an operational agreement offering GRU-CDG (TAM)/CDG-BEY (MEA).

EMIRATES: In reality, if Brazil has a direct link to the Middle East it will be made by Emirates. EK has stated several times that they plan DXB-GRU nonstop and they even mentioned DXB-GIG-EZE. It would not only capture connecting pax to the Middle Eastern region, but also to Asia, especially India and Southern Asia.

Rgs,


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6913 times:

PPSMA,
You're mistaken with two different information, which apparently match, but have no relationship:

FIRST: cabin recruitment around the world is quite usual among carriers in the Gulf, as they can't depend upon their native population to fulfill this job. Emirates employs lots of Estonians and Yugoslavians and don't even fly there.

SECOND: our (senseless) Brazilian president officially encourages flights to every country he visits, if they aren't currently offered. Ghana, China, Lebanon, India, the UAE and Mozambique are a few examples, but no airline is likely to try any of those routes any soon to lose money (except EMIRATES, who can notably afford it successfully).

So, under your info, Qatar doesn't plan flights to Brazil.

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
one of his endless trips to the Middle East

He went to Middle East / North Africa only once!

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
EK has stated several times that they plan DXB-GRU nonstop

Some say that EK is in aircraft shortage, with high loads, facing trade-off in their routes plans, and postponing new services. I believe this is the reason they haven't started yet flights to Brazil. As soon as they have available aircraft, we'll see them landing down here.  twocents 

[Dreaming]... However, it would be nice to see DOH-BEY-GRU!!!



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineIB787 From Spain, joined Jun 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6888 times:

I know Qatar was hiring people here in Madrid 6 months ago and they were planning a 3/w MAD-FCO-DOH, does somebody know what happened to that flight?

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 2):
MEL makes more sense as they would pick up passengers heading to / from Europe as well as Lebanese migrants in OZ as is the case with EK and GF (SYD).

This is why...

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
It would not only capture connecting pax to the Middle Eastern region, but also to Asia, especially India and Southern Asia.

China, BKK, SIN...

It doesn't make utter non-sense to me, but I agree that Emirates is more likely than Qatar.

Cheers



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

IB787: QR has not received the slot's it requested for MAD....... it seems that somebody is not very keen on welcoming QR in MAD.


.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

hey fellas, and what about those EK talks to fly to GIG ana EZE, with up to 14 weekly flitghs???
Are they still waiting the A-380 to be delivered so they could do this???

on my account, pointless to have a Brasil-Midle East direct flight.
unless you rely on cargo, not much pax traffic, and as a Arab decendent, I can say, not that many people go back and forth between to justify such a flitgh.
But if you think about cargo, then it´s a hole new thing, with Brasil selling lot´s and lot´s of stuff to the Arabs.

ps. Brasil is the nº1 chicken producer country in the planet.



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User currently offlineIB787 From Spain, joined Jun 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting AirMale (Reply 9):
QR has not received the slot's it requested for MAD....... it seems that somebody is not very keen on welcoming QR in MAD.

It's really dificult to get slots in MAD, next winter, when the new T4 and the 3rd and 4th runways will be opened, may be QR will get those slots.


User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
they flew from Brazil to ATH for a couple of years, with a technical stop in Casablanca

They used the MD-11s on that flight and it´s capable of completing the journey nonstop, both ways. In late 1996 me and my older son took that flight, GIG-GRU-ATH, and it was only 11 1/2 hours long (the second segment, not the entire flight). And on the way back it took 13 hours, and was also nonstop ATH-GRU.

TP727


User currently offlinePPSMA From Brazil, joined Aug 2005, 157 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Well fellas, I see it picking up and I like it !!!

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Brasuca
Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
one of his endless trips to the Middle East

He went to Middle East / North Africa only once!

You´re right. Perceptions, my friend, are what count though and this guy has made the most nonsense trips I could ever imagine a president would do!

Quote:
AirMale
QR is recruiting staff in many places on this planet. That does not mean, that they will fly to all those places. In order to keep a healthy balance of different nationalities on board, the simply spread their recruitment drive all over the globe. Having multicultural & multilingual staff is very important, especially in a global industry like an airline.

Dear friend, I couldn´t agree more with your statement that having multicutural and multilingual staff is a way of showing off and conveying the idea that this and that airline is truly INTERNATIONAL. However I must say that recruiting Brazilian nationals as opposed to portuguese speakers is a totally different ball game. ALL European, North American and Asian airlines flying to BRAZIL hired Brazilians rather than Portuguese nationals (they either did it from the beginning or after they realized the cultural differences between the two nationalities). Having said that, I agree that they´re not necessarily planning a new flight to Brazil but where there´s smoke...

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Hardiwv
Brazil's arab community is huge, but it is mainly restricted to Lebanese and Syrians. There are more Lebanese and Syrians living in Brazil than in these countries!

Is it good or bad? Nevertheless, things to consider are:

1) there´s a strong arabic traffic between Brazil and the Middle East , both leisure and business, and that´s not limited to Syria and Lebanon. Petrobras, Odebrecht and some other local companies have long-term business contracts signed with Iraq, Iran, etc.

2) O&D traffic is only PART of the game. Let´s not forget that airlines such as Emirates, with such a comprehensive network, offer lots of destinations to be explored. Thus I very much agree with PPVRA and Hardiwv when they say

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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
It would not only capture connecting pax to the Middle Eastern region, but also to Asia, especially India and Southern Asia.

China, BKK, SIN...

It doesn't make utter non-sense to me, but I agree that Emirates is more likely than Qatar.

.

Before I take my leave I would also risk say that Emirates or whoever decides to do it might consider a Combi aircraft for the route!

Saludos/ Regards/ Abraços/ Cheers, etc etc



Aviation is my thing!
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Quoting PPSMA (Reply 13):
Quote:
AirMale
QR is recruiting staff in many places on this planet. That does not mean, that they will fly to all those places. In order to keep a healthy balance of different nationalities on board, the simply spread their recruitment drive all over the globe. Having multicultural & multilingual staff is very important, especially in a global industry like an airline.

Dear friend, I couldn�t agree more with your statement that having multicutural and multilingual staff is a way of showing off and conveying the idea that this and that airline is truly INTERNATIONAL. However I must say that recruiting Brazilian nationals as opposed to portuguese speakers is a totally different ball game. ALL European, North American and Asian airlines flying to BRAZIL hired Brazilians rather than Portuguese nationals (they either did it from the beginning or after they realized the cultural differences between the two nationalities). Having said that, I agree that they�re not necessarily planning a new flight to Brazil but where there�s smoke...

One more point:

I've heard countless of times that Asian airlines hire foreign pilots, including Brazilian pilots. An RG pilot I know got offers to fly for KE (he refused), and I heard that many other airlines hire pilots here also. So if that extents into the rest to the rest of the crew and to middle eastern cariers, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Cheers



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6465 times:
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Quoting PPSMA (Reply 13):
Is it good or bad? Nevertheless, things to consider are:

1) there´s a strong arabic traffic between Brazil and the Middle East , both leisure and business, and that´s not limited to Syria and Lebanon. Petrobras, Odebrecht and some other local companies have long-term business contracts signed with Iraq, Iran, etc.

Theres not only those corporates. Sadia, Avipal (chicken) and other food companies could take advantage of the flight. Also there are some Oil related companies from Rio that could improve their relationship with middle east. Thats why a flight from EK to GIG and EZE seems to be perfect. Also it will allow connections to Asia and probably better than SAA. Asia is a market that needs improvements from Brazil and due to the distance, the high quality and brand of Emirates could be the difference.

Rgds,
Felipe



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