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U.S. Airlines To Operate MSY Refugee Flights  
User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1511 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

IT appears the Nations airlines are going to start moving some of the
huge numbers of refugees out of New Orleans..

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/na...nal/nationalspecial/02cnd-air.html

[Edited 2005-09-02 17:17:27]


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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

This is unprecedented in U.S. history. I know that QF and EL AL have
set records by using B747s to evacuate people before, but for the
Civilian carriers to volunteer their aircraft and staff, that is something.

Its nice to see in this time of crisis, that the bottom line does not matter
to some. A hardy "Well Done" to the U.S. airlines participating.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Great News, sure hope the gov't at some point in the future provides the fuel and covers the cost for these flights.


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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7893 times:
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I checked flytecomm and they have two from DL, one for JetBlue, Two for Spirit, and some more planned by Air Canada and others.

And this one too.


Airline Provence Aero Service
Flight Number 9484
Departure City (Airport) Indianapolis, IN (IND)
Departure Time 09/02/2005 10:21 AM
Arrival City (Airport) New Orleans, LA (MSY)
Arrival Time 09/02/2005 12:01 PM
Remaining Flight Time 01:40 (planned)
Aircraft Type E170
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

will WN have an Airline USA TV crew with them, I wonder

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5143 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

So they are all being airlifted to SAT? I hear Dallas is now accepting evacuees.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5959 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Quoting CcrlR (Reply 3):
Airline Provence Aero Service
Flight Number 9484

RPA9484 INDMSY E170
ETA 1743Z



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User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 5):
So they are all being airlifted to SAT? I hear Dallas is now accepting evacuees.

With up to 9 flights per hour, and being instituted at such short notice, I would imagine that logistically the best place to properly care for the evacuees (many of whom need desperate medical attention) would be a military facility. That would be why these refugees are being flown directly to Lackland Air Force Base.

It wouldn't surprise me if compensation to the airlines by the Federal Government was under consideration and being worked out. I wouldn't be alarmed that the airlines are currently having to "donate" their services... better to get the air-evacuation up and running and worry about how to pay for it later.


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

I heard that CO donated 1000 seats (?)

I am sure that part of the relief package approved last night will go to cover the expenses that airlines will face when transporting "MSY refugees".


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Here is the CO press release talking about the 1,000 tickets.

Continental Airlines Provides Relief for Hurricane Victims
* Will donate 1,000 tickets for resettlement travel; * Waives advance purchase requirement for travelers from Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi; * Sets flexible policies for rebooking and refunding tickets in hurricane zone
HOUSTON, Sept 01, 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today announced a series of steps to help hurricane victims with their travel needs.

Ticket Donation for Resettlement Travel

Continental will donate 1,000 tickets to a relief agency to allow displaced residents of the southeastern United States impacted by Hurricane Katrina to relocate within the U.S. Continental envisions the tickets will be used by Katrina refugees who have secured long-term support outside the region and are able to relocate. Travel will be approved and arranged by a relief agency using Continental's ticket donation. Currently Continental is in discussion with relief agencies to determine a process under which the ticket donation can be made available to qualified recipients. Specifics will be announced shortly.

"This is just one small way that we can help to meet the immediate needs of the many evacuees in desperate need of help," said Continental's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Larry Kellner.

The ticket donation is in addition to the carrier's donation of 1,000,000 OnePass frequent flyer miles to American Red Cross and AmeriCares mileage donation accounts to support the travel needs of those working to alleviate the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina. OnePass members can also donate their miles to these agencies at continental.com>Frequent Flyer>Use Miles>Donate Miles.

Low and Easy-To-Use Fares for Evacuees

Continental has instituted special fares for residents of Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi who have immediate travel needs. For these travelers, Continental is waiving the advance purchase requirement for any fare to any destination, for travel originating through Monday, Sept. 5, 2005. The fares are available through Continental reservations, 1-800-523-3273.

This offer gives evacuees access to Continental's discount fares without having to meet all of the normal restrictions. Fares will be booked based on the inventory available at time of purchase.

Flexible Refund and Rebooking Policies

Continental also has relaxed certain ticket rules applicable to nonrefundable and nonchangeable tickets to/from five airports affected by Katrina. Refunds may be requested from Continental reservations at 1-800-523-3273.

Continental's regular policies permit a full refund of nonrefundable tickets in the event the ticketed flight does not operate. Therefore, under regular policies, full refunds are available on tickets booked on any of the canceled flights to/from New Orleans and Gulfport/Biloxi (which currently do not have service) or any other canceled flight.

Continental has improved the above policy to be of further assistance to its customers under the extremely difficult circumstances caused by Katrina. Eligible for refund under the special policy are tickets for travel through Oct. 31, 2005 to/from Baton Rouge, Lafayette and New Orleans, La.; Gulfport/Biloxi and Jackson, Miss.; and Mobile, Ala. Nonrefundable tickets which are refunded under this accommodation will be refunded to an Electronic Travel Certificate valid for a future purchase on a Continental flight or a flight operated by a partner airline carrying a Continental flight number (code share).



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8163 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

The "donation" of services is probably the only way to get around all the battles to get the government to make a decision. If they can land in MSY and have a fast turn around things should work out reasonably well. The question is how long it will take for George W to figure out that they need to take care of the primary costs that this effort entails - like paying for the fuel and wages.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7501 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Here's whats scheduled so far for Friday 9/2/05 Note: (SKF - Lackland AFB in SAT) Flights will only occure during daylight hours and VFR conditions for obvious reasons. So far DL, NK, AC, and WN have started relief flights. The others are preparing and will likely start operations tomorrow on Saturday

Inbound for MSY:
FLL Spirit Airlines 8004 11:15 AM M80
ATL Delta Air Lines 9811 11:25 AM 752
SKF Delta Air Lines 9813 11:37 AM 752
ATL Delta Air Lines 9906 11:41 AM 752
JFK Jetblue Airways 9580 11:43 AM A320
ATL Delta Air Lines 9817 12:09 PM 752
FLL Spirit Airlines 8001 12:09 PM M80
ATL Delta Air Lines 9812 12:11 PM 752
IND Provence Aero Service 9484 12:37 PM E170
DAL Southwest 8800 12:43 PM 73G
YYZ Air Canada 7058 01:09 PM A321
SKF Delta Air Lines 9814 03:53 PM 752
SKF Delta Air Lines 9819 04:09 PM 752

Outbound From MSY: (Flight time to SFK 1:15)
SFK Delta Air Lines 9811 01:13 PM 752
SFK Spirit Airlines 8002 01:24 PM M80
SFK Spirit Airlines 8005 01:30 PM M80
SFK Jetblue Airways 2001 01:32 PM A320
SFK Delta Air Lines 9812 01:46 PM 752
SFK Delta Air Lines 9817 02:01 PM 752
SFK Southwest 8801 02:46 PM 73G
SFK Air Canada 7051 04:02 PM A321


User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
The question is how long it will take for George W to figure out that they need to take care of the primary costs that this effort entails - like paying for the fuel and wages.

The reality is all Federal money is funneled via the state and local governments upon them asking for it.

Seeking/requesting money to pay for a commercial airline evacuation within the United States is a primary job function of the Governor of Lousiana who should be working in concert with the Mayor of New Orleans.

Just because we might not like George Bush doesn't mean it's ok to ignore where the process to repay airlines for this evacuation is meant to begin. Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin only have to pick up a friggin' phone and say "pay for it!". Bush has already told Governor Blanco, on national TV, that whatever it costs she can have.

No evidence they're doing this. But what do you expect from politicians who completely ignored evacuating 50,000 poor people from one of America's most poverty stricken cities?

Don't blame Bush for other politicians failures.

[Edited 2005-09-02 19:38:35]

User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

Guys,

The British media said last night that according to official governmental data New Orleans has just over 100,000 inhabitants without a car.

How on earth did the Mayor expected those people to leave? On foot?

Why they didn't charter the flights before?

Meanwhile GW said that New Orleans will emerge stronger from the disaster (or similar)


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

This is good news to say the least. Although, I think it should of been done before the storm hit. Unfortunately, the people who are being most affected by this tragedy are lower income people. That being said, they don't have money to evacuate and were stuck in the Superdome. Perhaps the best thing that could of been done would of been running these flights on saturday and sunday to get the people out. Of course, there is no point in saying "what ifs".

User currently offlineBostonGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 14):
This is good news to say the least. Although, I think it should of been done before the storm hit. Unfortunately, the people who are being most affected by this tragedy are lower income people. That being said, they don't have money to evacuate and were stuck in the Superdome. Perhaps the best thing that could of been done would of been running these flights on saturday and sunday to get the people out. Of course, there is no point in saying "what ifs".

Probably would have been far more efficient to take the hundreds of unused school buses (schools were closed) to get those without cars or money to buy gas to a safe place. That's a precedure used in other hurricane-prone states... alas, Louisiana doesn't seem very adept at advance planning.


User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

Today I was actually thinking about using "Jolly Green Giants" to get the people from the city to the airports (especially in the areas that are unpassable on the ground) and then C5's and other widebodies (like an ATA L-1011) to evacuate them.

The Air Force Base is a good idea. I even thought about using some of the bases that were closed around the country as temporary shelters. I'd imagine that they are still habitable.

This is still good, and I'm glad to see progress. I saw some firetrucks in the convoy all the way from Los Angeles. Kudos to them. Good for B6 to represent NYC. I hope more can come from NY.

Also, is the "Flying Hospital" still in existance? They could sure use it now.

Neil



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Quoting BostonGuy (Reply 12):
Just because we might not like George Bush doesn't mean it's ok to ignore where the process to repay airlines for this evacuation is meant to begin. Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin only have to pick up a friggin' phone and say "pay for it!". Bush has already told Governor Blanco, on national TV, that whatever it costs she can have.

No evidence they're doing this. But what do you expect from politicians who completely ignored evacuating 50,000 poor people from one of America's most poverty stricken cities?

Don't blame Bush for other politicians failures.

Don't hold your breath hoping for the above. There seems to be quite a number of people here who seem intent on giving the governor and the mayor a free pass for their incompetence.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Some details on the AC flight

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2005/02/c5809.html


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5959 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

As a side note: They just placed MSY into a ground delay program with a 4 aircraft per hour cap.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7232 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 13):
How on earth did the Mayor expected those people to leave? On foot?

That's why they opened up the superdome, so those that couldn't leave would have a place of refuge.

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 13):
Meanwhile GW said that New Orleans will emerge stronger from the disaster (or similar)

While I don't like the guy or much of what he says, look what happened in NYC. The american people have a resolve to fight back in times like this and I think in a few years time NO will be the place it was before the storm ::Feels strange sense of american pride::


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5438 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
SFK Delta Air Lines 9811 01:13 PM 752
SFK Spirit Airlines 8002 01:24 PM M80
SFK Spirit Airlines 8005 01:30 PM M80
SFK Jetblue Airways 2001 01:32 PM A320
SFK Delta Air Lines 9812 01:46 PM 752
SFK Delta Air Lines 9817 02:01 PM 752
SFK Southwest 8801 02:46 PM 73G
SFK Air Canada 7051 04:02 PM A321

That will be a lot of people arriving in a short amount of time. I hope that it is an organized situation in San Antonio, as these folks need some sense of security and stability. Emotionally, I could not imagine being them in their situation, but I bet that they have the most comfortable and enjoyable flight of their lives, relative to their situation.

Quoting BostonGuy (Reply 12):
The reality is all Federal money is funneled via the state and local governments upon them asking for it.

Seeking/requesting money to pay for a commercial airline evacuation within the United States is a primary job function of the Governor of Lousiana who should be working in concert with the Mayor of New Orleans.

Just because we might not like George Bush doesn't mean it's ok to ignore where the process to repay airlines for this evacuation is meant to begin. Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin only have to pick up a friggin' phone and say "pay for it!". Bush has already told Governor Blanco, on national TV, that whatever it costs she can have.

Thank you for that. It's been extremely embarrassing to see the huge political blame game going on just hours into the disaster. I'm not saying there isn't blame to go around, but it's gone beyond disaster relief. It's about politcal assassination, and it only creates more discontent at a time when we need to pull together.

-Dave



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

UA flew in a relief fligh yesterday this is the Newsreel article on that flight and those refugees they took out of N.O.

Katrina Update: United Completes Humanitarian
Flight to New Orleans
----------------------------------------------------
Partnering with the American Red Cross, America's
Second Harvest (the largest hunger-relief
organization in the United States) and others,
United successfully operated a humanitarian flight -
- United Flight 9948 -- from Chicago to New Orleans
and back on Thursday.

The flight departed Chicago O'Hare at approximately
7:00 a.m. Central time and landed at the Louis
Armstrong New Orleans International Airport at about
9:15 a.m. During the two-and-a-half hours on the
ground in New Orleans, United airport employees
assisted with unloading 25,000 pounds of critically
needed relief supplies (including food and water)
for people affected by the storm.

In addition to 29 United employees from various
divisions -- including Airport Operations, United
Services, Field Communications and Corporate Social
Investment -- the flight carried eight
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents
to assist with the security screening of evacuees
for the return flight. Fifty paramedics were also
taken on the flight to New Orleans to assist with
the ongoing relief effort there.

On the 12:15 p.m. return, United's flight served as
an evacuation vehicle on a first-come, first-served
basis for 101 refugees of all ages fleeing the
region -- including large families, special needs
passengers and four pet dogs. The evacuation was
timely, as the Federal Emergency Management
Administration (FEMA) had brought refugees from all
over the area to the airport. Two of United's New
Orleans airport employees who'd been in the area
throughout the storm also took the return flight.
In flight, the evacuees were given fresh T-shirts
and served a hot meal, which was, for many, their
first in several days.

"The people in this region are coping with something
difficult for us to imagine," says Sonya Jackson,
director-Corporate Social Investment. "At this
point, they're trying to meet basic needs and find
loved ones. Fortunately, we were able to provide a
small bit of help today to a few of them. This
flight is something all United employees should be
proud of."

Upon landing at O'Hare, the evacuees were given,
courtesy of Sears, 100-dollar gift certificates for
new clothing. United also gave them the option of
continuing on to other destinations beyond Chicago
to stay with family or friends. Nearly 90 percent
of the evacuees connected to approximately 10
different cities, including Houston, Atlanta and
Dallas; a handful chose to stay in Chicago.

Additionally, some were taken to the United Red
Carpet Club for respite and assistance from American
Red Cross representatives after their long, recent
days.

Vice President-Airport Operations Alex Marren
accompanied the flight, and commended the
collaborative effort of the company's various
divisions to get it off the ground.

"Being in New Orleans today made clear how
devastating the situation there really is," Marren
says. "Although today's flight is just one part of
what will be a tremendous humanitarian effort, it
was remarkable to see how everyone came together to
make this happen. Employees across the company
worked very hard in a short period of time to help
bring badly needed food, water and relief to those
in need."

United continues to monitor the situation and
develop ways for the company, employees and
customers to assist in the relief effort.
Customers, as well as employees, seeking information
about donating cash or Mileage Plus(R) miles can
visit www.united.com for details about participation
in the company's Charity Miles program.

NewsReal will continue to provide updates as the
situation progresses.


User currently offlineDfwagt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

My airline will be operating some flights starting tomorrow at 0600 with 757 equip. I will be going to assist at MSY. Should be interesting.

User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6544 times:
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UA operated a flt from ORD this afternoon with about 18000 lbs of relief supplys on board and then continued to SFK with a load of survivors...the 2nd of many I hope....

25 AEroc : All I have to say is WOW!!!!!! With all the crap you see on the news there are really no stories of the good that is happening. God Bless all the vict
26 Virgin747 : " target=_blank>http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a....html Its amazing even to see Canada contributing to the effort despite recent Canada/US relati
27 Centrair : With all the bad things happening in the airline industry it is nice that they can come together in time of need. I know this might have an obvious an
28 UA772IAD : Of course, the Superdome proved to be inadequate, as sanitation quickly became an issue. I must say that I am glad the airlines are now helping. The
29 KC135TopBoom : In addition, the MSANG airlifted medical evacuations to NAS Fort Worth (Carswell AFB) using C-141Cs. The USAF is also using C-130Hs going to Carswell
30 OPNLguy : Because of the limited ramp parking space available, my guesses would be that those aircraft have smaller sizes, can be turned quicker than a widebod
31 Crogalski : jetblue donated one of their aircraft for refugee flights
32 N587NK : 2115 0130 -A68 D-END: 2145 (NR 0900) REPORT 0500 No Hotel Assigned Sa 03 8801 SKF-MSY KSKF- 1000 1130 0130 829 Sa 03 8802 MSY-SKF -KSKF 0830 1000 0130
33 Post contains links Crogalski : "Passenger carriers participating in the volunteer effort include: Alaska, America West, American, ATA, Continental, Delta, Jet Blue, Northwest, South
34 LongHauler : Yes, but the employee sentiment within Air Canada, was that the United States is always first to help a country in need .... it's payback time now. T
35 Tockeyhockey : i'm not sure that this is exactly unprescedented. part of the reason that the government is so relaxed with rules regarding airline bankruptcies is b
36 WestIndian425 : So far the only video/photos I'm getting at MSY are of an all-white 737. I haven't seen any recognizable airlines. That might be deliberate by the med
37 Lincoln : Yes -- it's UPS (United Parcel Service)'s air operations. (I.e., from what I understand if it has "UPS" painted on it and wings it's technically UPS
38 BostonGuy : Would have been nice if the Governor or Mayor had advised the airlines what time they planned to close the airport on Sunday instead of leaving it up
39 Jrw261 : From what I've heard from people being evacuated now and people who evacuated before... Lousiana and N.O. officials deserve most of the blame for the
40 FlewGSW : AA Flights for September 3, 2005. Four MD-80s Flight 9370 DFW @ 0638 - MSY @ 0803 Flight 9440 MSY @ 0820 - SKF @ 0948 Flight 9743 SKF @ 1050 - MSY @ 1
41 Ikramerica : Isn't it sad you even have to point this out to some of your enlightened fellow countrymen?
42 FlewGSW : CNN reports just now: Former V.P. Al Gore arrived into MSY today on an AA flight.
43 Cltguy : US Airways has also donated a 737 for this operation.
44 Post contains links Widebodyphotog : You mean these buses... GW Carver HS bus lot While not a native of New Orleans I have lived there off and on for more than 25 years, visit at least t
45 UAORD2000 : This is great that something is finally being done to help these people in New Orleans. Never have I been so embarassed of G.W. and the government for
46 Post contains links BostonGuy : Those are some of them... MSNBC last night showed footage of a similar, yet far larger holding area with far more buses. Which disaster are you refer
47 Widebodyphotog : Last time I checked, the president does not run the State of Louisiana or the city of New Orleans. The fed can not come in and take over a city or st
48 BostonGuy : Amen. Rather interesting that those who dislike Bush the most also show a complete ignorance about the U.S. Constitution and lack of knowledge regard
49 UAORD2000 : Fair enough, it's not GW's fault. It's the state's fault. Either way, don't you think that Daddy Bush should have stepped in and done SOMETHING to hel
50 FlewGSW : The AA flight from MSY to BNA will not happen today. The aircraft for the flight, a former TWA plane, is right now flying to TYS 188 minutes (111 of t
51 BostonGuy : I'm not a conservative Republican, so unlike you I don't believe a coup d'etat was necessary to make the Federal relief effort effective. The idea th
52 RJ777 : Not to put any of this down or anything, but don't you think that some widebody planes should be utilized for this instead of 757s and A321s? I mean,
53 BostonGuy : I think it's incredibly generous of airlines to provide evacuations on narrow-body jets free of charge. Especially considering the financial straight
54 Westindian425 : Though widebodies can definitely hold more, the turnaround times are also higher than the narrowbodies. It's a tradeoff. After thinking about it, the
55 Virgin747 : Whats more sad is I gotta remind my fellow countryman exactly what the US is doing to Canada to start these so called relations.... Pumping polluted
56 GrummanS2 : UPS dropped it pax service a few years ago. It was only operated on Boeing 727-100 with a quick change interior kit. Not so quick it took hours to ch
57 Cofaninbos : Bostonguy- I suppose it's the mayor's fault and the governor's fault that under the Bush administration, the budget for SELA (the organization in char
58 707lvr : 72 hours. Seventy-two hours. All of this is the reason we've been told over and over in PSA's: expect to be without help for 72 hours . Governments ca
59 AirAmericaC46 : God bless all the airlines helping out! I am hoping for a good karma pay-out for a profitable years to come for those airlines volunteering! Any other
60 Nwafflyer : Does anyone have a list of what airlines are flying what flight numbers and planes?
61 Squirrel83 : Anyone have a list of all carriers that have participated so far in the effrort? Not to mention all cargo, and charter airlines.
62 BostonGuy : That is absolutely a factor for which Bush and Congress must be held accountable for that role in New Orleans being vulnerable (as should Clinton who
63 Widebodyphotog : This has been going on for a lot more than three years. And the president does not make the law. Congress approved the bill with the complicity of th
64 FlewGSW : For Sunday, September 4 AA will fly: MD-80 aircraft 403 9740 DFW 7:15 MSY 8:31 9440 MSY 10:30 CHA 12:50 9741 CHA 2:00 DFW 4:05 MD-80 aircraft 572 9750
65 BostonGuy : And this is from the Times-Picayune report from 2002 that Cofaninbos cites, and gives an illustration of the extreme culpability in this disaster by l
66 Qxq400 : Why as Americans are we so self centered? We want everyone to do our own planning and thinking for us. Why is it that the Federal government must pro
67 Lincoln : I don't think UPS Airlines involvement in this is pax service... I would imagine that they and FedEx are only moving cargo in and out with their norm
68 B757capt : Pace has donated a 737-300 flypace.com and we will probably be sending our 757 (hooters Air) to MSY on Monday night.
69 Type-Rated : I imagine a lot of these people haven't flown before. I wonder if they have any people that are scared to fly? I would also think that the airlines op
70 ExFATboy : Not really - most of the people who dislike Bush so intensely tend to be left of centre, and most liberals in this country tend to think the Federal
71 Cactus739 : I read a United press release about one of their rescue refugee flights stating that everyone on board was given a hot meal....
72 COfaninBOS : AGAIN, Katrina was a category 3 when most went to bed on Saturday night. When the sun came up on Sunday, it was a category 5. That gave the mayor or N
73 Flyibaby : Independence took an aircraft off scheduled service on Thursday to fly FEMA from IAD to the region.
74 ChrisNH : Interesting. All these 'liberal' victims down there...their #1 request: MONEY!!! Not certain government actions and activities, but MONEY! Why? So TH
75 BostonGuy : That is a lie and you know it. At 7am Saturday the 27th The National Hurricane Center rated Katrina a Category 3 hurricane and forecast that it would
76 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : " target=_blank>http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a....html A big Thank You to our friends and allies up North Just out of curiosity, what's he going
77 BostonGuy : I haven't heard. He's the founder of a new Cable TV channel... perhaps he's there as "media". And I just heard on the news that a unit of 8 Black Haw
78 CO757bos2iah : I know we've operated flights to AUS and Lackland AFB in San Antonio. I think given the uneasiness of the industry is good to see many Airlines pull s
79 BostonGuy : I was in Florida for 3 hurricanes last year. They're called "Evacuees". Also, the definition of "refugee" that you gave is indeed correct. Unfortunat
80 Positiverate : Let me make this clear: Everything which has happened as the result of Hurricane Katrina is my fault. Mine. Alone. No one else's. Stop wasting energy
81 Westindian425 : It is unfortunate that this topic has diverged away from the airline aspect to politics. But what else is new? Neil
82 CO757bos2iah : Spoken by a person I'm sure has never ventured outside of comforts of Brookline,Waltham or the like, and never into Dorchester,Roxbury or Mattapan. B
83 BostonGuy : Yes, you are completely wrong. I live in Jamaica Plain. Have plenty of friends I visit every week in Mission Hill and Roxbury. I'm in Mattapan a lot,
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