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User currently offlineWnfan333 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Just wondering if anyone had any info on any possible new routes, cities etc. in the upcoming months after the merge?

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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

In the months following the merger, expect to see a pullback and reduction of unprofitable routes. Since 60 aircraft are being returned, they will be focused on trying to right-size the airline rather than spending additional capital to launch service into new markets.


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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

Agreed. I don't expect we will see new service launches until probably next summer.

User currently offlineWnfan333 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Wow 60 A/C...Are those going to be US or America West aircraft. Also what about the firm orders these two have. Will those be fulfilled or not?

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

Mostly US I think. Older 737's...

Firm orders to Airbus should be fulfillable...


User currently offlineJaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6140 times:
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"they've" said that the merged carrier will be operating under 2 certificates for 2 to 3 years - which means that HP crews have to operate HP aircraft - and US crews have to operate US aircraft. My guess is that they're going to right-size the map first .. cut some routes .. prehaps cut frequencies in some markets .. adjusting to the cut in fleet size. Then once they are operating only under one certificate (US) - that's probably when you'll see more connecting of the dots .. just my thoughts.

User currently offlineWnfan333 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

I hope to see more routes out of MCO. I know it will probaly take a while though.

User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6096 times:
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Look for PHX - LGW. But even that may be a year or so off.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Yeah nothing has been said about new routes. It will probably take a while to start anything new. There may be some adjustments done to exisiting cities.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

There will likely be some new routes, but they would be replacing other routes that will be disappearing. It's all about profit....we could also see some new routes open up at the expense of flight frequency from other locations.

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Brokenrecord just wants US to retake gates A7 and A9 at ORF, and start some routes to compete with WN (i.e., LAS, FLL).  Smile

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

I don't know about that, at least not in the near future. ORF is just too close to CLT and especially the focus station at DCA to justify mainline flights to PHX or LAS. I'm seeing mainly a lot of feeder regional service to CLT and DCA and possibly a couple to PIT or BOS. In other words, not much difference. But we'll see.

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

I know it's a pipe-dream...

Mainline to BOS would be nice...


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Look for PVD-PHX rather soon into the merger. PVD-LAS should come later on...

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 11):
I don't know about that, at least not in the near future. ORF is just too close to CLT and especially the focus station at DCA to justify mainline flights to PHX or LAS. I'm seeing mainly a lot of feeder regional service to CLT and DCA and possibly a couple to PIT or BOS. In other words, not much difference. But we'll see.

Its very possible, since ORF will be an Air Wisconsin Crew Base and Maintenance Facility. I look for this to be a significant focus operation for USAirways express. To what degree is anyones guess.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting Wnfan333 (Reply 6):
I hope to see more routes out of MCO



Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 10):
Brokenrecord just wants US to retake gates A7 and A9 at ORF, and start some routes to compete with WN (i.e., LAS, FLL). Smile

You people really want US to jump into extremely low-profit, highly served, never-gonna-make-a-buck routes, don't you? LAS, FLL, MCO are NOT routes to start if you want to make money... because the competition is extremely fierce already.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

I think you'll see some isolated service increases in the initial consolidation, but only if US identifies any underserved markets. Might see some smaller cities in the West connected to an East Coast hub (e.g. FAT, BFL), but any large-scale expansions will likely come after the fleet rationalization is completed.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 13):
Look for PVD-PHX rather soon into the merger. PVD-LAS should come later on...

Hmmm, tough call. PVD-LAS offers better O&D potential, but PVD-PHX would offer better connections to Mexican destinations. Connections to other west coast cities about the same. BUT WN already flies PVD-PHX non-stop. If they launch new PVD service in winter, then I'd say do PHX first for the Mexico connectivity, otherwise I'd go with LAS first - beat WN to the punch, and why get into a direct fight with WN until you have to?


User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

hopefully america west express will begin here in amarillo, i have been waiting for an airline OTHER THAN SOUTHWEST to have nonstop to vegas

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Amarillo would seem to be a logical choice, at least for CR2 if not CR9 service.

User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

I know it's not going to happen, but America West already flies BIL-PHX and LAS. I think it would be nice to have some commuter service back east to the US hubs since it will all be US eventually anyway. Just a dream.

User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

I have a flight to Phoenix from MIA in two weeks on HP, Do you think the flight will be affected in some way?


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 7):
Look for PHX - LGW

Why would they want to do that?

What does the new airline gain from this route that cannot already be accomplished through existing flights to existing hubs, and by existing airlines to the primary connecting market from Phoenix: Southern California.

The only thing definite is service to Hawai'i. And even still, I can see this as of primary benefit to satisfy the frequent flyers.....Hawai'i being the number one destination requested on award tickets.

An odd Caribbean destination may pop up here and there....but other than that, US Airways/America West needs to rationalize the network, not make it more byzantine with a myriad of added P2P routes, and redundant hub connectivity to secondary and tertiary markets.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
You people really want US to jump into extremely low-profit, highly served, never-gonna-make-a-buck routes, don't you? LAS, FLL, MCO are NOT routes to start if you want to make money... because the competition is extremely fierce already.

Yep.

60 aircraft gone doesn't bode well for expansion.

I would say service cuts are going to be wide-spread. If anything, the aircraft remaining will be used to bolster existing city-pairs...like PHX-SoCal, NE-Florida, and major business centers to the big 3 hubs etc. (PHX/PHL/CLT)

Any expansion to come will most likely come at the hands of their Express partners. It's called shifting the burden of risk to someone else.

If anything, the new combined carrier needs to address the unanswered forays of Southwest into the most-profitable territories of both airlines.
Expect concentrations of services, not spreading the remaining fleet even thinner.
Key markets will become stronger, marginal markets will be cut.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 20):
I have a flight to Phoenix from MIA in two weeks on HP, Do you think the flight will be affected in some way?

Affected by what? I'm sure it will operate normally.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
LAS, FLL, MCO are NOT routes to start if you want to make money

LAS from where? I see many people are not understanding that LAS is going to be a hub, not a focus city. The new airline will have four hubs, not three, and PIT will be a large enough operation to almost be hub #5. Either way, LAS is going to remain a stronghold for the airline as it is now.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

LAS has to be your biggest focus either way being the #1 O/D per capita airport in the country. But given that its so heavy on O/D can you really call it a hub versus focus city? How does connecting traffic in percentage of total seats compare to that of PHX, CLT and PHL?


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

HP connects at least 30% of its flights through LAS as opposed to PHX. I have routed through LAS to get to the east coast and back just as often as PHX.

25 Post contains images Indy : Connecting in LAS can't be bad. Hop off the plane and play some slots until its time to catch the connecting flight. Probably the only time you wouldn
26 HPRamper : I was there for eight hours last week. Played some slots in the terminal, took a jaunt out on the strip and was back in time to get on my plane to PDX
27 Ejmmsu : If there is any initial expansion at all, it would most definately be express routes on mid-american cities that are currently only served by one or t
28 PVD757 : The problem is the yields to LAS are much lower than PHX from PVD. PHX is PVD's 7th largest O & D market while LAS is 11th. PHX is a little closer th
29 Deltaflyertoo : Stirling: A PHX-LGW proposition makes a lot of sense. No US carrier flies it and it would compliment the PHL service already. Just a side note, and I'
30 Bongo : What is the actual fleet of US Airways? not counting HP fleet
31 BOSPMV : you really think there is enough demand to warrant 3 daily flights? 2 737 and one 757? When you consider that HP sends not 757s to either BOS, BDL, J
32 Jmc1975 : The PHX-PVD O&D average RASM is only 6.78 cents, clearly insufficient to meet the HP/US business plan to justify nonstop service. To break it down fur
33 PVD757 : Who said it would be a HP 757? And yes, the demand is there. especially since PHX is a huge hub. Is there is enough demand for 5 daily CLT flights -
34 BOSPMV : here...... Some people think that third daily flight to PHX and also a daily flight to LAS makes sense, which I believe will only hurt things, as I w
35 Jmc1975 : I agree completely. A HP/US PHX-PVD flight would flood the market and drive yields down even further. As far as flights of similar stage length, you
36 Georgiabill : Once again PVD757 has over stated the importance of Providence!! A logical(since not served )would be a MHT-PHX route! Taking passengers from north of
37 PVD757 : OK Georgiabill, whatever. I know the PVD market better than any other air service market, so I therefore put my efforts into discussing what I feel m
38 Flyboy7974 : sidenote, correction, hp is flying the 757 currently to ewr, late afternoon flight from vegas, early morning back westbound, in the schedule til the o
39 RL757PVD : Seems like you are criticizing a so called biased person while being biased yourself! Just because an airlines doesnt fly the route, doesnt make it "
40 BOSPMV : I am willing to be that there are more people in norfolh county than in essex county, Norfolk is much closer to PVD. So if you want to say that, then
41 Post contains links AirRyan : Here's a combined US Airways and America West route map... http://www.americawest.com/common/resources/_downloads/combo_map.pdf
42 Ssides : Wouldn't this force BA to switch its PHX service from LHR to LGW? Not that it would stop HP, but ...
43 HPRamper : The map leaves off the Big Sky routes in Montana and Idaho...I wonder if they are dropping that codeshare?
44 JoFMO : Yeah, BA would have to move its flight to GTW if a 2nd carrier starts the route to London. PHX is not a designated point for LHR traffic.
45 HZ747300 : Yes, and I think that works to HP/US's advantage. However, we would need to know how many passengers connect from BA's LHR to the rest of Europe. If
46 JoFMO : I heard at the time PHX was started by LH that Phoenix has some dot.com companies. After the bubble bursted the flight was still full with tourists, b
47 Lono : What about plans for ANC...???? ANC is a goldmine if they do it right....
48 HZ747300 : It's about 20-30 miles outside of Phoenix in a small community called Maricopa.
49 Gigneil : HP already serves ANC from PHX. N[Edited 2005-09-08 04:51:06]
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