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Katrina: Any Help Flown In From Other Countries?  
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1954 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

I was just wondering, other than the USSR flying in 2 IL76's to Baton Rouge LA, Has any other country offered to fly in help on their own large aircraft or chartered aircraft..The US always helps everyone else out whenever a natural disaster occurs...The damage is catastrophic and widespread and it is now believed that thousands are dead...

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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

As an aside, the USSR does not exist, and the US usually refuses help from other countries, especially when it comes to natural disasters. The refusal to use IL76 water bombers is a particularly egregious example...

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

So I guess aid from other countries is not being flown in.

If offered the U.S., IMO, will not take it but say thank you. I would think that at this time any help would be thankful.

If aid were to be flown in, it would not be on an AF777 or anything like that. They would be flown to a high ground airport in cargo planes and then redistributed. But many U.S. relief organizations do not accept food or clothing from other countries. Reason is simple...health and safety. They accept money so that the supplies that is truely needed can be acquired.

If another country were to send relief workers it would be odd. People would precieve it as "Why can't we take care of ourselves?"

So to close this thread...we will not see any relief flights from other countries.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Canada has offered to provide the US with whatever assistance is required, and Prime Minister Martin is scheduled to discuss the offer by phone with President Bush on Thursday. Air Canada has said it will fly aid officials with the Canadian Red Cross to the affected area, but that's probably just a single RJ or Jetz charter. Most physical aid Canada might deliver will be moved by truck, and electric utility workers will drive down in their trucks to help with the restoration of electricity as they did during the Florida hurricanes last year.

User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

I'd think France would be interested in flying in help.

(I bolded that "addition" so the censor wouldn't strike again).

I haven't heard of anyting about that, however. Sigh.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

This thread was started with the intention of talking about which aircraft are flying in from other countries to help with the Hurricane Katrina aid effort.

I have had to remove a number of off-topic replies from this thread. If you want to discuss which countries will or won't, should or shouldn't be giving aid, that is fine, but please use the Non-Aviation Forum.

Reiterating, this thread is for discussing what aircraft will fly in from other countries, not for discussing the aid effort in general. Please keep it on topic - it should be an interesting thread as the aid effort continues.

V/F



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Thread starter):
Has any other country offered to fly in help on their own large aircraft or chartered aircraft...?

That was the question that started the thread and the only question the thread poster started.

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 5):
This thread was started with the intention of talking about which aircraft are flying in from other countries to help with the Hurricane Katrina aid effort.

Ummm.... you got it wrong. This thread is solely about which countries have offered to help using large aircraft or chartered aircraft . And that question is sandwiched between two observations: The USSR [sic] will be flying in 2 large aircraft and the US always helps others [no large aircraft criteria for that observation].

I realize this is an international forum, and that not all members have a grasp of the intracacies of English grammar, so I'll point out that the only question asked related to "offers", not actually flights that are scheduled as you claim and is not restricted to large aircraft.

Knowing that the French government has been providing assistance to Louisiana public schools for the past couple of decades I naturally commented that I thought France (which has the largest aircraft of all in its backyard) might be interested.

Of course, if Crownvic does intend for this thread to be solely about large aircraft already scheduled to fly in as you claim, then perhaps he can re-write his question so that it will actually mean that.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6199 times:

Help is offered by the German Government, such as water purification plants which then would be flown in of course. i guess he Medevac plane is not needed as there seem to be no German citizens affected, at least not critically injured.

It is up to the US to accept that. IMHO, with the massive ressources a country like the US has, flying a water purification plant on an Il76 down south would be a waste of money (unless there would be empty space available on a C17 from Ramstein AB). A donation of money would be more appropriate.



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User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6144 times:

Quoting BostonGuy (Reply 4):
I'd think France would be interested in flying in help.

(I bolded that "addition" so the censor wouldn't strike again).

I haven't heard of anyting about that, however. Sigh.

Just heard on a French radio that in fact France has proposed to fly help from the French Antilles.

They are not so far from the affected area, so no need for very large planes.

But as mentioned above we have to see if this help will be accepted.



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 8):
Just heard on a French radio that in fact France has proposed to fly help from the French Antilles.

They are not so far from the affected area, so no need for very large planes.

But as mentioned above we have to see if this help will be accepted.

That is great news, and will help tremendously!


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6115 times:

Just like I said in other threads, the Dutch were and are ready to sent KDC-10's with tents, food and medications. These supplies are stocked in case of an emergency somewhere around the globe. However, the FEMA said that it was capable of handling the case on their own.

The Dutch however, will be involved after the mess has been cleaned up. We are masters in water safety management and want to help out.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6035 times:

@all US useres here - I can only recommend to accept the Dutch offer, that's the best help you can get. I'm in the Netherlands quite often and they get water from all sides and above and they do a damn good job at keeping their feet dry.


Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting BostonGuy (Reply 9):
That is great news, and will help tremendously!

And don't forget Poland !  Smile


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

I think most countries know that the USA does not ask or wait it TELLS people what they want or what they want them to do.

Apart from that I would assume the USA has everything they need to handle this disaster, what I cant understand is why was there was not water, mobile power units from the military etc being flown into areas around New Orleans BEFORE the Hurricane hit. Everyone knew this would happen if the storm hit and they knew it was a cat 4/5 storm.

Anyway, I just hope the military get in ASAP and get the idiots with guns and crap under control. Its very sad to see people just going wild because they can. Thats something Thailand, Sri Lanka, India etc did not see after their massive disaster in Dec.


User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 13):
what I cant understand is why was there was not water, mobile power units from the military etc being flown into areas around New Orleans BEFORE the Hurricane hit. Everyone knew this would happen if the storm hit and they knew it was a cat 4/5 storm.

Simple. Katrina would simply have blown it away. In addition, one cannot predict one hundred per cent, which direction a hurricane will take. It also highlights how little we can manage the forces of nature.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 14):
Simple. Katrina would simply have blown it away. In addition, one cannot predict one hundred per cent, which direction a hurricane will take. It also highlights how little we can manage the forces of nature.

This will probably be deleted as it is not aviation related but I'll keep it simple. I can't feel too sorry for these people. They had plenty of warning that a huge storm was going to hit there, give or take a few dozen miles. In regards to foreign aid, I guess an offer is always the right thing to do but does the richest country in the World really need it?


User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 13):
I cant understand is why was there was not water, mobile power units from the military etc being flown into areas around New Orleans BEFORE the Hurricane hit.

The plan in advance of the hurricane was to evacuate the entire city. Why have water, power units, etc., in place in a city that was empty?

Alas, the people who've spent years planning evacuations didn't take into account the large number of poor people who simply had no way to get out.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
This will probably be deleted as it is not aviation related but I'll keep it simple. I can't feel too sorry for these people. They had plenty of warning that a huge storm was going to hit there, give or take a few dozen miles.

How exactly were the large number of people living below the poverty line supposed to evacuate? By car? Some had no car. For those who did they frequently couldn't afford to buy enough gas to get out of the way of the hurricane. Even the Super Dome being used as a shelter was was a last minute change when it became apparent that up to 50,000 people in New Orleans didn't evacuate because they had no way to get out.

There were many who could escape and chose not to, but how exactly do you think those living in poverty were supposed to get out?

I do hope that foreign offers to fly-in relief supplies are accepted. Many countries have unique capabilities that would go a long way in quickly alleviating the worst conditions.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

It's not that much in the "help flown in" category, but my guess is that very soon TA will be flying A320/A321 to an airport in the MSY area to offer transportation for those displaced centralamerican nationals who which to return to Centralamerica.


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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

The President's spokesman said today that assistance from abroad had been offered and would be gratefully accepted. FLOWN in and otherwise, I imagine.

This thread should be deleted anyway. It can't go anywhere but downhill.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Well 707, that's great news and very surprising indeed. And you are wrong, since it couldn't get good from the get go, since some national pride issues, that are totally ridiculous were to come up (and in fact already did in the thread starter).
Some people just think that the US is the best at everything, which is clearly false. And what would have been a good idea, since New Orleans is BELOW sea level, is try to find a way of at least TRYING to evacuate the poor people in advance. Sure, it wouldn't have been easy but it could have been done, even by PLANE (to keep this an aviation related post). I am sure that ALL airlines, yes even CUBANA, would have offered to help (even if it's just for PR reasons).



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting BostonGuy (Reply 16):
How exactly were the large number of people living below the poverty line supposed to evacuate? By car? Some had no car.

That is why they were offered transportation to evacuate.


User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting: Columbia107 (Reply 14):
This will probably be deleted as it is not aviation related but I'll keep it simple. I can't feel too sorry for these people. They had plenty of warning that a huge storm was going to hit there, give or take a few dozen miles. In regards to foreign aid, I guess an offer is always the right thing to do but does the richest country in the World really need it?

Not to try and make something out of nothing just asking a simple question, but isn't the US not really the richest country in the world? We have HUGE debts, and again jump in point but don't we give MANY countries millions of dollars every year just to give it? I don't understand that if it's true because it seems like were paying people to (help them of course) but also to be our friends...and I would say that it's not working if that's the intention. Anyways isn't Japan technically richer than the US?
Thanks,
Brandon



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User currently offlineLijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4666 times:
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I know that FEMA does not want help right now from us Dutch and claims that they have everything under control (!).

What do they need:
They need oil! And lots of it before the whole rescue/recovery action comes to a complete stop. What is the status of the refineries near New Orleans? They belong to the most important energy sources of the USA. Not to mention the sugar industry (also a potential fuel)?



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 13):
water, mobile power units from the military etc being flown into areas around New Orleans BEFORE the Hurricane hit

From what I heard on the news there was pre-positioned help in N.O. I'm not sure exactly what it was but we did have stuff there and the hurricane simply blew it away too.



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User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 3):

To amplify on that a bit, the Red Cross has been mentioned, but if drinking water is a problem the Army's DART (Disaster Aid Response Team) will most likely be sent.
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/Operations/DART/index_e.asp

Considering the size of their equipment, the state of the Air Forces' airlift fleet & the operational tempo, DART would most likely hitch a ride with someone else (again), either USAF or charter (IL-76 or AN-124). Road movement would not be timely enough to provide drinking water, at least not all the way from Canada.



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25 Post contains images Ushermittwoch : Maybe we will see a fast invasion of Venezuela now, since they have lots of oil and CNN conveniently listed Caracas on their table of places where you
26 Crownvic : I was primarily asking about the types of aircraft that would be flown in for relief from other countries...I did not want this to be a political boxi
27 Post contains images Desh : Virgin Flyer - your id says you are a moderater - do you really believe this discussion belongs on this website ??? Can we please take this one off ?
28 777D : Bush has done a terrible job on dealing with the aftermath of the hurricane. People are dieing, food is gone and from news reports equipment that woul
29 VV701 : Clearly the relative wealth of the USA means that financial aid is not a priority. Despite the appalling remarks of the likes of Ushermittwoch (which
30 YULWinterSkies : You guys are just pissing me off with that "size matters" thing. Poor peoples' lives are in danger and what some of you think about is the size of th
31 TheHangarCat : A WS 737-700 with Winglets left from YVR to LFT (Lafayette right?) carrying a team of Vancouver's Search and rescue team and already came back to YYC.
32 Ushermittwoch : I am just pointing out a possible scenario. As sad as it is, that has to be done and quite frankly an administration as incompetent as the current on
33 AA7573E : That must of been one hell of a flight. The USSR has not existed for almost 20 years. Well done student of history.
34 Crownvic : sorry AA7573E didnt mean to stir your student of history feathers. Lets share some creame chipped beef on toast sometime...
35 Centrair : Here is what I have been thinking. (very aviation related) If supplies is flown in from other countries I would think they will be flown into places
36 VV701 : Ushermittwoch is wrong again. The North Sea serge of 3.36m in 1953 resulted in 1,835 deaths in the Netherlands (and over 200 hear in the UK). That ser
37 Centrair : This is not directly related to the main topic here. I heard on CNN that MSY will be used for heavy lift ops. It sounds like supplies is being gathere
38 Ushermittwoch : Yeah, maybe because they learned from the past. New Orleans has been flodded before, as you should know. Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia: Dikes can b
39 PanHAM : Airports in the region that can take any aircraft up to An124s are Stennis in Miss which might be affected as well however, GPT has along runway but m
40 TGV : Even if not addressed to me, I will answer! 1) When I wrote the message I have to say that I was not aware of the size of the problem, having had onl
41 Frequentflyer : Looked at yahoo.fr 9/2 8a EST, looks like the offer of help from France via French Indies islands has not been responded to yet. (Same for the help o
42 Hjulicher : This topic is of great interest to me since I am in Russia right now, and the Russian media is covering the stories quite well in my opinion. I know t
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