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KL To SFO With 763ER In Nov!  
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3920 times:

Starting from november it appears that KLM will operate flights to SFO
with the 763ER! (not all flights offcourse).
Two questions
1. Is it the first time that KL deploys such small equipment to SFO.
2. It's an 11hrs plus flight, is that within the 763ER's range??

I thought that the AMS-IAH flight was very close to the range limit but this
leg is even longer.

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User currently offlineEddieGunsmoke From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3881 times:

I flew CDG-SFO on an AF 767 back in 96, and it was a 12 hour flight I think. Can anybody tell me what model of the 767 I most likely was on?

[Edited 2005-08-31 13:08:27]

[Edited 2005-08-31 13:09:02]

User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 3841 times:

KLM uses the 763's to YVR, so to SFO shouldn't be that much further.
And if they schedule an aircraft for a certain route, one might assume they will have figured out whether that aircraft can fly the route  cheeky 

IM


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Thread starter):
It's an 11hrs plus flight, is that within the 763ER's range??

United flies SFO-CDG with the 763ER, no reason KLM shouldn't be able to fly to AMS with one.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

There is no range issue. Aeroflop flew SFO-SVO which has to be another 1 1/2 longer. The 763 does has some legs on it!

Looks like winter schedule is
MD11- except Mo/We
763 - on Mo/We

Nice spotting!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

Is SVO really longer from SFO? Seems that on the polar route it is closer. I'll have to pull out my trusty globe/atlas to check it out.  Smile

User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Range should not be a major problem. AZ operated MXP-SFO with 763ERs until they discontinued that route.

Is there a special reason for the deployment of this aircraft type on the AMS-SFO route? LH's, AF's and BA's flights go out full every day so I guess that this move is not related to the load factors or am I wrong here?


User currently onlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 1):
Can anybody tell me what model of the 767 I most likely was on?

I am guessing the -300. I don't think the -200 has that much range.



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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 1):
I flew CDG-SFO on an AF 767 back in 96, and it was a 12 hour flight I think. Can anybody tell me what model of the 767 I most likely was on?

I flew the same route in 1993, it was with an AF 763ER

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
I am guessing the -300. I don't think the -200 has that much range.

Actually, the -200ER's range is about 6600nm vs about 5500 nm for the 300ER. AF had at one time 2 200ER's and 7 300ER's. So probably it was a 300ER. But I don't know what routes they used the 200ER's for. I myself flew a 300ER CDG-Cayenne-CDG in 1999.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting EddieGunsmoke (Reply 1):
Can anybody tell me what model of the 767 I most likely was on?

AF operated a fleet of B767-200ER and B767-300ER inherited from UTA/Aéromaritime.

The two -200ER, F-GHGD/F-GHGE were very briefly operated (less than a year) and sold to Balkan Bulgarian airlines in 1992 (now both of them are with El AL).

1 -300ER, F-GFGK, was sold in 1996 to Sobelair. Air France kept on operating a fleet of 5 B767-300ER until 2003 (F-GFGF/G/H/I/J). The last aircraft, retired in July 2003 was used on the CDG-PHL route.

Indeed, the B767-300ER was used on the CDG-SFO-CDG route until the mid-90s during the winter programs. The route was then taken over by an A340-300.


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Indeed, KLM is downgrading its daily AMS-SFO-AMS roundtrip from the 777 to a conbination of 763ER (Monday, Wednesday) and MD-11 (K, T, F, S and Sunday)
Is the route doing bad since they have to dowgrade the service?
Regards,
Adam



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Not doing bad, more than likely just a seasonal adjustment


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Well not only did Aeroflot fly the 763 to SVO... but it was also from LAX. the SFO route was a 777 via SEA. LAX-SVO is 6078 miles, SFO-AMS is 5473 miles...

'902



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
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Does this have anything to do with the recent reduction of 763ER service to IAH in favor of PrivatAir BBJ service?

-Charlie


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

If that's the case, I for sure will choose to fly NW to AMS via DTW. 2 inch more pitch on the A330, a chance of an upgrade to First class is a lot better than being cramped into a seat with 31 inch for 11 hours without the great IFE of the B777 that's currently flying the route.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Thread starter):
It's an 11hrs plus flight, is that within the 763ER's range??

I'm sorry, but that is a dumb question: if the AMS-SFO was not within the range of the 763, why on earth would KL people - who probably know far more than any of us - deploy it on the route? Jesus. Think, people.



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