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DL To Start JFK-AUS/SAT With E170s  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6668 times:
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DL will start twice-daily JFK-AUS and once daily JFK-SAT services with Shuttle America Embraer 170 aircraft.

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/050831/84872.html

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Interesting ... wonder if they're trying to get a head start on B6?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Huh?!? Now that really surprises me. Okay, E70 expansion out of JFK could have been expected, but to SAT and AUS? Ah well, no JB on these routes yet, smart move, hope it works out for DL. Still waiting for E70 JFK-MIA though.

[Edited 2005-08-31 16:55:33]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

This is not a coincidence. AUS and SAT are the first two new markets jetBlue was planning on launching from JFK this spring. Delta gets a leg up.

I'm still waiting for that MIA-JFK flight too, DL767400ER. I've been hearing it may launch in December, also to one-up jetBlue.

[Edited 2005-08-31 16:59:32]


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Edit: Looking at the times, the schedule allows for one more roundtrip from JFK, with the plane RONing at the outstation, so we might soon see one more flight announce (or more for that matter).

I also looked at it and think that the 2 E170's needed to fly these routings are used up. One flies from 9:20am until 10:00pm and the other from 7:00am until 9:10pm. The AUS layover is about 10 hours overnight and the JFK one is about 12 hours...


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
This is not a coincidence. AUS and SAT are the first two new markets jetBlue was planning on launching from JFK this spring.

Those obviously must be for the E90's to fly. Definitely not a 320 route.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I'm still waiting for that MIA-JFK flight too, DL767400ER. I've been hearing it may launch in December, also to one-up jetBlue.

Now let's see who will launch JFK-MIA first and American's response to it. I think they are adding a 7th flight this winter, thought I'm not positive.

LUV4JFK
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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

Anyone think that RIC will get atleast one flight a day to JFK? All we have is to La Guardia it kind of pisses me off that I can't make most of my connections (Europe, West coast, etc.).


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

PVD could really use a JFK or 2 for some international connections...

DL or AA would be my pick (50 or 37 seaters would be perfect)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 5):
Now let's see who will launch JFK-MIA first and American's response to it. I think they are adding a 7th flight this winter, thought I'm not positive.

They added a seasonal summer service with a 763 this year.

MIA-JFK really isn't a cash cow for AA, outside of the interantional connections. Using mainly A300s, it allows AA to dump cheap capacity in a dense market. The money is on MIA-EWR/LGA.



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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

I'm convinced that this announcement by DL will not stop B6 from starting JFK-AUS/SAT at some point in the not too distant future. The arrival time of the SAT-JFK flight (1810) misconnects to most Europe-bound departures. And the 0920 departure ex-JFK to SAT will have little/no upline connecting flights. This seems geared primarily towards the local market.

It's good that AUS and SAT are getting some attention (that they rightly deserve). Both markets will continue to grow and do well.

On a brighter note, the Embraer 170 is a great aircraft, and is ideally suited to routes like JFK-SAT and JFK-AUS. It will be a good option for local travellers; it just won't offer much in terms of new connect opportunities beyond JFK.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 9):
I'm convinced that this announcement by DL will not stop B6 from starting JFK-AUS/SAT at some point in the not too distant future.

Who said they would  Wink ?

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4):
I also looked at it and think that the 2 E170's needed to fly these routings are used up. One flies from 9:20am until 10:00pm and the other from 7:00am until 9:10pm. The AUS layover is about 10 hours overnight and the JFK one is about 12 hours...

Realised that too after looking at the schedules a second time. At first I read that the flight would RON at JFK for some 17 hours. Guess I need better glasses  Silly .


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6392 times:
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Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 9):
The arrival time of the SAT-JFK flight (1810) misconnects to most Europe-bound departures

Actually, the number of connections are not too shabby still:
NCE, VCE, FRA, CDG, MAD, BRU, and MXP. The JFK-AUS flight departing at 1840 would be suitable for inbound connections as well. But you're right, in general, these aren't timed for international connections are more focused on O&D traffic.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

The E70 will also be going to another destination served from JFK.


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

Always nice to see more DL outta JFK!

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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Perhaps DL might re-instate DFW - JFK with the E170. I would think this would be successful with a more comfortable and efficient aircraft than the CR7. The first class cabin may help with high yield international traffic.


Go Delta!
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
Realised that too after looking at the schedules a second time. At first I read that the flight would RON at JFK for some 17 hours. Guess I need better glasses

Although a 9:40pm flight JFK-PVD and a 7:00am PVD-JFK wouls work for me (as well as the E70 that RONs in JFK...  Wink


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Although, now that I've checked it, that same schedule would proabably work for JFK-BOS-JFK  Sad

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13263 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6113 times:
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Quoting Ssides (Reply 1):
Interesting ... wonder if they're trying to get a head start on B6?



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
This is not a coincidence. AUS and SAT are the first two new markets jetBlue was planning on launching from JFK this spring. Delta gets a leg up.

Wow! DL is getting aggressive versus B6. The first E-jet vs. E-jet battle.  box 

If the routes are profitable for DL, I'm all for competition. But when will DL get high enough aircraft utilization to be cost competitive? In other words, I hope the times shown for the E70 RON's at JFK prove to be inaccurate.

I've yet to hear a plan out of DL where they are break even. Right now its lose money on every flight, but make it up in volume!  flamed  My first flights were all on DL; it saddens me to see them managed so poorly.  cry 

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 17):

If the routes are profitable for DL, I'm all for competition. But when will DL get high enough aircraft utilization to be cost competitive? In other words, I hope the times shown for the E70 RON's at JFK prove to be inaccurate.

There will be a daily JFK-CMH E70 flight that rotates these planes in and out.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 7):
PVD could really use a JFK or 2 for some international connections...

No offence but I think that if DL Connection would do a New England-JFK run the launch route would probably be BDL as they have a large presence there already having all of the DL brands sexept Shuttle operating there, and because PVD is so close to BOS, you could hike up there to get a flight to more international destinations than BDL. Just my twocents , but they could be slightly bias.

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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Quote:
There will be a daily JFK-CMH E70 flight that rotates these planes in and out.

I had a feeling that Republic would end up routing an E70 in such a way, otherwise where would the aircraft come from? It doesn't look like they have been uploaded into Delta's schedule yet however. Two questions too: will the JFK-CMH E70 flight be in addition to the current ERJ-145 that is flown on the route, or will it replace it? Also, for further E70 expansion from JFK, could we see Delta opting to place an E70 between IND and JFK, replacing the current Comair CRJ?


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 17):
I've yet to hear a plan out of DL where they are break even. Right now its lose money on every flight, but make it up in volume! My first flights were all on DL; it saddens me to see them managed so poorly.

Me too, I did like Delta but now I turned to B6 because even though my first flights were on DL to Florida, it was deadly boring and well after that I experienced jetBlue and well you can map out the rest (lol).

Anyway smart move on DL's part to jump in on suspected markets for B6. B6 should really not give any hints to where they might go next, it is basically telling competitors what their plan is. So if the new flights are profitable then B6 will probably jump on that route, and if not then they won't waste their time.

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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

What amazes me is that DFW still doesn't have JFK service from DL.

You would think with the former hub there, they could fill up a jet or two a day.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 22):
What amazes me is that DFW still doesn't have JFK service from DL.

Surprises me as well, though DFW can now claim to be the only domestic airport served by DL that doesn't get any RJs Big grin . I also wonder why DL hasn't added JFK-IAH back either. Okay, you have CO on that route, but still would be a good addition.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):
I also wonder why DL hasn't added JFK-IAH back either. Okay, you have CO on that route

With 6 whopping flights per WEEK, all on 737-500 equipment, the smallest mainline plane Continental has? Just a small hunch that it isn't Continental that is keeping Delta off JFK-IAH, rather, it's something else...



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25 Skywatch : DL, B6.....bring 'em all! I can't wait to see a nice ERJ170 flying into AUS! I would also like to see some Jetblue here! This is new news for me. I li
26 JBLUA320 : Texas is supposed to be one of the first E190 destinations for jetBlue so I guess we'll just have to wait it out for a bit and see where they go... JB
27 N77014 : Firstly, these Texas cities are outside the 1000 mile perimeter for LGA flights. They are 'hubbusters' allowing profitable revenue nonstop service by
28 Brons2 : Thanks for the information. I had done a search for fares from AUS to SVO and some of the return flights routed me through JFK and on to AUS on Shuttl
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