FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3095 posts, RR: 24 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1993 times:
Usually what happens is they will tanker fuel in from other areas and just keep them on the planes they came in on. But that could possibly mean weight restrictions to keep the fuel, causing more of a loss in actual revenue.
Captover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1846 times:
Independence has said that IAD has about 9 days worth of Jet A. They will be doing reverse tankering, which means they will be refueling at cities that have fuel available instead of always refueling at IAD. I don't know if any other Independence cities are having a potential fuel shortage.
"From the Gulf" ? AFAIK Jet A comes from a refinery. If Katrina has a massive effect on Jet A-production, IAD will not be the only airport to suffer from.
IN addition to what Captover indicated, AFAIK every airport is legally required to hold stock of fuel for so-and-so many days of operations ...
BTW: Which way is IAD supplied with Jet A ?
Speaking for two airports I´m familiar:
FRA gets one part of its fuel via pipelines directly from refineries downstream the river (IIRC more than 1 pipeline; at least one of them is or was a military pipeline). In addition to this, the operator of FRA has its own quay on the river Rhine (or is it on the river Main ?) to offload tank-ships. IIRC railcars are used only should ice block shipments on the rivers and the stocks decrease.
HAJ gets its supplies by road tanker, but a pipeline (~ 20 km) from a nearby quay on a canal should be under construction now (saving a lot of trucks per day).
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UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 3): BTW: Which way is IAD supplied with Jet A ?
I don't know for sure but with all the refining capacity around Baltimore Harbor which is a very industrial harbor IAD would probably get its Jet A from Baltimore or other Chesapeake ports. Gulf capacity I understand is piped to ATL.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21245 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
Quoting Captover (Reply 2): I don't know if any other Independence cities are having a potential fuel shortage.
CLT and ATL do, and I would imagine that GSO, GSP, and RDU might also have problems.
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Goodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1434 times:
Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 4):
I don't know for sure but with all the refining capacity around Baltimore Harbor which is a very industrial harbor IAD would probably get its Jet A from Baltimore or other Chesapeake ports. Gulf capacity I understand is piped to ATL.
I don't think this is correct. I think IAD isn't supplied anywhere close to locally but I'm not 100% sure.
JeffB From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1398 times:
From the Washington Post:
"The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority denied a trade report yesterday that said Dulles International Airport was one of 10 that could face jet fuel shortages. Dulles and National are supplied by the Colonial and Plantation pipelines, and they have a two-week supply of fuel on hand, the authority said."
Basically, IAD/DCA use two pipelines that get their Jet A from Gulf Refineries. Which is probably a hell of alot cheaper than having it trucked in!
Also, AFAIK, there are no refineries in Baltimore. I know of the fuel depots down in Curtis Bay and there are chemical plants over near Sparrows point/key bridge... but I didn't think any were Petrol refineries. If there are, where are they?
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1338 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5): CLT and ATL do, and I would imagine that GSO, GSP, and RDU might also have problems.
Actually, I think that RDU is doing well as far as jet fuel goes. The pipeline (1 of 2) that supplies RDU has been re-establish. It also serves ATL & CLT, so I believe they are out of the water, also.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
I guess having to reverse tankering during the fuel shortage at IAD for Independence Air will become a logistics nightmare in assigning new flights... especially if several flights end up short on fuel, but there are a lot of relatively long flights sheduled at that particular time.
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Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10696 posts, RR: 100 Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 3): "From the Gulf" ? AFAIK Jet A comes from a refinery. If Katrina has a massive effect on Jet A-production, IAD will not be the only airport to suffer from.
Its not just IAD, its all of the airporst fed by the Colonial and Plantation pipelines, see below:
Quoting JeffB (Reply 7): Dulles and National are supplied by the Colonial and Plantation pipelines, and they have a two-week supply of fuel on hand, the authority said."
I would *love* to know what the tankering is costing the airlines.
Remember, the gulf refineries did a little more "specialization" in Jet fuel than is normal. I'm guessing due to the presence of the two finished product pipelines giving them a ready market in the southeast and eastern seaboard.
Go3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3266 posts, RR: 22 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
In today's local paper (RIC), they had a write up on how we get our fuel. It indicated that a batch of fuel, transported by Plantation Pipeline, takes about 20 days from the time it leaves Baton Rouge, LA to get to Dulles. The Plantation pipeline has tank facilities near GSO, CLT, ATL, and places closer to Baton Rouge.
For the Colonial Pipeline, they indicate travel time from Houston to New York, is 18.5 days. They have more tank facilities than Plantation, so I assume they have more storage capacity. Here is a link to the story, but it does not have the graphic I am looking at to recite what they said:
Its possible that IAD can tap from these tank farms if necessary. The article also states, that it is possible for the pipeline to reverse flow, but that it is not set up for it.
Here in Richmond, all fuel is brought in by truck. Since this is a shit town for air travel, they only receive a few loads a day.
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