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BMI Make Sensible Decision: EDI-MUC 2 X Daily  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Starting next March, BMI will operate 2 Daily EDI-MUC flights, operated by ERJ145 a/c.
Now available to book on the bmi website.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Is EDI just a ERJ airport for Bmi?

I take it they currently operate 1 daily EDI-MUC flight?

Do Bmi codeshare on all flights to Germany with LH?

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
I take it they currently operate 1 daily EDI-MUC flight?

No, they don´t.

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Do Bmi codeshare on all flights to Germany with LH?

On many flights they do, not sureif on all.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Hmm. Yes this is a good new route, though I have yet to see timings and fares, I imagine that given the ER4 equipment, the fares will be targeted at the high yield business market.

Where does this sit with BMI New Mainline Strategy though? Seems like yet another anomaly to the network.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineEDDM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

 bigthumbsup 

Wasn't BA serving this route once? What happened to that flight?


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Questions have to be asked over BAA's policy of diverting airlines to EDI, rather than GLA.
A GLA-MUC flight would have been much better due to the current non-availability of German flights froM GLA.



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Is this BMI regional and therefore complimentary food/drink or will it be no-frills, buy from our tuck shop? At least with the 145, carrying 2 cabin staff all passengers will get served!

User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Since has been rumoured for a long time now, good to see it finally happen.
2x daily during the week, no flights on a Saturday and one flight on a Sunday. Will these flights require another based aircraft at EDI?

06:55 10:20 BD684
11:00 12:25 BD685

16:05 19:30 BD686
20:15 21:30 BD687

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Questions have to be asked over BAA's policy of diverting airlines to EDI, rather than GLA.
A GLA-MUC flight would have been much better due to the current non-availability of German flights froM GLA.

Oh dear, it started so well too.  Yeah sure

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
Is this BMI regional and therefore complimentary food/drink or will it be no-frills, buy from our tuck shop? At least with the 145, carrying 2 cabin staff all passengers will get served!

Still complimentary.


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
Hmm. Yes this is a good new route, though I have yet to see timings and fares, I imagine that given the ER4 equipment, the fares will be targeted at the high yield business market.

Fares look to start from £65. Big grin


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Have to echo ScottishLaddie. Lets keep it clean.

For your info, BMI will have secured a decent pro-rate from LH for the MUC connecting traffic. Without this deal then there is no way BMI would have operated this service.

The sector is very long for a regional jet, but the yields are no more than that lifted out of BHX or MAN. Someone has to make the route worthwhile to fly the extra distance.

There will also be some Scottish Enterprise cash behind this, so they seem happy to fork out support for it.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Great route Bmi. What routes will be dropped in favour of this route though?


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Ah, finally something smart!!!

The only thing I am afraid of is that until March 2006 they'll change their mind and first sub-contract it to Turkmenistan Airines Yak40, then introduce a stopover in Oostende, and then change the schedule from connecting with the Star Alliance hub to connecting with the local railway to Garmisch-Partenkirchen. Or they completely make up their mind and withdraw it altogether before starting it.

Have they asked for regulatory permission to fly the route, do they have the slots?

This may all sound quite sarcastic, but we've seen all of these things before...

What a pity it doesn't start this autumn, I would take that flight end of September.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Just when we thought that BD were going in the right direction....

They have also announced Luton - Brussels!

These guys have finally lost it! Luton to Brussels? what are they thinking.

http://www.flybmi.com/trade/en-gb/sectionhome.aspx?p=1904&rid=755



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Hilarious! Absolutely hilarious! rotfl 


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 12):
They have also announced Luton - Brussels!

These guys have finally lost it! Luton to Brussels? what are they thinking.

Jesus! SO much for the hub and spoke we hoped for!



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

The even funnier thing is that LTN BRU will be full service, whilst LHR BRU will offer pay on board catering, (plus a business class cabin). Oh, and from Gatwick you can fly BmiBaby to teesside, economy only.

Three brand and product offerings from London equals brand confusion which equals customer confusion.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

LTN-BRU is 3x daily too. As BW mentioned above, how are BD going to serve this? Are they getting another ER4, or is there something I am missing....?


Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Seems like it will operate with a LTN based ERJ145


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

I just dont understand the thought process of the BD brigade.

They want to cut costs, so they open yet another night stop base. They bring high cost full service regional jets into the heart of low cost charter ville, yet they cant make money from high yield Heathrow. LTN BRU just isnt suitable for RJ's.

This will end up like last years failed attempts at operating from Gatwick and London City Airport. Yet again, BD find a way at losing millions more. I dispair. Is BMIR another Duo about to happen?



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 8):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
Hmm. Yes this is a good new route, though I have yet to see timings and fares, I imagine that given the ER4 equipment, the fares will be targeted at the high yield business market.

Fares look to start from £65

Just ran a Fare Display for this new route. WOuld you believe that the Flexible Economy Fare (ie refundable changeable and endorseable) on this route is a staggering £860.00 PLUS TAX. Lead in Fare is £65.00 online only, or £93.00 through your agent's GDS. And to further complicate this, BMI have loaded 27 fares for the route. WTF???

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
They want to cut costs, so they open yet another night stop base. They bring high cost full service regional jets into the heart of low cost charter ville, yet they cant make money from high yield Heathrow. LTN BRU just isnt suitable for RJ's.

Now onto the latest BD joke. The lead in fare here looks to be around £27.00 plus tax online only, or £68.00 through a GDS. The LTN fares are commonrated with the LHR fares (as LON), and thus the full Economy fare will be the same as the LHR option, at £390.00. Though for this route, as Bestwestern says, you will benefit from full service, whereas at LHR you won't.

I am in a daze....

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 12):
They have also announced Luton - Brussels!

Cornish picks himself up off the floor in shock

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 15):
The even funnier thing is that LTN BRU will be full service, whilst LHR BRU will offer pay on board catering, (plus a business class cabin).

and promptly falls off chair again



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Now TP is part of Star Alliance, would it be sensible for BD to perhaps fly LON-LIS on a codeshare with TP instead of the one flight per day LHR-MAD or LHR-ALC?

User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Either bmi regional are due more ERJ deliveries (I think they have a couple still on delayed order), or they are picking up secondhand aircraft, or something in their existing network has to give. Will they finally stop wasting their time on Aberdeen to Norwich now FlyBe are entering that market?

Luton to Brussels - I have seen it all now!


User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

BMI are nuts!

What the hell are they doing? Are they actually trying to ruin what credibility the airline has left?

Regards,
Chris


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 10):
Great route Bmi. What routes will be dropped in favour of this route though?

I'm not sure if they'll base another aircraft and maybe even do another rotation with it in the afternoon? Failing that maybe transfer the CPH route to SAS Q400s...?


25 Nijltje : LTN-BRU is a good idea if it's at a low cost, you have no LCC flying to London from BRU.
26 BestWestern : Low cost and regional Jets dont go together. Ask AirTran, or Duo or Jet Magic. £27 (+tax) and regional Jet dont go together either. EDI MUC is a per
27 Eurohub : It can if there's only one £27.00 seat on each RJ! Duo (VB) the MBO of ex-BA franchise Maersk Air operated an EDI-MUC until their demise in Spring 2
28 BY738 : In BMIs current disarray, what makes them think they will make this route work any better than Duo ?
29 Gofly : Who said they were thinking?
30 GARPD : About time. There is a very big Germany-Scotland market. A lot of soldiers posted in Germany come from the scottish regiments. Then you also have the
31 Mozart : I think the success of this route hinges a lot on connex traffic through the MUC hub. Neither Duo nor BA had that advantage.
32 Cornish : A fair point - except that MUC would be completely the wrong market for UK soldiers. The Southern part of Germany was always garrisoned by US soldier
33 GARPD : Fully aware of that... your talking to an ex attached civilian. I meant this MUC route would suite the German community well. Also, there are a lot o
34 Cornish : Ah see, what you meant. Misread into thinking that you meant soldiers would use the route...
35 Post contains images GARPD : Have edited my original reply to prevent further confusion.
36 7LBAC111 : BMI opted to stop selling their lowest 'Tiny' fares on the GDS at the same time as their BoB policy took effect. (01 August 2005) BMIBaby Tiny Fares
37 Post contains images FlyCaledonian : LTN-BRU? Think I have more chance of winning the Lotto thanpicking BD's next new route.
38 Flycro : BD have a great advantage in that they can link with Star Alliance in Scandinavia and Germany for example, it's just a pity they are incompetant and d
39 A342 : BA flies MUC-BRS-GLA on 12345-7 with an ERJ 145.
40 Post contains images ScottishLaddie : bmi's big advantage is that their passengers will be able to connect on to LH flights, aswell as the strong political and business links that are hel
41 GLAGAZ : The route should be popular, especially next Summer when I imagine lots of Scots will go to the World Cup, even if we don't qualify!! Still, its about
42 Flycro : EDI being the capital will always have strong business/political links, LH EDI-FRA service a prime example and such a popular routeing too. BD complim
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