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A380 At Singapore, Sydney, Dubai In November  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

F-WWOW will arrive at Sydney on Nov 16th to celebrate the 85th birthday of Qantas.Will make a stop at Singapore before.
Will arrive at Dubai for the show on Nov 20th , till 24th.

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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12078 times:

So it's going to Sydney? There had been a lot of talk that it would be coming to Brisbane rather than Sydney. I had been looking forward to seeing it. Oh well, I might have to make a trip down to Sydney.

Do you have a link to any source for this, or any more details?

V/F



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12035 times:

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
F-WWOW will arrive at Sydney on Nov 16th to celebrate the 85th birthday of Qantas.Will make a stop at Singapore before.
Will arrive at Dubai for the show on Nov 20th , till 24th.

Maybe we could expect a follow on order for some more A380 from Qantas, at its birthday party.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12011 times:

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 1):
Brisbane rather than Sydney

It should fly to MEL since this was the first airport to be ready for the 380...



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
Maybe we could expect a follow on order for some more A380 from Qantas, at its birthday party.

They may announce the 350/787 and 777/A340 RFP... but the A380, not so sure it will be done this soon. I am willing to bet if any follow up orders are made by QANTAS it will be when it has flown commercially and performance measures are met. The A380 still has some uncertainty that it won't meet performance targets and again it may not be substantiated but it can't be disregarded either due to the 6 month delay. Other than the Airbus test team no one knows whats going on.

Just my 2 cents.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12220 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11894 times:
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Since when was SYDs runway A380 ready? Wonder how much SYD payed for the privilage of having the A380 before BNE or MEL

User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11879 times:

In this context (the program 6 month shift), it looks a bit like a "Sorry for the delay" Tour.
However, I think they would have done the same Presentation Tour if there wasn't any delay.

I'm looking forward these dates for the A380 to be on the headline again...

Cheers,  Smile


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 6):
In this context (the program 6 month shift), it looks a bit like a "Sorry for the delay" Tour.

I think you are dead right here. Also I believe it will be the A380 publicity plus dead giveaway prices on A350. Airbus knows they are up against it with regard to 777/787 but I believe Qantas will end up with A350 just like the A330 already given away.

We know launch customers were given ridiculous prices on A380 and A350 will go the same way. Airbus is holding its own on A32x/737NG but it would appear to be struggling and discounting heavily in an attempt to stay competitive in the widebodys.

Basically Qantas wants 787/777 but will probably end up with Airbuses do to a price that nobody could refuse... time will tell.  twocents 


User currently offlineStall From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11739 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
Basically Qantas wants 787/777 but will probably end up with Airbuses do to a price that nobody could refuse... time will tell.

So what ?



Flying is fun
User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5716 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11714 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Since when was SYDs runway A380 ready?

Since about 1975! The A380 will be certified to use any runway certified for B747's. Depending on the airport there MAY be certian specific requirements such as structures with an absolute weight limit, rather than only a pavement limit. [AFAIK there are no such problems at SYD] There may also be operational requirments such as ensuring the sides of the runway are clear of causes for FOD to a greter width than normal.

Most so called A380 works on the runway/taxiways are for operational ease, rather than certification requirements.

BTW Since the revamp of the Airbus web site I cannot find the A380 airfield requirement manual! Anybody got a current link??

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11670 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
We know launch customers were given ridiculous prices on A380

As I don't think we have official sources (do you? I don't). I will talk about what we heard here.

It has been said that EK, who probably had the biggest discount considering their 45 plane order, paid $150M each frame instead of $250M list price.

It also has been said that ANA had a 50% discount on a already very cheap B787 ($120M list price IIRC) i.e. more than EK's discount.

So I don't think Airbus is the only one playing this game now that Boeing sales team has changed.

And anyway, we will never know everything 'coz airplane purchase is not just about the frame price.


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11603 times:

It is at the same time funny and tiring to read again and again on A-net that, when Airbus sales planes it must be due to large discounts, but when Boeing sales planes it is because they are so much better.
Can't everybody understand that selling airliners is a business with all the rules and tricks linled to any business.
And Airbus and Boeing are alike when it comes to deal with customers (even political supports are in hand on both sides).


User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11559 times:
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Keep talking all of your airbus vs. boeing stuff.......all I hope for is that this thread is true.......and I'll be ready and waiting!

Andrew



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11558 times:

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
F-WWOW will arrive at Sydney on Nov 16th to celebrate the 85th birthday of Qantas.

Yay - happy birthday QF. I must say, there's been next to nothing in terms of advertising this milestone. The 75th was a big thing - so it's nice to see that ten years on we'll have the future of long haul aviation: The A380, to celebrate with!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Wonder how much SYD payed for the privilage of having the A380 before BNE or MEL

Heh, uh - you think Sydney Airports Corporation payed airbus to do this?

Are you...mad?

QFF


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11477 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
The A380 still has some uncertainty that it won't meet performance targets and again it may not be substantiated but it can't be disregarded either due to the 6 month delay. Other than the Airbus test team no one knows whats going on.

Do you really believe that?


User currently offlineVHTAE From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11419 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 3):

I totally agree with you. I am a Melbournian and not happy about the A380 not coming to Tullamarine as we were the first in Australia to have our airport ready for it.

VH-TAE.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11144 times:

As BoogyJay said it's a "Sorry for the delay" tour.
Information provided by Air&Cosmos , which always gets the information from Airbus in exclusivity.
Not sure if the programm didn't experience some delays , the plane would have gone to Australia.
It has always been known that it will fly to Dubai for the show , being painted in EK color scheme , but now that it will visit QF and SQ , not sure this purpose will be done.
Why not painting "Merci Emirates , Qantas and Singapore" on the fuselage ?
Virginflyer , do not desesperate , it is mentionned Sydney for the birthday on Nov16th , but as it will arrive at Dubai on Nov20th , perhaps it will make a tour around Australia during these 4 days.Just a though.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11013 times:

How cool would it be if they would paint the aircraft with a QF tail, Emirates billboard side and an SQ cheat line.

thats a wow. you'll kill 3 birds with one stone Big grin

Drew



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10944 times:

KL808

Superb idea !!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10749 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 17):
you'll kill 3 birds with one stone

hehe, not sure the airlines would appreciate now... They'd probably prefer to see 3 birds flying by now, for all the stones they paid already.

Leahy had promised to many A380 customers that they'd be able to see the bird in their country, painted in their c/s.

But with only 1 aircraft currently flying, I guess he's having trouble keeping up with those promises and is having to compromise.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineFilton216 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10182 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
They may announce the 350/787

I spoke to the Chairwoman of Qantas in June and she said that Qantas has no plans yet on buying the 787 Dreamliner or the A350 at the present time.

filton216



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User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9720 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 6):
In this context (the program 6 month shift), it looks a bit like a "Sorry for the delay" Tour

If that's the case, then I think it's a very bad move, because that's another ten days that this aircraft will not be testing.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 16):
Why not painting "Merci Emirates , Qantas and Singapore" on the fuselage ?

A bit French centric? I thought Airbus is a pan-European company.  Wink


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
Maybe we could expect a follow on order for some more A380 from Qantas, at its birthday party.

Qantas has a good number of options for the A380, even if they want to convert them to orders they are not in a hurry.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 19):
hehe, not sure the airlines would appreciate now... They'd probably prefer to see 3 birds flying by now, for all the stones they paid already.

I think there are paintshops in Dubai and Singapore  crazy 

A350



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9680 times:

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 21):
Quoting FCKC (Reply 16):
Why not painting "Merci Emirates , Qantas and Singapore" on the fuselage ?

A bit French centric? I thought Airbus is a pan-European company.

Since "merci" in French means both "thank you" and "mercy", the word may be appropriate  Smile


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

Thanks for sharing the news...I had the chance to see it at LBG this year, but guess where I'll be on November 16th: yup, SYD indeed. What are the odds (well, I leave at 9AM but I still might catch it again)?  Wink

Greets,
Ivan



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25 Richard28 : Spot on Breiz. Could not agree more. The FR 738 order is often also forgotten on these threads. It's a business!!
26 Post contains images Glideslope : LOL. It's the, "Sorry for the delay, would you like some 350's at cost?"
27 Jupiter2 : Local rumours had it as going to BNE earlier, mainly due to the runway being 380 capable, however as has been said in this post, it looks like 45 metr
28 Glacote : Could you please elaborate on these? Last time I checked Emirates paid around $7 billions 2001-USD for 43 planes including 2 freighters. This is arou
29 OzGlobal : BoeingBus, For context, please provide the forecast vs. actual project schedule for the 747. Are you genuinely surprised about delays on a significan
30 6thfreedom : Agree. Not only was the airport the first A380 ready in Australia, but QF has already announced MEL-LAX as one of its first A380 sectors. Add to that
31 QANTAS077 : if they are sending it to Australia in celebration of Qantas' birthday then it should go to Brisbane, afterall that's where the company has it's origi
32 QFA380 : Exactly why should Melbourne get all the glory of being the first aussie city to see the A380 and the first aussie city have QF flights. Just because
33 AirIndia : The A380 should have made a courtesy stop at BOM/DEL as they have one customer here in Kingfisher and prospective ones in 9W. They can actually use th
34 Post contains images Udo : Why not below cost? Regards Udo
35 QANTASforever : Don't be silly. It started in Longreach and Winton. What you're suggesting is akin to Canberra taking the credit for the Sydney olympics. QFF
36 777ER : When will the A380 depart SYD for Dubai?
37 Post contains images Glareskin : Exactly what are you frustrated about? This sentence sounds familiar...
38 TBCITDG : Shouldn't the A380 fly into SYD since it is there that QF has it's operation headquaters and not in MEL or BNE? Who cares if the taxi way was the 'fir
39 FCKC : AirIndia Probably a tour to India will come later. Kingfisher is not considered as a launch customer , and will not be affected by the delay.Remember
40 BoeingBus : Look, at this point you can believe whatever you want w/o a confirmation from Airbus testing. Its all rumors and people are having fun with it right
41 777ER : So its now going to MEL instead of SYD?
42 Post contains links Dynkrisolo : Please see Reply 59 of the following thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2280151/ To summarize, the original 747
43 Post contains images Keesje : We don't know if it is true that the major flag carriers hold their breath for the 787, that delays have become more and more likely, that empty weig
44 Post contains links Knoxibus : I already provided these dates in other threads a while back, with additional dates: here and here Also, not only the Airbus flight test centre have t
45 JoeCattoli : Yes it is in the A380 possibility, it is 600nm shorter than the MEL-Lax leg that QF plans to fly with a full payload A380. Ciao Joe P.S. I could be i
46 Post contains links BoogyJay : For our fellow Australians who wanted to have the A380 at their local airports, I found an interesting quote of Champion, Airbus chief operating offic
47 SQ2 : i wonder when will A380 land in a U.S. airport
48 Ken777 : I believe that Airbus should be maximizing the exposure of the 380. If it is going to SYD then why not add MEL, BNE and PER? Bring in the local press
49 Post contains links Jasond : As a Perth 'local' I would dearly love to see it here. It will come one day purely on the basis that Perth is setting itself up as a major hub. Check
50 Goodbye : There have been numerous reports in the press here that the A380 is due in Brisbane on either November 14 or November 16. We'll know more closer to th
51 Post contains images DeskPilot : No point arguing - Sydney thinks it IS Australia. Nothi Until the water runs out
52 Post contains links NAV20 : Steve Creedy wrote this up in the 'Australian' during the week. Salient points are, it's not certain yet; Qantas specified Brisbane (personally I reck
53 Post contains images QANTASforever : Yep.
54 JMJAirways : On Nov 16th I will celebrate my 21 birthday ! Nice to have birthday as Qantas ! Best regards
55 Post contains images Scanorama : Good to hear its coming to Sydney, hope it will true. I was going to book a flight up to Brisbane just to see the bird, now it saves me $$
56 Aussieindc : If indeed it was to go to the origins, and for the fact that they have a 747 at the museum, then it MUST be going to Longreach then if all the A380 r
57 Wunala : Virgins B's HQ may be in BNE, but that is not a reason to have the A380 go there. It will go to SYD then MEL, b4 BNE, sorry but that is the way it wi
58 Dalecary : I believe BNE may have been requested by QF due to it's historic significance as the early HQ of the airline. That QF is having it's 85th birthday ba
59 Joule : A380 tour schedule: Nov 10 TLS-SIN Nov 11-12 SIN Nov 13 SIN-KUL Nov 14 KUL-SYD Nov 15 SYD Nov 16 SYD-BNE Nov 17 BNE-SIN-TLS Nov 19 TLS-DXB Nov 20-24 D
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