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New Delta Service To Managua And Roatan  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

As I mentioned last week, Delta will launch daily non-stop Atlanta-Managua service in December:

Eff. 15Dec05
DL 1795 ATL 1005-1245 MGA 738 Daily
DL 1796 MGA 1345-1835 MGA 738 Daily

And, in a major shocker, they will begin daily non-stop service to Roatan, Honduras (thanks for DeltaMIA for giving me the heads up on this one)!

Eff. 04Mar06
DL 1551 ATL 1150-1335 RTB 738 Daily
DL 1550 RTB 1435-1830 ATL 738 Daily

Delta will be the only airline offering daily non-stop service to Roatan. Roatan currently only has Saturday flights to Houston and Sunday flights to Miami. Delta will be the second US airline at the airport, following Continental. I do know American Airlines plans on Roatan service to launch in mid-2006, as well, from both Miami (WeSaSu 738) and Dallas (Sa 738). Delta's announcement. might fast foward those plans. I have also heard US Airways plans Saturday service from Charlotte.


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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8997 times:

Cool, I never saw those coming.
I really believe if there is an international airport in Latin America/Carribean DL will find it this Spring and Winter.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8935 times:

Comments:
MGA: right plane, but wrong times - no connecting flights from Europe @ ATL.
RTB: Daily B737-800 ! Isn't this too much? Is DL sure they mean RTB and not SAP? How many rooms RTB has, As many as LIR?



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):
MGA: right plane, but wrong times - no connecting flights from Europe @ ATL.

Look at all the flights to the carribean and north South America (?). I would say at least 80% of them leave between 10-1 o'clock. To me this seems like a perfect time anyway.

Great job Delta. Can't wait to hear what other routes they are going to add to the south.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

ATL-MGA isn't real that much of a surprise, but when DeltaMIA informed me on ATL-RTB, I couldn't understand that at all, and in all honesty, I still can't.
If anything, I would have Tegucigalpa, which Delta actually planned to include in their Phase II Lat Am expansion back in 1997/98. Of course, I don't mind this new destination being added, but I have a hard time believing that DL will be able to keep this route daily.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

It may be a LIR situation where the hotels nearby got together and came up with some sort of revenue guarantees. Look how nicely that turned out for all involved. Roatan may see their island playing out this way. I've been looking at real estate sites today thinking of investing. Nicaragua seems cheap as well. Theses beach front homes bought for $250K in LIR are going for 1 Mil now.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

What is the rationale for MGA-ATL?

MIA serves the largest immigrant community outside Nicaragua, and IAH is equidistant from most of North America and timed well for Europe connections.

I suppose Nicaragua is becoming popular as an alternative vacation place, but I wonder if DL's actions only dump seats and dilute yields...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 5):
It may be a LIR situation where the hotels nearby got together and came up with some sort of revenue guarantees. Look how nicely that turned out for all involved. Roatan may see their island playing out this way.

That is likely the rationale behind this. However, the Liberia area is probably a good 5-7 times larger than Roatan. Roatan is a small island off the coast of Honduras that is popular with scuba divers. It is a niche destination with limited resorts. We'll see how this works out. Delta should do well in Roatan, no doubt, but a daily service is what I still question.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

I can't say that I understand a daily ATL-RTB flight with a 737-800, either. The vast majority of U.S.A.-RTB traffic is scuba divers on weeklong all-inclusive packages at the resorts on Roatan -- and the packages tend to run from Saturday to Saturday. CO's IAH-RTB flight clearly is designed to cater to this market. Unless Delta has set up some sort of deal for connections with one of the internal Honduran carriers like Atlantic or Sosa (Islena belongs to TACA), I cannot fathom how they can get load factors above 10% most of the week.

ATL-MGA makes just as much sense as ATL-GUA, in my opinion. The scale of the ATL hub means Delta ought to be able to fill the flights.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
Look at all the flights to the carribean and north South America (?). I would say at least 80% of them leave between 10-1 o'clock. To me this seems like a perfect time anyway.

Great job Delta. Can't wait to hear what other routes they are going to add to the south.

not really, maybe the carribean flights ( I do not know) but newer ever the SouthAmerican flights....

bog, ccs, sjo, pty, etc and if we include the south and middle southamerican routes...

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Eff. 15Dec05
DL 1795 ATL 1005-1245 MGA 738 Daily
DL 1796 MGA 1345-1835 MGA 738 Daily

And, in a major shocker, they will begin daily non-stop service to Roatan, Honduras (thanks for DeltaMIA for giving me the heads up on this one)!

Eff. 04Mar06
DL 1551 ATL 1150-1335 RTB 738 Daily
DL 1550 RTB 1435-1830 ATL 738 Daily

I also say, it would be much better to reschedule the flights also the sal flight too an afternoon depature and offer good conections to the european transfer passengers (many many flights coming in from europe every day)

dl could get many more passengers for the flights if they would do this ´(as it´s not easy to find any flights from europe to the mentioned citys)

regards



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
The vast majority of U.S.A.-RTB traffic is scuba divers on weeklong all-inclusive packages at the resorts on Roatan -- and the packages tend to run from Saturday to Saturday. CO's IAH-RTB flight clearly is designed to cater to this market. Unless Delta has set up some sort of deal for connections with one of the internal Honduran carriers like Atlantic or Sosa (Islena belongs to TACA), I cannot fathom how they can get load factors above 10% most of the week.

Delta probably is getting some good incentives for this. Tourism officials in Roatan are undoubtly trying to make it more than just a place to scuba dive. Though diving into the market with a daily flights out of the bat is taking a big risk. ATL-RTB will work, but, as you said, most packages run Saturday through Saturday (or Sunday through Sunday). CO offers two weekly flights to RTB from Houston, and both are on Saturdays. And TACA's transborder service from Roatan flies to Houston on Saturdays and Miami on Sundays to cater to the needs of these tour packages. These flights will go out full on Saturdays, and probably Sundays too, though I question how much they can fill them on weekdays.



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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 573 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Question:

Is SAP (San Pedro Sula) also a new daily destination for Delta? I found ATL-SAP flights on Amadeus (apparently starting in March 2006). If this is so they will be serving two Honduran destinations daily, they may add Tegucigalpa.

I'm very glad to see more flights operating in MGA, I have some relatives there and I used to go there with Iberia (before the MIA hub was closed).

By the way, is improvement still going on at MGA airport or is it finished?


User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8440 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 11):
Question:

Is SAP (San Pedro Sula) also a new daily destination for Delta? I found ATL-SAP flights on Amadeus (apparently starting in March 2006). If this is so they will be serving two Honduran destinations daily, they may add Tegucigalpa.

Yes, ATL-SAP service will be daily service starting March 1, 2006.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8434 times:

There's a big Roatanian community in ATL just off of Peach Street. Should be a big market for Delta. Why they moved to ATL I'll never know. They own dive shops all over the Southeast.

User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1386 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8403 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 13):
There's a big Roatanian community in ATL just off of Peach Street.

how large can you think that community can be? Roatan as a whole has fewer than 40,000 inhabitants... So... we can pretty much say that this flight has nothing to do with ethnice travelers.

PZ



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 14):
Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 13):
There's a big Roatanian community in ATL just off of Peach Street.

how large can you think that community can be? Roatan as a whole has fewer than 40,000 inhabitants... So... we can pretty much say that this flight has nothing to do with ethnice travelers.

Maybe there are more Roatanians in ATL than in Roatan.  Smile


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Could be the population is greater in Atlanta? I'm not that good at Geography.

My husband says he bought my diamond from some guy that imports them from Zarconia but I've never been able to find that region on the map?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Quoting AirafriqueDKR (Reply 12):
Yes, ATL-SAP service will be daily service starting March 1, 2006.

Excellent news, yet another new destination in Lat Am. I can now only agree with DeltaMIA's comment,

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
I really believe if there is an international airport in Latin America/Carribean DL will find it this Spring and Winter.

DL is adding so many destinations in the Caribbean/Mexico/Latin America, it is almost unbelievable.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11117 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

Where the h*ll is AA at RTB? Just like LIR, AA is behind the curve in letting DL come in and cultivate markets first!

While I agree with MAH that DL's continual ability to make ATL-RTB work Tuesday-Thursday is doubtful, I think AA would have a much better shot of it through MIA than DL through ATL, and I also think that they could easily fill a Sat/Sun 738 to/from DFW, as Texans love to Scuba.

Come on AA -- where are you?!


User currently offlineXlpants From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
DL is adding so many destinations in the Caribbean/Mexico/Latin America, it is almost unbelievable

DL has a couple of new VP's who left CO recently and are busy pushing DL's network in the same direction as CO...offshore!


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

Quoting Xlpants (Reply 19):
DL has a couple of new VP's who left CO recently and are busy pushing DL's network in the same direction as CO...offshore!

Pah, as long as DL doesn't have a certain CEO who recently left CO (not giving any names) push DL for this movement, it's not the same  Wink .


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24635 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8254 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 18):
Where the h*ll is AA at RTB?

Not every US airline has to serve everywhere, Commavia. It is the great curse of the US civil aviation industry.

As noted, Raotan has a base population of 40,000. How much service can it sustain? How many hotels are there? What is the infrastructure?

Continental and Delta will now slug it out and what might have been a good market for one airline becomes a moderate market for two airlines.

There's money to be made elsewhere. AA doesn't need Raotan.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8163 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 21):
There's money to be made elsewhere. AA doesn't need Raotan.

Regardless, they are coming. I've seen the tentative schedules. They haven't set a date; Miami will launch first, 3x a week, then, pending success, Dallas, weekly. Or, pending a likely locally produced incentive package, they will launch together. They are working the kinks out, but they will be flying their 738s to Roatan in the near future. Roatan, like Liberia and Flores, is a tourist market that is heavily concentrated on US-orginating traffic. AA is much more cautious than others in this market, so they take a wait-and-see approach, like they did with Liberia. It is a lot riskier than entering other markets, like Medellin or Maracaibo, as they can't rely as much on heavy local traffic demand from Miami. If AA was the leader and went into Flores, instead of Continental, they would be the ones experincing weak loads (though I believe CO's Flores service is subsidized).

[Edited 2005-09-05 05:22:52]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24635 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8127 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Regardless, they are coming. I've seen the tentative schedules.

And there - in a nutshell - is one of the great problems of the US legacy carriers.

Everyone thinks they have to fly everywhere. The old Rono Dutta theory in full force.

If there is doubt that Raotan can support Delta on a daily basis, how is it going to support Continental and American as well?

The same thing will happen with the beach resorts of northern Brazil when American does go there. Fortaleza, Recife and Natal are ignored now, but when AA eventually flies there, as they've said, they'll all be in.

It is happening with the Mexican resorts this coming season - yields being trashed left, right and center. And at least Mexico has the restraints of the bilateral's two carriers.

Have fun, guys.  Smile

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8115 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 23):

If there is doubt that Raotan can support Delta on a daily basis, how is it going to support Continental and American as well?

CO isn't daily, and AA isn't planning to be daily. I feel Delta will right-size the market after a while to 3-4w, unless I'm wrong and the daily service works, which I just don't see happening.

The market can easily support all three carriers, I don't really think that will be a problem (plus TACA has been flying MIA/IAH-RTB for years).

The doubt with Delta supporting daily service is the fact that so much of the traffic to the island is on tour packages, which last, for the most part, Saturday-Saturday; Sunday-Sunday; and Saturday-Wednesday. There is very little traffic leaving the island on MoTuThFr to the US.



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25 Post contains images Mariner : There is also a limit to the infrastructure that the island can support. Happily, they have good rainfall, but when I was there about three years ago
26 DeltaMIA : Running into this problem with STX. The Wed flight, which is the one with F class, is performing poorly. The Sat. flight is doing ok, but STX just is
27 IberiaA319 : Wow, next year DL will serve almost every international airport in Central America. Is there any chance for Tegucigalpa? (probably not, as most of th
28 DAL767400ER : Looking at all the Caribbean/Lat Am destinations DL is starting left and right, it would actually suprise me more if TGU didn't have a chance. As a s
29 MAH4546 : It has the highest yields of thier Central American route network. ATL-TGU definitley has a chance. Though there is very little TGU-USA traffic with
30 DENplanenut : Does anyone know what the schedule will be like for ATL-SAP? I've flown to SAP from DEN in the last few years and everytime I had to spend the night i
31 MAH4546 : It leaves Atlanta in the evening, overnights in San Pedro Sula, goes back to Atlanta in the morning. AA is now double daily to SAP, though, so you ca
32 DENplanenut : Thanks for the info MAH4546... that's is great news!! Future trips DEN-SAP will be definitely be more enjoyable. DEN
33 IberiaA319 : Question for you Mark (MAH4546) You know that last year IB closed its hub at MIA. Did this have any effect on the AA's flights that operate to former
34 Juventus : Did they apply with the DOT for these routes? How does that work since airlines usually apply for Mexican routes?
35 MAH4546 : Both AA and TA increased frequency and capacity after IB left. MGA is one of AA's better performing stations in the region. Airlines get broad author
36 DeltaMIA : Looks like RTB is going to change to Saturday only and SAP will be daily instead.
37 2travel2know : Now this really makes more sense. Maybe later on, RTB could support a flight on Sunday too.
38 Post contains links MGA : http://today.reuters.com/business/ne...20photo.%20REUTERS/Larry%20Downing To much! jajajaj. Just Coppied and pasted. Feels so good! New plane for TA a
39 Post contains images Komododx : I think AA is lagging behind on the RTB route. We have a house on West End and everytime we go there for diving (mostly on TA via SAP) it is FULL of d
40 Aer : Just curious, why do you think so?
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